JDC Posted October 3 Posted October 3 I watched it last night and, while nobody walked out, I kept hearing people complaining every time a musical scene started, at the end everyone was like "not another, please end this movie". GaGa wasn't bad, the movie itself is too long and lacks an interesting plot that keeps you invested, this could've been a cute 2 30minutes episodes on a series or something + the marketing didn't use the world "musical" anywhere and we know how that affects GP perception. For me the main problem is that the music was demo-ish, I was expecting a big That's Entertainment moment and it never happened, half of the songs were mumbled between scenes and it was so unnecessary, they were afraid to make it a musical and ended delivering half a musical that makes it even worse. The acting was good and the cast did the best with the plot they were given.
Jude Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Okay, after getting a good sleep last night I am appreciating more the film. I don't hate the ending anymore. Spoiler The ending was actually genius and it brought us back to the cartoon intro of the film. The Joker is not really a single person, he is like a shadow that lurks behind anyone. Even if you kill the current Joker, another Joker will exist. He is the manifestation of hatred with vengeful and murderous intent caused by long term physical, emotional and mental abuse. Arthur just initiated the Joker, and once he gave up that character another person with mental issues took over that character and apparently it was the one who killed him. I think this film is very poetic.
Memoirs387 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 I didn't like this but I didn't hate it. I agree with the criticisms here of this. I feel that this whole movie takes away what the first movie represented. I didn't hate the musical numbers but they didn't add or progress this lackluster so they felt pointless and unwarranted. I did like the joker musical scene in the courtroom tho.
selfieclownt Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Saw the movie again tonight I enjoyed it a lot more on second viewing 1
ctlp27 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Finally saw it. It's a bit too long, and the courtroom scenes dragged on. I would have left the ending out of the trailer for a bigger surprise. That being said, Phoenix is way more interesting and better in this one. Gaga is more present than Twitter suggests, but she could have had more development. It's clearly still a Joker movie, not a Joker & Lee movie. The production is insane. Like, really. IMAX makes it clear that everyone gave 1000%. I wouldn't call it a musical, but more of a musical movie. From the start, the first Joker was misunderstood. It wasn't a huge success because it was great, but because it sparked conversations about certain elements within our society. You can tell Phillips and Phoenix were annoyed that many people (part of the press and some white alpha males) saw it as the opposite of what it really is. That's why they made this sequel—not to tell something new, but to highlight where people got it so wrong with the first one. Do you need to spend $150M on that? Maybe not. But how often do you see a CMB or blockbuster actually try to say something or even have a point of view, whether it's well or poorly executed? Almost never. And with that Variety article today about studios wanting to create a "council of fans" for their franchises to avoid web trolls, it might be the last time. Watching the Venom 3 trailer beforehand was a cute hors d'œuvre for it. 2
Lady Claire Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Okay, after spending last night watching videos of theories and new takes on the film, i went to see it again today. While most of my criticism from the previous page still stands and i still have issues with it, i have to say the 2nd time felt a LOT better especially because i knew what to expect and saw with a different perspective this time around. I was so frustrated during my first time that i missed a lot of things and couldn't understand others. It wasn't a good experience at all. I still feel like this whole film could've been a final act for the 1st one, on a 20-minute scene for the whole trial and the ending. And i also felt the narrative would work a lot more as a book, if that makes sense? I mean: for a movie it drags a lot because there isn't much going on, but let's say if the Joker story was a book series... this one would work so well as a second volume. It would def keep me entertained because i like this whole atmosphere on literature, but not so much on film or TV series. Idk if anyone else felt the same. There's a lot they could've done, but they didn't and i/we just have to deal with it anyways. I'll probably go for a 3rd time in a few days. People will let it bomb but i'm making sure to support it a lot bc of Gaga 1
Vin Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) 13 hours ago, stochastic said: Omg the beginning pages are a kii Was Vin vindicated? On 8/8/2022 at 10:52 PM, Vin said: Agreed. TALENTED actors like Heath Ledger and Joaquin Phoenix made an outlandish character like The Joker feel like a believable person grounded in reality. When you cast BAD ACTORS like Jared Leto and Lady Gaga, you're going to get corny, over-the-top, camp-theater-kid performances, so "FàD" will definitely be PANNED by critics, which is unfortunate for Joaquin Phoenix, but then again "JOKER" is an incel film, according to the media and ATRL, so it's not that big of a loss if the sequel is PANNED by the industry. P.S. Don't be surprised when little monsters, all of a sudden, start trashing Margot Robbie for no reason whatsoever other than the fact that she perfectly portrayed Harley Quinn first and for being a talented actor that is acclaimed and actually respected in the film industry by her peers. ...Vin On 8/11/2022 at 4:40 PM, Lady Claire said: This post will age like milk and i'll be glad to bump it in 2024 when once again OGHs will eat their words because they're WRONG. Hello, @stochastic. Don't forget: On 2/14/2023 at 9:26 PM, Vin said: Overacting as usual. Poor Joaquin. This will be PANNED. ...Vin On 8/4/2022 at 9:31 PM, Vin said: Yeah, this will definitely be critically-PANNED and won't reach the box office gross of the first film. 4 things: 1. I like Joaquin Phoenix and he should have won an Oscar for "HER," not "JOKER." 2. "JOKER" was an overhyped bore—the "folklore" of cinema. 3. I find it hypocritical that little monsters are praising this as a "win" for Gaga after little monsters (and this entire forum) called "JOKER" a "film for incels." 4. Not to state the obvious, but Gaga is a bad actor, so don't expect an acting nomination for her from The Academy for "JOKER 2." I will say that Gaga's agent is amazing, though. The way Gaga keeps booking high-profile roles with a very limited acting range is incredible— the millennial Gwyneth Paltrow. ...Vin On 4/1/2023 at 9:38 PM, Vin said: The protest scene. The stair scene. Is this sequel just going to be a rehash of the first? "FàD" is seeming reductive, according to the released photos. Then again, this is "The Hangover" director, after all. ...Vin TIME JUMP to the future, years later: Lol. Joking aside, I stated my straightforward opinions (and was punished for it [by biased Modgas, as always] ). In conclusion, Margot Robbie won, especially after spending the entire 2023 cycle getting bashed by little monsters on ATRL as being—in their words—"a bad actress" that's "box office poison," when she is nothing of the sort. @Lady Claire, you seem like a decent little monster, so, sorry you didn't enjoy the film, but at least you got some new songs, new gifs, and new film footage out of it from your fave. And remember, it could always be worse, you could be a Katy Perry stan. In defence of Gaga, the basement-dwelling incels online are trying to blame Gaga, the one woman in the film, for the bad reviews, when they really need to blame the talentless "Hangover" director. Lady Gaga may not be a good actor, but she is definitely not to blame for "FàD" being PANNED. It's 100% due to the ego of Todd Haynes and Joaquin Phoenix. So, hopefully little monsters (and the pop culture) are scalping the incels on Twitter (Incel Headquarters). Edit: Oh, and P.S. "Die with a Smile" is one of the best singles released this year. More of that, less of "Harlequin." I really thought Jazzga was dead and buried in the grave with Tony Bennett, yet here we are—still suffering. A Lady Gaga/Bruno Mars duet album would be a critical and commercial success, though. ...Vin Edited October 4 by Vin Needed to comment on the new singles, too, since I don't comment on the forum often. 1 10 1
Relampago. Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) Saw it for the first time today, the reviews are too harsh. It's perfectly fine? The musical aspect is a bit shoehorned in, but it's not awful. I was expecting pure cringe but it wasn't at all. Gaga was great. The movie actually could have used more of her for sure, especially in fleshing out her character. Joaquin was great too, honestly better than in the first movie. Overall, I'd say it was a 3.5/5. Above average for a movie, nothing mind blowing. The hate train is for sure undeserved. I'm not a LM, just a casual Gaga fan, but the hate campaign doesn't match the movie at all imo. Spoiler Margot is definitely a better Harley imo, but Gaga didn't really get a fair shot with this one imo. She should try to branch out into a goofier role tbh. She's always playing these semi-serious characters and it's starting to lack range. Yeah she's only been in 3 films but the "crazy" side of Harley didn't really show *too* much in this film. I expected her to be a little more loose, but her performance was still solid. Edited October 4 by Relampago. 1
geodancefreak Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Brilliant movie! You need balls to go for something so risky, ironic and meaningful, which would obviously not cater to the vast majority of people anyway. I'm so proud Gaga is in this! 1 1
GraceRandolph Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Did anyone like the scene where Joker kissed the guy? Honestly Gaga will always be queen of the gays.
CosTaSsSs Posted October 4 Posted October 4 I trust the GP on this! It's a movie that didn't need a sequel. 1
ctlp27 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 4 hours ago, CosTaSsSs said: I trust the GP on this! It's a movie that didn't need a sequel. No film should need a sequel. That's not the point of movies, but TV shows and miniseries. Franchises and big executive studios have killed the idea of stand-alone films with no universe or desire to connect the dots and keep moving forward. Hell, Marvel and their post-credits are the epitome of it. On J2 after sleep: I really think it will be revisited and greeted with more warmth once it goes streaming and GP realises they listened to some Twitter trolls online. I really hate to read that making a musical is a mistake. The mistake is not in the genre, but in the execution. It's not even really a musical. The courtroom really made me think of the Seinfeld series finale and how everyone hates it because it highlights how much you liked these narcissistic, egotistical, mean-spirited characters, especially if you refused to acknowledge it (still a bad episode, but gutsy). 3.5/5 (i'd like to rewatch for the production value but with 30 mn less of courtroom and Arthur smoking with the guards, that was a bore). 1
Glam Posted October 4 Posted October 4 I agree with Grace Randolph that this could have worked better as the final installment of a trilogy. Spoiler They should've given us unpredictable evil joker for this one and then the 3rd one being the one where Joker faces the concequences of his actions and is revealed that he is a fraud At least Gaga was good in it but since this will most likely be a flop (500 million at most) then this will be a stain in her acting career. Some executive might just look at this and think she's box office poison...
Raspberries Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) 37% RT audience score The legs on this are going to be atrocious Edited October 4 by Raspberries
Soup in Teapot Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Really love Todd's brave idea to invite the real world to be part of this movie! Gaga said Let's give people what they want! But look at what's happening right now when they didn't give anything? This movie is GENIUS. Definitely worth a rewatch! 1
Glam Posted October 4 Posted October 4 Spoiler In some way the movie seems to be making commentary on how we as a society want to see Arthur melting down and killing people. When he doesn't do it we are disappointed just like the Joker supporters in the movie left the courtroom or Lee tells him "all we had was the fantasy and you gave up". It's actually kind of sad tbh. Don't read if you haven't seen it.
AcidPrince Posted October 4 Posted October 4 It wasnt terrible, i enjoyed it tbh. Maybe without 3 songs this would be better.
karron0624 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 I will admit i was high when i watched the movie, but i loved it. A solid 8/10. (My sober friends hated it). And im going to say something cringe, this is a movie you need to be intelligent to get, because otherwise things will just go over your head. Like that last scene, when Joker was walking up the stairs and Harley left, my husband and i had a debate the whole ride home whether that was real Harley walking away, or whether that was a Harley in Jokers head leaving, and the real Harley was actually dead, having killed herself while watching the trial. And then watching the movie, i kept debating three things: 1. Whether the Joker and Andy were actually two separate people in one body; 2. Was all this just Andy trying to find his place and he was clinically insane; or 3. Is this supposed to give us an insight into how Joker becomes Joker. i never saw the first movie, but i will say that this movie was a good psychological thriller instead of a "anti-hero joker origin story" that i think my friends were hoping it would be. I honestly enjoyed the movie.
karron0624 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 16 minutes ago, Glam said: Hide contents In some way the movie seems to be making commentary on how we as a society want to see Arthur melting down and killing people. When he doesn't do it we are disappointed just like the Joker supporters in the movie left the courtroom or Lee tells him "all we had was the fantasy and you gave up". It's actually kind of sad tbh. Don't read if you haven't seen it. This, it is a commentary/psyop movie. People will hate it because it is not an antihero movie without taking the extra layer to dice deeper.
Glam Posted October 4 Posted October 4 (edited) 19 minutes ago, karron0624 said: I will admit i was high when i watched the movie, but i loved it. A solid 8/10. (My sober friends hated it). And im going to say something cringe, this is a movie you need to be intelligent to get, because otherwise things will just go over your head. Like that last scene, when Joker was walking up the stairs and Harley left, my husband and i had a debate the whole ride home whether that was real Harley walking away, or whether that was a Harley in Jokers head leaving, and the real Harley was actually dead, having killed herself while watching the trial. And then watching the movie, i kept debating three things: 1. Whether the Joker and Andy were actually two separate people in one body; 2. Was all this just Andy trying to find his place and he was clinically insane; or 3. Is this supposed to give us an insight into how Joker becomes Joker. i never saw the first movie, but i will say that this movie was a good psychological thriller instead of a "anti-hero joker origin story" that i think my friends were hoping it would be. I honestly enjoyed the movie. SPOILERS AHEAD I actually think it's an interesting theory that Harley wasn't even on the stairs. It's not far fetched since he imagined a lot of things that didn't happen in the first movie. Speaking of the first movie, you should watch it. It's not everyone's cup of tea but I think it's amazing. Edited October 4 by Glam 1
ctlp27 Posted October 4 Posted October 4 12 minutes ago, Glam said: SPOILERS AHEAD I actually think it's an interesting theory that Harley wasn't even on the stairs. It's not far fetched since he imagined a lot of things that didn't happen in the first movie. Speaking of the first movie, you should watch it. It's not everyone's cup of tea but I think it's amazing. I do think the same 1
EdgeofTeeth Posted October 4 Posted October 4 13 minutes ago, karron0624 said: I will admit i was high when i watched the movie, but i loved it. A solid 8/10. (My sober friends hated it). And im going to say something cringe, this is a movie you need to be intelligent to get, because otherwise things will just go over your head. i never saw the first movie, but i will say that this movie was a good psychological thriller instead of a "anti-hero joker origin story" that i think my friends were hoping it would be. This. I went in fully expecting to hate it based on the online discourse but after watching, it's clear that the backlash is a result of the film not being what the comic book stans wanted it to be. This film knows exactly what it is - a mirror that intends to tear into everyone who misunderstood the first Joker's scathing criticisms of society and its broken systems. It doubles down hard on the relationship between Arthur's trauma and his psychosis and paints a nasty, unforgiving picture of a world that failed him over and over again. 1
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