discussion Do you support hijabs?

[mercurialworld]

Uh yes I do. I support freedom of choice. It doesn't hurt me at all

[Robert]

I support women’s right to wear what they want. If a woman wants to wear a hijab then she should but if she doesn’t want to then she shouldn’t have to.

[Chromatica]

It's just another piece of clothing, some fabric over the head, who cares  

[Scars]

Some of the western savior takes here. 

 

I'm an atheist gay man, I'm sure hijabi muslim women are not seeking validation from me and they don't need it anyway.

 

I support the rights of women to choose to wear it or not. Many hijabi women do look great wearing it btw. 

[rihannabiggestfan]

42 minutes ago, Robert said:

I support women’s right to wear what they want. If a woman wants to wear a hijab then she should but if she doesn’t want to then she shouldn’t have to.

This. Men too, I would add.  it should truly be a CHOICE for all, no one should have to.

[BOOMBAYAH]

If someone is wearing one because they choose too (really choose to, and not pushed to) then I don’t understand why it would be an issue. But in terms of forcing people to wear it, then no I don’t support that, but you could say that for any article of clothing.

[ClashAndBurn]

Would you ask this about Mitt Romney's magical Mormon underwear?

 

For the record though, I don't support forced wearing of any oppressive garment. If a Muslim woman wants to wear it and it is her choice though, then it's none of my or anyone else's business.

[ZIVERT]

I support a woman's right to wear or not wear it as she pleases. People telling them that it's wrong and anti-ethical are just as bad as the societal/familial pressure some women feel to wear it.

[Protocol]

It's oppressive as what's happening in Iran shows

 

Your hair is a natural beautiful part of your body, no reason to be forced to cover it up

[Buddy]

3 hours ago, Bloodflowers. said:

Yes and no

 

Yes because of freedom of choice, no because personally I don't support sexist ideology behind it, and I oppose religion ideology in general

 

 

This 

[HANZ94]

NO

it literally represents the oppression  of men over women 

there is literally a sexist ideology behind it

[The Next Day]

I have a problem with religious symbols in public institutions. There shouldn't be crosses, hijabs etc. in classrooms or courts for example. Religion and state shouldn't cross over in such ways. Everywhere else Idc, it's not up to me to decide for women what they wear as an individual.

[A.R.L]

No. I don’t blame the old generation 60+ yo for wearing it tho, but there is no excuse for the newer generation.

 

Hijab is never an option. Because if not forced verbally and physically by a male family member (in the worst scenario case), there is a clear social influence and faith that make these women believe that wearing hijab gives them more decency, more respect, a greater chance of marriage and that revealing hair is obscene and will attract men’s attention, as if men cannot have attractive hair. 

 

It’s a shame when I see little girls under the age of 10 wearing the hijab. I mean… 
 

I think the reasons why some countries  oppose it, are for the same reasons mentioned above, and gender inequality in that situation in which men and women aren’t treated equally in the way they dress.
 

I’m sure that if hijab was only mandatory for prayer, it would never be a problem for those countries, but when it affects social life, then it becomes intolerant.

 

Let’s not even talk about the burqa. That’s a complete obliteration of FEMALE identity. 

Edited September 29, 2022 by A.R.L

[Cruel Summer]

I support women freely and openly wearing whatever they please. This is, of course, a difficult subject when it comes to the forces and history behind nearly all organized religions and the reasons behind some garments existing. All the more reason that no entity should make this decision for any woman - only herself.

[Negev]

Everyone should be allowed to wear whatever they want out of choice. If a woman chooses to wear a headscarf she should be able to. 

[Gottasadae]

I support freedom and it women's right and choice to wear it or not 

[Weld_E]

No.

 

The amount of women who have the complete freedom of choice to wear it are a minority. Even if not forced by law, societal, cultural, and family pressure heavily influence one’s decision to wear it or not. Girls are basically told from a young age that not wearing a hijab would deem them as less pure, and would make people see them as such, so is it really a free choice they make? A free choice would be presenting hijabi and non-hijabi women as equal in all regards and will have them be treated equally by society.

 

Also let’s take a step back and wonder WHY anyone would choose to wear it. The answer is to appear ‘modest’, but modest from who? The male gaze? It essentially perpetuates purity culture and harps on victim blaming as a woman who doesn’t cover is not considered ‘modest’ and is thus subject to harassment. Hijab also creates a division between  ‘modest’ women and ‘non-modest’ women, with the latter being deemed as less than and  ‘loose’.

 

Lastly, the REAL reason Hijab was implemented in Islam was to separate the sex slaves from the free women, who would wear a hijab as a symbol of status, not for the purity reasons being shared today…

 

OT: I hate that this is the conversation that is being had in the West as a response to what’s happening in Iran. Western muslims are infiltrating the Iranian women’s movement and combining the unbalanced struggles of a minority of Muslims in the West who can’t wear a hijab (in very specific situations), to the majority of Muslim women in the Middle East who are forced to wear it. Western Muslims have never faced the same level of threat for wearing the Hijab in the West as Iranian women face for not wearing it. To compare the struggles of both groups and combine them as one is dis genuine and does a disservice to the Iranian women who are risking their lives for their freedom of choice.

Edited September 29, 2022 by Weld_E

[Embustera]

8 hours ago, pierreleswiftie said:

These are laws about my own country plus if people come to visit/live in France they should live with the way our traditions and culture are. The majority of countries with death penalty for LGBTQ people are islamic countries so maybe worry about that instead ?

Your country is responsible for the genocide of the Algerian people. Worry about that you ******* hypocrite. Your country is responsible for the killing of millions of people all over the world. People who lived in a French colony have every right to live in France. **** the laws of France. 

[Embustera]

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Edited September 29, 2022 by Embustera

[Delirious]

8 hours ago, Cameltoe Chariot said:

It's complicated.

 

I support someone's right to choose to wear a hijab, just as I support someone's right to choose and practice a faith.

 

But I also think religion is complete bullshit, and a dangerous tool to use against people - especially in poorer and less educated areas. I also think any rule or expectation put on women, like wearing a hijab under the guise of piousness, is such a slippery slope and we see it time and time again be used to control and abuse women... like in Iran right as I type this.

 

As a gay man, it's also difficult to defend and justify the practices of a religion that regularly executes other gay men by public hanging or beheading in some countries under its rule.

 

In a perfect world everyone minds their own business and has the right to express themselves and their faith without judgement or harm. But I'm beginning to think that world doesn't exist. It's sad how much pain and suffering happens in our world based on an alleged afterlife or god.

Perioddddd

[Delirious]

6 hours ago, Chromatica said:

It's just another piece of clothing, some fabric over the head, who cares  

And women in iran are literally protesting and dying for it. What a silly take

[Embustera]

https://amp.france24.com/en/live-news/20201022-two-french-women-charged-over-racist-stabbing-of-veiled-muslim-women
 

[Communion]

12 minutes ago, Delirious said:

And women in iran are literally protesting and dying for it. What a silly take

I mean, how do you reconcile this logic with the pro-hijab protests held by women in parts of India this year? Where do your anti-Islam (and thus anti-hijab) views sit with the reality of women in parts of the world protesting for the right to wear it, which you believe is evidence of importance?

Edited September 29, 2022 by Communion

[Delirious]

8 minutes ago, Communion said:

I mean, how do you reconcile this logic with the pro-hijab protests held by women in parts of India this year? Where do your anti-Islam (and thus anti-hijab) views sit with the reality of women in parts of the world protesting for the right to wear it, which you believe is evidence of importance?

Like i said, it should be anyones choice on what they want to wear. They shouldnt be forced to not wear it or wear it.

 

I personally however do not support hijabs in anyways shape or form but thats just my opinion.

[Delirious]

18 minutes ago, Embustera said:

https://amp.france24.com/en/live-news/20201022-two-french-women-charged-over-racist-stabbing-of-veiled-muslim-women
 

This doesnt mean anything. Two crazy freaks do no represent the entirety of a country. What they did was terrible but like i said, doesnt have to do anything with this conversation.