littlebodybigheart Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Ms. Togekiss said: Girl there’s a difference between cleverly crafted camp songs like say Karma (which I mostly hate just that cat line) and straight up cringe **** like half of lover and reputation. Even smash hero has that odd sexy baby line. And I don’t even want to include songs from Red and before because she was younger so she gets a pass (Stay stay stay being the first one that comes to mind). She can release fully fleshed out albums without silly songs (folkmore), or if there is one then make it at least tolerable (BB and HYGTG on 1989). im just tired of random songs that should have been CUT from the album ruining that album’s run. Puta and lover would be much better pop albums if they were like 5 tracks shorter, Midnights wouldn’t drag in the middle had she not included question, bejeweled, and vigilante ****). She’s in her mid 30s and 10 albums in, time to drop the silly, badly done campy songs imo what i’m trying to tell you is that i don’t see billie eilish fans asking her for an album with high, soaring vocals and belting, etc…that’s just not what she serves as an artist and that’s fine. taylor has had this type of song on her albums since the start of her career and we’re all at least used to it so why ask her to change now? lol. that’s just not who she is. like you said before, dua lipa does what you think works perfectly so why not just listen to her and let taylor be the artist she wants to be?
MardinBeksloy Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 This thread is alive back from the dead woahhh. The era revival is upon us
Holiest Dreams Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Chartman said: Isn‘t it amazing whenever Taylor does something, she is quickly compared to the biggest things going on at the moment, or the biggest things accomplished in music history? Taylor releases a lead single. Stays 8 weeks at #1 and breaks the first day Spotify record. Over the weeks we saw comparisons with AIW and EOM, the biggest hits of the new decade. Taylor released an album and it broke the all time Spotify daily and weekly record. From this point onwards people compared it for weeks to USVT and Sour, the biggest albums there are in the streaming world. Than there is the opening week on the Billboard 200 and people check if she can do once more a 1 Million opening. Since 2015 Taylor has been compared to Adeles opening weeks, the artist who holds record for the biggest opening week in history. Taylor announces she goes on tour. And people debate if she can break Ed Sheerans record, the ALL TIME RECORD. Or how big the tour is inflation adjusted. Taylor gets an AOTY nomination and people will debate if she can win it once again. Despite she already won 3 times and reached a historic mark. Others wish they had a single one. All this success and some people still think she could have even more success right now or doing bad desicions in her career. 17 years in the business. Amazing post Should be in even BIGGER font because everyone who’s whinging about Midnights “only” doing 16M daily streams after three months or whatever needs to see this
Ms. Togekiss Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Lemon said: Both these posts. People acting like Taylor’s goofy songs are American Pie level when they are Knives Out level of silliness actually. No offence. But she is actually that great because she doesn’t conceal both her positive nor negative sides and being dorky is authetnic to her. I mostly enjoy both her deeply self-relfection indulged songs ( This Is Me Trying ) and goofy ones ( Karma ) equally. Her camp is actually mature and done right for the most part. And real. Not being pretentious saying that, but it literally is her case. You can’t look me in the eye and tell me songs like Gorgeous and ME (among others) are “mature” camp 36 minutes ago, littlebodybigheart said: what i’m trying to tell you is that i don’t see billie eilish fans asking her for an album with high, soaring vocals and belting, etc…that’s just not what she serves as an artist and that’s fine. taylor has had this type of song on her albums since the start of her career and we’re all at least used to it so why ask her to change now? lol. that’s just not who she is. like you said before, dua lipa does what you think works perfectly so why not just listen to her and let taylor be the artist she wants to be? Because she literally can’t? Vocal range being a physical limitation is actually quite different from conscientious decisions Taylor takes about her music that she shouldn’t do she can delete songs like gorgeous, me, etc from the final track list but chooses not to
mael Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 I think all of them are nominated for AOTY, no? We just want Her to snatch SotY.
Ms. Togekiss Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Michael196 said: discussing "classy pop albums" and mentioning a playlist that aged like milk as an example, when it got/is still getting carried by the endless singles which got shoved down the gp's throat for two years straight 4 hours ago, JawBreaker said: I think it should be clear by now that Taylor will always have those childish campy songs. That's basically her brand at this point. If u cant accept that. Maybe Taylor just isnt for u I personally dont mind them I actually like most of them. I dont think I wouldve decided to stan her if I didnt like them. Cuz she has a lot of them lol. 3 hours ago, lasthauntedkiss said: 😭 3 hours ago, Starchild said: Right? The audacity No wonder people think Swifties are insecure when they get so defensive when presented with valid criticism One of the biggest gripes people have about Taylor is her immature lyrics. Now there’s a portion of the GP that will not respect her regardless of if she had those silly songs or not. But the criticism comes from a valid place. Why should an artist that is perfectly capable of crafting good songs release terrible ones? Even if she wanted to release campy stuff she can still do it right (as she has done so in the past), but she CHOOSES to release garbage sometimes. It’s interesting how nobody has countered what I said about puta and lover being much better pop albums if the bottom 5 songs on each were dropped, because it’s the truth
Extremely Stable Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 Immature lyrics? Wow be ******* for real. She would not keep me as a stan if her lyrics were immature
Extremely Stable Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Holiest Dreams said: “Midnights isn’t having great streaming stability” yet it’s literally been parked at 15.5-16M since Christmas ended I need some of you to BE serious. They have a different definition of stability
By the Water Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 Taylor has made it pretty clear that those "childish lyrics" are something she enjoys so don't expect her to give that up (which she already did for folkmore). ME!th isn't terrible because it's childish, it's terrible because it's unlistenable with few to no redeeming qualities. If someone judges her music based on the likes of WANEGBT or SIO then that's their problem. Some of you care too much about the opinions of people that have their mind set on what they think about Taylor anyway
Bonicap Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 So happy for yesterday's Midnights' streaming numbers and for the Brazil/Argentina/Chile rumour seeming to be true. I just hope she can add Mexico too!
Steve Johnson Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 I can finally die in peace now. Roger Federer using Taylor's music in one of his post on Insta. I love Roger more than anyone in this world, I'm so so happy.
4Real Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 If Taylor thinks of going to the Grammys to sing ATW then maybe she should stay at home with her cats
Starchild Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 50 minutes ago, Ms. Togekiss said: No wonder people think Swifties are insecure when they get so defensive when presented with valid criticism One of the biggest gripes people have about Taylor is her immature lyrics. Now there’s a portion of the GP that will not respect her regardless of if she had those silly songs or not. But the criticism comes from a valid place. Why should an artist that is perfectly capable of crafting good songs release terrible ones? Even if she wanted to release campy stuff she can still do it right (as she has done so in the past), but she CHOOSES to release garbage sometimes. It’s interesting how nobody has countered what I said about puta and lover being much better pop albums if the bottom 5 songs on each were dropped, because it’s the truth You guys argument is always that right? "Omg swifites!!!11" it's a tired and dumb argument especially when I've said critical stuff before like I find Lover to be trash and I always say Taylor is cringe in her music videos. My favorite genre of music is indie/rap music, so lyrics to me are the best part of the songs I hear. For example, Bright eyes is my number 1 favorite band/artist because the lead singers lyrics are just amazing. So when I talk about Taylor I'm talking in pop music and lbr who hasn't had cringey songs on their albums with pop? You can't seriously say most of her music is immature, that's just a flat out lie. She keeps those forced gel pen songs on there but she has gotten way better at making them lyrically better. You're really saying l(over) had better lyrics than karma and bejeweled? She's already proven that shes an amazing lyricist and that she knows how to make an album without "cringey" songs. this is her personality, this is who she's been for almost 20 years and it isn't changing yet so just skip the songs like I do
By the Water Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 Taylor already sang ATW at the Grammys before and they're not giving her a 10 mins set so we want AH/LH Anyway, look at LH go. #36(+7) on US spotify as well and it's finally top 100 on US itunes (that's like 5 copies but it's better for it to be charting than not)
Ms. Togekiss Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Starchild said: You guys argument is always that right? "Omg swifites!!!11" it's a tired and dumb argument especially when I've said critical stuff before like I find Lover to be trash and I always say Taylor is cringe in her music videos. My favorite genre of music is indie/rap music, so lyrics to me are the best part of the songs I hear. For example, Bright eyes is my number 1 favorite band/artist because the lead singers lyrics are just amazing. So when I talk about Taylor I'm talking in pop music and lbr who hasn't had cringey songs on their albums with pop? You can't seriously say most of her music is immature, that's just a flat out lie. She keeps those forced gel pen songs on there but she has gotten way better at making them lyrically better. You're really saying l(over) had better lyrics than karma and bejeweled? She's already proven that shes an amazing lyricist and that she knows how to make an album without "cringey" songs. this is her personality, this is who she's been for almost 20 years and it isn't changing yet so just skip the songs like I do I literally never said that so your whole rant is pointless and stupid 1 minute ago, By the Water said: Taylor already sang ATW at the Grammys before and they're not giving her a 10 mins set so we want AH/LH Anyway, look at LH go. #36(+7) on US spotify as well and it's finally top 100 on US itunes (that's like 5 copies but it's better for it to be charting than not) I wonder if it’s organic or if it’s fan fueled… it’s started going up this week magically as AH started falling on pop radio. Not sure if swifties suddenly changed to LH to compensate for AH or if it’s creating genuine interest in the GP (since radio hasn’t exploded yet). Or Maybe it’s the better playlisting it received this week
Starchild Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ms. Togekiss said: I literally never said that so your whole rant is pointless and stupid I wonder if it’s organic or if it’s fan fueled… it’s started going up this week magically as AH started falling on pop radio. Not sure if swifties suddenly changed to LH to compensate for AH or if it’s creating genuine interest in the GP (since radio hasn’t exploded yet). Or Maybe it’s the better playlisting it received this week You can't read more than 2 sentences and literally ranted and cried about swifties for no reason but now it's pointless? Sure it's called a forum, don't start arguments if you can't handle/read any feedback
Starchild Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 According to that "unbiased" user, Taylor's extremely childish and now AH is "fan driven" only? yea I'm blocking that delusion
Biggie Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 The five back-to-back kicks to the throat that Karma - Bigger Than That Guy's Hole delivers.
Holiest Dreams Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, By the Water said: If someone judges her music based on the likes of WANEGBT or SIO then that's their problem. Some of you care too much about the opinions of people that have their mind set on what they think about Taylor anyway As if Midnights doesn’t have an 85 score on Metacritic with the album placed top 10 and single placed top 3 on aggregate lists, even with Bejeweled Like I do agree that Sx3, Gorgeous and ME! suck but they are just simply bad sonically. If anything, I think she perfected this sound with Midnights’ glittery gel pen songs - Bejeweled and Paris are both great. 1 hour ago, Bonicap said: So happy for yesterday's Midnights' streaming numbers and for the Brazil/Argentina/Chile rumour seeming to be true. I just hope she can add Mexico too! Finally someone who’s happy about the numbers, as we all should be I remember myself and many others thought it would stabilize at around 10M in the new year but it’s stabilized above 15M, yet the complaints are endless
JawBreaker Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 I seriously can't wait for tour to start. Shes never coming here but I remember absolutely loving to watch those rep tour clips from fans back then. Now with tiktok and her having wayyyyyyyyy more fans we're gonna get a lot of content every night! Also the boxscore numbers and catalog boost is gonna be the cherry on top
Bonicap Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Holiest Dreams said: As if Midnights doesn’t have an 85 score on Metacritic with the album placed top 10 and single placed top 3 on aggregate lists, even with Bejeweled Like I do agree that Sx3, Gorgeous and ME! suck but they are just simply bad sonically. If anything, I think she perfected this sound with Midnights’ glittery gel pen songs - Bejeweled and Paris are both great. Finally someone who’s happy about the numbers, as we all should be I remember myself and many others thought it would stabilize at around 10M in the new year but it’s stabilized above 15M, yet the complaints are endless The goal I set in my mind was 10M daily when the Tour starts. Hopefully with the Tour it can stay stable for the whole spring/summer (although I'm aware that it's not only a Midnights Tour and that will affect the numbers).
Holiest Dreams Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) One of the most annoying thing OTHs do is conflate Taylor being quirky, fun and nice with being immature. Taylor herself said she’s never been an effortless person and never will be. This is just who she is - she likes to make unserious songs here and there, and there’s nothing immature about that. She’s not cool, she’s not edgy, she’s none of that. She’s awkward and likes cheesy stuff. Can’t believe her own fans are doing it too. Do you, like, know who you stan??? Vigilante **** is the closest thing to being immature for me, because it feels quite dead pan in its delivery yet the lyrics are very… let’s just say campy. But also she’s literally only 33 (first of all!) and sometimes people at ANY age get mad and have rash and immature “I want revenge on this person” type of thoughts. Are we suddenly gonna pretend this isn’t true? Because it is, and instead of acting unbothered and trying to come off as effortless she put those thoughts into a song even if it seems cringe or immature. It’s not her best or even close but it’s not that big of a deal. She’s more than proven she can write entire albums full of deep, nuanced and thoughtful lyrics without those “cringy” glittery gel pen lines. I won’t even try and defend the other songs like Bejeweled, Karma and Paris bc they’re very clearly unserious, in a carefree way. And I will stick with my belief that she mastered that genre this time around with the few songs we got. So there’s no point. Edited January 23, 2023 by Holiest Dreams
Holiest Dreams Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bonicap said: The goal I set in my mind was 10M daily when the Tour starts. Hopefully with the Tour it can stay stable for the whole spring/summer (although I'm aware that it's not only a Midnights Tour and that will affect the numbers). Yeah ngl I had even thought it was going to go under 10M well before tour With possible boosts before the tour (LH push, maybe SNTV) I could def see the album staying stable and then getting a boost from tour, and then going back down to the 15M~ range which would be amazing. Yeah the tour being for all eras won’t make it as focused on Midnights but I think Midnights will have the most songs, so it won’t be a big deal. If I’m not mistaken, Dawn FM has gotten a huge boost from The Weeknd’s tour despite being far from the focus of it. So I expect the same type of situation, I guess.
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