discussion Evo Morales: Dismantle NATO or force the US out of it as an alliance

[brazil]

He made a lot of points.

[ElectricFrancis]

29 minutes ago, Silvaasunto said:

Not the white people in here [with no certain clue of what this man has done to Bolivia] showing support to Evo

 

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Exactly, what the hell?  All he has done is keeping that country undeveloped as ****.
 

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Who would take the word of that man serious?  

[A Bomb]

12 minutes ago, ZIVERT said:

Russia caused the war in Ukraine by invading in 2014 and again in 2022.

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The background to ongoing crises in the Ukraine can be traced to the Soviet Union’s disintegration – from 1989 culminating in the complete collapse in late 1991. During the summer of 1990, there were crucial negotiations between US president George H. W. Bush, his Secretary of State James Baker, and Mikhail Gorbachev, the Soviet leader.

Gorbachev consented to a most unwise move: Germany would be allowed to align with the West, on the basis that NATO thereafter should not advance “one inch eastward”. Bush and Baker verbally agreed to this generous concession with “iron-clad guarantees”. Gorbachev had been naive to think that such an arrangement would hold.

In violation of their pledge, the Americans instantly expanded NATO to the eastern half of Germany, as the country was formally reunified in October 1990. Gorbachev was irate at this but, when he complained, he was informed by Washington that their previous understanding was merely a gentleman’s agreement.

 

 

I frankly do not care at the end of the day, and my only input is the US should not be giving money to Ukraine, and definitely not in the billions.

[Rainy Devil]

37 minutes ago, Silvaasunto said:

Not the white people in here [with no certain clue of what this man has done to Bolivia] showing support to Evo

 

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Así son los blancos comunistas de mierda.

Judging comfortably from their latest iphone model with no real life experience of Evo's corruption and lies.

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Rainy Devil said:

Así son los blancos comunistas de mierda.

Judging comfortably from their latest iphone model with no real life experience of Evo's corruption and lies.

 

11 minutes ago, ElectricFrancis said:

Exactly, what the hell?  All he has done is keeping that country undeveloped as ****.
 

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Who would take the word of that man serious?  

Odd how the vast majority of those in Bolivia disagree. 

 

"Well those elections are rigged anyway"

 

Isn't that exactly what Russia says about Ukraine to deny its people soverignity?

 

Odd how US and Russia defenders share the same tactical arguments and playbook.

[Rainy Devil]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

 

Odd how the vast majority of those in Bolivia disagree. 

 

"Well those elections are rigged anyway"

 

Isn't that exactly what Russia says about Ukraine to deny its people soverignity?

 

Odd how US and Russia defenders share the same tactical arguments and playbook.

Oh no! El blanquito comunista se sintió aludido. 

Que tan bien le sabe la verga de Evo?

 

Drop the whataboutism. You are not smart as you believe.

 

[A Bomb]

2 minutes ago, Rainy Devil said:

Oh no! El blanquito comunista se sintió aludido. 

Que tan bien le sabe la verga de Evo?

 

Drop the whataboutism. You are not smart as you believe.

 

 

I wonder why these people hate seeing this but try to weaponize where they were born @Communion 

 

Que asco me dan los racistas de Latinoamérica. Si creía en el infierno estaría seguro de que tú tienes un lugar ahí. 

[ToMmY]

Si la opinión de esta rata no importaba cuando era presidente ahora mucho menos.

 

Buena suerte con eso, rata.

Edited August 2, 2022 by ToMmY

[Rainy Devil]

4 minutes ago, A Bomb said:

 

I wonder why these people hate seeing this but try to weaponize where they were born @Communion 

 

Que asco me dan los racistas de Latinoamérica. Si creía en el infierno estaría seguro de que tú tienes un lugar ahí. 

Sí.

Al mismo infierno donde iremos los dos por ser maricas, pendejo. 

[Communion]

17 minutes ago, Rainy Devil said:

Oh no! El blanquito comunista se sintió aludido. 

Que tan bien le sabe la verga de Evo?

 

Drop the whataboutism. You are not smart as you believe.

 

It's so funny when those part of the capital classes in Latin America scream about hating US-sourced identity politics and yet themselves study its workings and try to weaponize the rhetoric against progressives views within North American discourse that argues how nationality does not erase class. It's always a threat to both the capital class and affluent diaspora when being from a region does not erase the class position one holds in that society. Why is it always people who upset about their grandfathers' giant farms and maids and servants being taken who hate socialists?

 

I guess trying to be vulgar and attack me is hope you'll cope with the fact that the people of Bolivia sent that fascist Jeanine to wither away in a jail cell for the end of days and rejected having their leader picked for them. How exactly does a US/UK-backed coup fail against an allegedly "unpopular" government with even the military on its side? Sounds like the government was actually pretty popular and the new one put in its place wasn't what the actual citizens wanted at all.

 

"No, Evo is corrupt, he isn't fit to lead" / "No, Zelensky is corrupt, he isn't fit to lead"

"Those elections were rigged. His party is corrupt." / "Those elections were rigged. His party is corrupt."

"Look at how Evo's government treated minorities! You might not like America, but are you going to support THAT?" / "Look at how Zelensky's government treated minorities You may not like Russia, but are you going to support THAT?!"

 

There is quite literally no difference between American and Russian imperialists.

Two sides of the same evil coin.

 

This is the exact kind of hypocrisy that Morales is calling out. Thanks for exemplifying it!

Edited August 2, 2022 by Communion

[A Bomb]

1 minute ago, Rainy Devil said:

Sí.

Al mismo infierno donde iremos los dos por ser maricas, pendejo. 

Yikes, not even a denial of being a racist. Además, ni puedes leer. Escribe "si creía".

[Rainy Devil]

Just now, Communion said:

More whataboutism...

You can quote me again since you like to have the last word. 

Go ahead, blanquito!

 

1 minute ago, A Bomb said:

Yikes, not even a denial of being a racist. Además, ni puedes leer. Escribe "si creía".

No need to adress something I'm not. Saying Evo is a liar and corrupt does not make me racist. Nice ass pull.

 

Hay que usar el translate de Google mejor:

 

-Escribí

-Creyera

 

'Escribe "si creía"'.

asfsgsh who "escribe" I did? 

 

Wtf were you even saying, girl. You really believed you did something there, didn't you? 

[A Bomb]

1 minute ago, Rainy Devil said:

You can quote me again since you like to have the last word. 

Go ahead, blanquito!

 

No need to adress something I'm not. Saying Evo is a liar and corrupt does not make me racist. Nice ass pull.

 

Hay que usar el translate de Google mejor:

 

-Escribí

-Creyera

 

'Escribe "si creía"'.

asfsgsh who "escribe" I did? 

 

Wtf were you even saying, girl. You really believed you did something there, didn't you? 

https://www.spanishdict.com/translate/creía

I mean how idiotic. What happens when you try to play shallow identity politics with literally no substance or knowledge on anything. You are a reactionary. Running on pure emotion with not one drop of actual knowledge on the topic at hand. Very tragic to expose the gutter level understanding you have in general. 

[Rainy Devil]

Just now, A Bomb said:

https://www.spanishdict.com/translate/creía

I mean how idiotic. What happens when you try to play shallow identity politics with literally no substance or knowledge on anything. You are a reactionary. Running on pure emotion with not one drop of actual knowledge on the topic at hand. Very tragic to expose the gutter level understanding you have in general. 

asdfghjkl thanks for letting me know you don't really speak/know spanish since you can't understand the error. 

[tshwark]

I love it, right or wrong I love to see indigenous leaders speaking their minds. 

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, Rainy Devil said:

You can quote me again since you like to have the last word. 

Go ahead, blanquito!

 

"Go ahead, blanquito!!!!" loses its bite from behind a jail cell.  Fascists always lose! #PutinNext! 

 

 

[Rainy Devil]

Just now, Communion said:

 

"Go ahead, blanquito!!!!" loses its bite from behind a jail cell.  Fascists always lose! #PutinNext! 

 

 

Why would you think I care about that woman, gringo? Lmao

I don't care about her. 

 

You sure make a lot of assumptions.

But go ahead and quote me once more. I know you are the type who loves to have the last word! 

 

Cannot wait to see what else you come up with now!

[Communion]

Just now, Rainy Devil said:

I don't care about her. 

Of course you do. You have multiple posts in a thread explicitly about the US/UK trying to kill a politician, replacing him with another, and failing, and have decided to try and derail the thread from being about US imperialism to instead your emotionally-driven hang-up's around ~communism~. What other reason could that be for?

 

You want to make it seem you're using people being US citizens as an insult but like... sis, based on your posts, I think you like the US, like really, really like the US.  Of course people are going to quote you when you try and defend US imperialism and regime change and then use identity politics to hide that fact. "I'm Latin American!!!". ...and? lol. Trump supporters are US citizens - that doesn't stop them from being privileged white supremacists, nor does wherever you'll claim to be from change that deciding to carry water for the imperialist US government and against working class Bolivians makes you at odds with the political majority of Bolivia and your whataboutism transparent and embarrassing.

[Bosque]

4 hours ago, A Bomb said:

The casual racism to defend NATO, whose expansion is causing the war in Ukraine atm  White people really love saying only white countries matter, and those dirty Latin American countries have to be pillaged for being "rich in resources". Leaving them, and it's people in economic ruin, then when those people migrate to the US. They are vilified or left in the shadows to be exploited as cheap labor. A disgusting system upheld by both political parties, and white gays on a pop forum. Your morals are rotted to be frank

The war is caused by Putin sending his military into a fully sovereign foreign country  cope

[A Bomb]

42 minutes ago, Dephira said:

The war is caused by Putin sending his military into a fully sovereign foreign country  cope

I dont care about the white countries in NATO or the war in Ukraine. I will pay it with the same sympathy that white people have for Brown countries affected by foreign destabilization. Even moreso the fact you feel that white countries is worth plunging the world into nuclear war. Volunteer to fight for the Ukraine if you feel this strongly. Like most American racial minorities our priorities are elsewhere

[mystery]

5 hours ago, A Bomb said:

The casual racism to defend NATO, whose expansion is causing the war in Ukraine atm  

Some people will clearly say and blame anyone BUT the actual country that is invading. Interesting that embraced and you are using the same talking point as Russia and Putin, imagine defending an invasion...

US exiting NATO or NATO being dissolved is not the solution and would cause chaos.

Edited August 2, 2022 by mystery

[arceus]

I rather have USA controlling the world than the likes of China, Russia or any other communist country 

[Katy V.!]

Not surprising to see genocide supporters quoting former dictators to spread Russian propaganda. 

 

I would've thought OP would stay away from making threads about Evo after they justified indigenous tribes getting massacred because they were "working with the CIA" but yeah, you have to be shameless to continually support genocide.  

[Gui Blackout]

Awww corrupt commie besties

[Cloudy]

The mental gymnastics to defend Russia and pin the invasion on others from some members of this site is unbelievable

 

Also not that member trying to discredit the opinion and experiences of people from Latin America and their governments

 

Anyway the ideal outcome would be for China, Russia and the USA to just go at it in the middle of the Pacific Ocean or something and leave just the rest of the world alone once and for all