base talk US: Chromatica Debuted With 213K+ Units Without Tour Bundles, Ariana, and Blackpink

[Cryptique]

2 minutes ago, TaggedGalaxy said:

We all know K-pop stans mobilize to buy and stream anything their favs do. Keep coming up with excuses 

YES for the collab.. but that won't make them buy the album 

[Squall]

Just now, Cryptique said:

Joanne had almost 0 hype outside the base leading to the release but did 205k 

And what about it? Not the same release and you tend to forget SL's flop happened after ASIB and her winning the GP back (SB, Oscars, etc.).

 

1 minute ago, Pop Art said:

Then how, pray tell, would you go about factually calculating where it would have debuted, without using anything made up or biased? Quickly.

You... can't? That's the point  

[Gagacharts]

2 minutes ago, Pop Art said:

Then how, pray tell, would you go about factually calculating where it would have debuted, without using anything made up or biased? Quickly.

It´s funny how Monsters often come up with scientific facts or calculations and than OGHs come in and scream about it without bringing any source in the discussion.

[Pop Art]

1 minute ago, TaggedGalaxy said:

We all know K-pop stans mobilize to buy and stream anything their favs do. Keep coming up with excuses 

Interesting how they didn't seem to "mobilize to buy and stream" Dua Lipa (The Complete Edition) enough to get it into the Top 40 on the Billboard 200 when it came out, and yet somehow they're the ones who bought this leading to its #1 debut. Are you sure it's us who are coming up with the excuses?

[Cryptique]

1 minute ago, Squall said:

And what about it? Not the same release and you tend to forget SL's flop happened after ASIB and her winning the GP back (SB, Oscars, etc.).

SL Bombed, agreed

 

But that doesnt change the fact that GAGA can open BIG just by her name alone.. 

[Queenyoncee]

The album was an underperformance, move on 

[Steve Johnson]

It actually debuted with 847k but billboard reported it wrong for some reason. 

Source: OP 

 

[Pop Art]

3 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

Its cute how you ignored all the merch bundles that grossly inflated the album too. 

It's cuter how you ignored that I did mentioned them:

38 minutes ago, Pop Art said:

Q: What about merch bundles?
A: Unless you work for Billboard, there's literally no way to know for sure how many of any album's sales came from merch bundles since they don't reveal such breakdowns. Because of this, there's not much room for that point in this conversation where we do have hard numbers to work with for other points.

 

[Squall]

1 minute ago, Cryptique said:

SL Bombed, agreed

 

But that doesnt change the fact that GAGA can open BIG just by her name alone.. 

SL turned off a lot of people despite the hype she had, who knows what would have happened without ROM's success right after? It necessarily helped to keep interest in her album  

Edited September 27, 2022 by Squall

[Planet Mars]

5 minutes ago, Cryptique said:

At least Chromatica served better longevity outside US 

Is this thread not about the US? Where said album debuted with 100k+ and has managed better longevity?

 

So I guess it's a new narrative?

 

OT: The album flopped and was a critical underperformance as well.

[Virtual_Insanity]

1 minute ago, Pop Art said:

It's cuter how you ignored that I did mentioned them:

Prob around 50k. Not to mention all the albums that were never delivered. 174k is probably closer to thr truth. 

[Cryptique]

Also @Pop Art sis, this is a USELESS Thread.. sorry hun

 

already discussed last 2020.. OGHs turned a blind eye on this and they always will even if BB/Nielsen themselves breakdown the data.. 

 

I mean, they pulled some insane mental gymnastics to call Chromatica Ball a FLOP/Disaster in that harmless CB Gross Thread 

[Pop Art]

4 minutes ago, Squall said:

You... can't? That's the point  

Well that we can agree on, I think this whole discussion is asinine, but clearly many people think Chromatica is nothing without x, y, and z and love to pretend it moved close to 0 units without them — my whole point here is to try and quantify that such logic is incorrect the best that factually can be done. There is no perfect method here.

[Pop Art]

1 minute ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

Prob around 50k. Not to mention all the albums that were never delivered. 174k is probably closer to thr truth. 

And since there's no way to actually know that, your statement has just as much chance of being true as me claiming, say, that Katy Perry's next album will chart for more than a month and lead to a sold out global all-stadium tour.

[Cryptique]

2 minutes ago, Squall said:

SL turned off a lot of people despite the hype she had, who knows what would have happened without ROM's success right after? It necessarily helped to keep interest in her album  

Perfect Illusion also turned off a lot of casual listeners and fans .. ROM surely helped streaming wise but 95% of the album sales are Gaga's name alone.. are you saying Arianators and Blackpinks stans bought the album because of the collabs?? 

[fentypark]

24 minutes ago, Gagacharts said:

In the end it´s a  #1 album that sold more than 1.0M units in the US with a #1 and a #5 single. These are good stats for a 6th studio album.

no they aren’t 

 

TTT: 3x Platinum 

Lemonade: 3x Platinum 

Reputation: 3x Platinum 

Edited September 27, 2022 by fentypark

[Squall]

13 minutes ago, Pop Art said:

Well that we can agree on, I think this whole discussion is asinine, but clearly many people think Chromatica is nothing without x, y, and z and love to pretend it moved close to 0 units without them — my whole point here is to try and quantify that such logic is incorrect the best that factually can be done. There is no perfect method here.

Or maybe ROM being a hit also helped with the GP?  

[period sis]

lmao

[unison stan]

58 minutes ago, Sept said:

So you are saying that 25% of the sales came from tour bundles, Ariana and BP? 

%6-7 is coming from a smash hit and a hit album track??? LOL they carried chromatica 

[Hot Volcano]

32 minutes ago, Squall said:

Or maybe ROM being a hit also helped with the GP?  

ROM was the current official single, of course it was the engine of the album since.....thats the purpose of a single.

 

You guys acting as if Free Woman was the 2nd single and ROM, an album track contributed to album's overall units the most. Now, in that case ur argument would make some sense, but now all of u haters are saying

 

"THE CURRENT OFFICIAL SINGLE RELEASED A WEEK BEFORE THE ALBUM CONTRIBUTED THE MOST TO THE ALBUM'S OPENING WEEK UNITS!!"

 

[Squall]

1 minute ago, Hot Volcano said:

ROM was the current official single, of course it was the engine of the album since.....thats the purpose of a single.

 

You guys acting as if Free Woman was the 2nd single and ROM, an album track contributed to album's overall units the most. Now, in that case ur argument would make some sense, but now all of u haters are saying

 

"THE CURRENT OFFICIAL SINGLE RELEASED A WEEK BEFORE THE ALBUM CONTRIBUTED THE MOST TO THE ALBUM'S OPENING WEEK UNITS!!"

 

That was literally my point?

[Gagacharts]

57 minutes ago, fentypark said:

no they aren’t 

 

TTT: 3x Platinum 

Lemonade: 3x Platinum 

Reputation: 3x Platinum 

You can´t compare album sales/units from 2016 to 2020.

If we look at albums from this decade, only a few scanned 2x Platinum in the US (Taylor being the exception). Even the biggest era this decade is only 1x Platinum (Future Nostalgia) certified.

[KillingYourCareer]

There... was no need for this research the album was successful regardless and she can buy her US Platinum certification whenever she feels like it

[Hot Volcano]

27 minutes ago, Squall said:

That was literally my point?

But how is that a drag?

 

A song that was planned to carry the album......carried the album ?!

 

[KillingYourCareer]

7 minutes ago, Gagacharts said:

You can´t compare album sales/units from 2016 to 2020.

If we look at albums from this decade, only a few scanned 2x Platinum in the US (Taylor being the exception). Even the biggest era this decade is only 1x Platinum (Future Nostalgia) certified.

FuTTHure NosTTHalgia crossed the 2.5 million mark months ago. That's counting both re-releases!