base talk What would Ariana's legacy be, if she retired today?

[Wolf Alice]

She really is a product of her time except for a few songs here and there. Her musical legacy will depend on what she does next and wicked might be the step in the right direction. But otherwise yes, what everyone else here has said.

[Bey_Rihstan]

26 minutes ago, Century said:

 Legend status comes from somebody's commercial or cultural or critical peak. Ariana Grande DOMINATED the mid-late 10s. Her look and sound will live on as a cultural reference point for decades to come.

 

Above all else, Legendary status comes from Influence. Whether that be musical or visual. at this moment, Ariana has no classic or overwhelmingly influential album. The closest she has are TUN & DW as cult classics. There simply hasn't been enough time to truly gauge the impact of her discography. Her sound is not even her sound, so i'm not sure why that would be attributed to her. 

 

& as much as I love her, She hardly DOMINATED until 2019-2021, & Even then there were still girls like Olivia, Taylor & Billie RIGHT there with her. Where was this dominance from 2013-2018? It's non existent. I'm not sure what this revisionist history is about. 

 

Ariana's only cemented impact thus far is her style & appearance. She has an iconic look that will very likely be referenced in the future. Not enough time has passed to know if her albums and time will live on. As of now, She's a massive artist that would be regarded as a big artist of her time.  We need to wait and see how she influences the next batch of pop girls. Taylor is JUST now getting clones and musical daughters and she's been out for much longer than Ariana. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Bey_Rihstan

[Sheep]

35 minutes ago, Bey_Rihstan said:

Above all else, Legendary status comes from Influence.

This might be how you define it, but there's no set standards for being a music legend, and there are people who are entirely derivative of those who came before them and still are widely considered legendary. It's not just about one thing. My point still stands that legendary status comes from peaks more often than it does longevity and Ariana had a hell of a peak.

39 minutes ago, Bey_Rihstan said:

Even then there were still girls like Olivia, Taylor & Billie RIGHT there with her. Where was this dominance from 2013-2018? It's non existent. I'm not sure what this revisionist history is about. 

Take a look at the single stats and get back to me. Ariana has 5 songs with over 20m SPS, Taylor has 2. The dominance would be 4 of those 5 songs all being released in that time period(with the 5th being in January of 2019) along with the 3 huge eras and successful arena tours backing them up.

 

45 minutes ago, Bey_Rihstan said:

Ariana's only cemented impact thus far is her style & appearance. She has an iconic look that will very likely be referenced in the future.

What I'll agree with you on though is that her look is even bigger than her enormous musical career, like the all time greats(Michael, Madonna, Elton, Mariah, etc, etc) she has such a specific and iconic look that it will outlive all of us and maybe even her hits.  

[monstereo]

Ponytail girl with bops who can't enunciate and is looking more and mor eplastic

[suburbannature]

5 hours ago, liver said:

being the best vocalist of her generation is her legacy

 

just like no one really remembers mariah's huge hits apart from aiwfciy but her voice is her legacy 

Not even you believe this

[magazine]

the talent, the beauty, the great music

 

ugh, I can stand her 

[Bubble Tea]

1 hour ago, Bey_Rihstan said:

Taylor is JUST now getting clones and musical daughters and she's been out for much longer than Ariana. 

Who do you reckon are the Taylor clones? I genuinely wouldn't know. There's plenty of Lorde / Lana clones. Do you reckon Olivia is a mini-Taylor? I guess that would be the closest comparison musically.

[Headlock]

5 hours ago, XAMJ said:

cindy lauper type influence 

 

5 hours ago, Rev8 said:

Cindy wishes

 

one of the biggest acts for the 10s

part of the best streamers (at least in the beginning of that era)

and being really iconic aesthetic-wise (which gave birth to a lot of ppl emulating her)

Girl who is Cindy

 

[Headlock]

2 hours ago, Century said:

There are "legends" who got that status with much less than Ariana has PLUS time.

 

1 hour ago, Century said:

and there are people who are entirely derivative of those who came before them and still are widely considered legendary.

I’m genuinely curious for you to provide examples for both of these 

[Roman Holiday]

She’s building it still. Idk why act like she’s pushing 40. You guys see women defying ageism in the industry constantly but for some reason don’t extend that grace to Ari because I see this narrative that she’s over now that’s she’s 30

Edited September 16, 2022 by Roman Holiday

[Roman Holiday]

5 hours ago, 808s said:

Yeah, we love the vocals on 7 rings.

Most people don't even know she is a vocalist.

This is pure nonsense  

 

 

Yall just say anything

[TROJAN]

It’s too early for her to have a legacy

[Sheep]

51 minutes ago, Headlock said:

 

I’m genuinely curious for you to provide examples for both of these 

Legend is thrown around for people who had single hit albums. Legend is thrown around for a lot of ATRLs favs who are all in some combination, products of Madonna and Janet, etc

[popmusicisdead]

pioneer of transracialism 

[God_Donna]

I guess not much 

[babyforlife]

As much as I love Ariana I think the closest legacy she can pass through is the oversized sweater or ponytail for young generation… 

[Communion]

6 hours ago, Nexto said:

This tweet

 

The way she lowkey ate that whole part and it made the whole song a 10/10

 

 

[Soda Pop Queen]

I guess being the streaming age queen and being the first real pop star from the Nickelodeon channel.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Soda Pop Queen

[Soda Pop Queen]

2 hours ago, TROJAN said:

It’s too early for her to have a legacy

'tis true tbh.

[ReH2o]

Nickelodeon queen

[Headlock]

6 hours ago, Century said:

Legend is thrown around for people who had single hit albums. Legend is thrown around for a lot of ATRLs favs who are all in some combination, products of Madonna and Janet, etc

First of all, these aren’t examples of specific artists. Secondly, the term legend being “thrown around” is not the same thing as what you said: people who are “widely considered legendary” 

One implies consensus, the other doesn’t.

 

Just saying, since you used these arguments of who are considered legends to justify your own for Ari, it’s interesting you are hesitant to answer any specifics 

[Body Talk]

She'll always have a legacy as a vocalist thriving in an era when they were pretty much wiped out.

[Body Talk]

Also kind of in disbelief of the people in her downplaying her career. She's by miles the biggest artist to debut since 2010 and has served consistency through her six albums. She's got an insane amount of celebrity, a super identifiable brand, and a great reputation as a performer. Even if she were to retire today she's go down as one of the best pop stars to exist... ever. Already she eclipsed Selena, Miley and Demi despite debuting after them...

[Khal]

Her commercial stats- streaming #s, hits, etc.

 

Artistically? Nothing. 

[hungrymuffin]

honestly cant think of anything musically