charts discussion Taylor 122M CSPC; Fearless 20M, rep 10M, Lover 9M

[Steve Johnson]

5 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

Yea, no way it's bigger than IASF

Can you explain how? Fearless, a 11 week #1 album which was also the #1 album on 2009 Year-End chart and it's recurrent streams are much better than IASF. 

Edited July 31, 2022 by Steve Johnson

[simmnfierzig]

32 minutes ago, Steve Johnson said:

Can you explain how? Fearless, a 11 week #1 album which was also the #1 album on 2009 Year-End chart and it's recurrent streams are much better than IASF. 

It's also combined with the TV....

Makes a lot of sense

[PoisonedIvy]

32 minutes ago, Steve Johnson said:

Can you explain how? Fearless, a 11 week #1 album which was also the #1 album on 2009 Year-End chart and it's recurrent streams are much better than IASF. 

+ CM is combining the reissues, and whether you agree with that practice or not FTV definitely was an average success that boosted the original Fearless stats. 

[RihFenty20]

45 minutes ago, Rev8 said:

Yea, no way it's bigger than IASF

the strength they gave to streaming kind of ruined their formula

 

BTS is just above 110m (in a soon update) inb4 swifties back me up before dragging me here tho

It’s not bigger than IASF. The clown (who apparently is a Taylor stan) than runs the site combines the re-recordings with the original works when every official publication treats them as individual works. 

[Wolf Alice]

3 hours ago, By the Water said:

It means no other artist from this millennium owns a top 3 as solid as she does

 

3 hours ago, By the Water said:

In fact, Taylor Swift is the only female singer with 6 10-million sellers this millennium – she was already the only one with 5. Overall, she ties Eminem who owns 6 as well.

Lover will join the party sooner than later, now up to 9.0 million. It is one more album that only needs time to grow

 

3 hours ago, By the Water said:

Only 4 other female singers own 3 albums at 19.3+ million. Madonna, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, and Celine Dion.

Only 3 other female singers own 6 albums at 10+ million. Madonna, Mariah Carey and Celine Dion.

Yes, she is on that league now. And she is still only 32. Phew

She has managed to navigate the music industry through different consumption eras so well and it is only matched by her commitment to her craft and career.

 

We only have just started her impact with the new gen artists and with music streaming rapidly expanding in new markets, I think she is only going to grow through this decade atleast.

 

Queen ****

[Emperor]

Impressive numbers but the all time list is so biased for old artist , Taylor numbers / stats should be enough to place her top 10 of all time 

[The Music Industry]

1 hour ago, Rev8 said:

Yea, no way it's bigger than IASF

It is

Edited July 31, 2022 by The Music Industry

[The Music Industry]

43 minutes ago, RihFenty20 said:

It’s not bigger than IASF. The clown (who apparently is a Taylor stan) than runs the site combines the re-recordings with the original works when every official publication treats them as individual works. 

He's literally a Taylor anti and a Beyoncé stan but ok  

[tiagol88]

1 hour ago, Rev8 said:

Yea, no way it's bigger than IASF

the strength they gave to streaming kind of ruined their formula

 

BTS is just above 110m (in a soon update) inb4 swifties back me up when they pass her, before dragging me here tho

Wait you're telling me BTS is about to be half of Madonna's career soon? 

What formula are they using Lmao 

[PoisonedIvy]

1 hour ago, RihFenty20 said:

It’s not bigger than IASF. The clown (who apparently is a Taylor stan) than runs the site combines the re-recordings with the original works when every official publication treats them as individual works. 

Girl he hates Taylor  

[By the Water]

1 hour ago, RihFenty20 said:

It’s not bigger than IASF. The clown (who apparently is a Taylor stan) than runs the site combines the re-recordings with the original works when every official publication treats them as individual works. 

Nope. Multiple European countries combine the originals with the re-recordings, with Germany being the biggest market to do so

[1989]

Insane. She truly is in a league of her own, no one is touching her. 

[Protocol]

5 hours ago, tiagol88 said:

Wait you're telling me BTS is about to be half of Madonna's career soon? 

What formula are they using Lmao 

They are using the same formula as the music industry, their numbers are the same as Billboard and HDD.

 

BTS is so high because their South Korean fanbase buys multiple copies of every single release and so does their American and international fanbases (but to a lower degree). They have accumulated a ridiculous amount of sales in very little time because of this. The label doesn't care, it makes them the same amount of $$$.

 

The reason it feels so weird is because every other mega act from the last 30 years like Eminem, Taylor, Britney, Adele, Rihanna etc. isn't just really famous but also has really famous, iconic hits that the world knows and loves, whereas BTS only have mediocre quick lil singles. "Dynamite" is absolutely nowhere near the level of "Lose Yourself", "Shake It Off", "Baby One More Time", "Rolling in the Deep", "Umbrella" etc.

 

This will become apparent over the next decade as BTS's recurrent streams dwindle significantly once their primarily teen girl fanbase ages out of them and moves on. It's already happening.

[Cloröx]

7 hours ago, RihFenty20 said:

It’s not bigger than IASF. The clown (who apparently is a Taylor stan) than runs the site combines the re-recordings with the original works when every official publication treats them as individual works. 

Eh CM is well-known as Taylor hater, he always do something to deflate Taylor's stats I mean just look at the comment section of Taylor's article 

[Luke Hayes]

Was expecting a bit more, but i've read they divided her China sales idk how while Adele's counted 1:1 on her article?¿ and that user calling him a stan lol 

 

So yea, imagine if he has her REAL Asia numbers. 

[Badgalbriel]

13 hours ago, RihFenty20 said:

(who apparently is a Taylor stan)

It's the opposite, clown

Edited August 1, 2022 by Badgalbriel

[Badgalbriel]

14 hours ago, Rev8 said:

Yea, no way it's bigger than IASF

the strength they gave to streaming kind of ruined their formula

 

BTS is just above 110m (in a soon update) inb4 swifties back me up when they pass her, before dragging me here tho

Why would it not be bigger

[RihFenty20]

11 hours ago, Kozy said:

Your fave will always be below Taylor no matter how much you cry in every Taylor thread 

My fav is the best selling digital artist of all time, pure sales. Until an official publication references fraudmasters or their formula for anything, Taylor has not outsold Rih, much less her local country (combined with its 2021 re-release) album doing 20M units . Me combating fraudmasters numbers whenever they're brought up is simply to let the masses know that it isn't accurate and no official publication has ever used them as a reference point.

[Arrows]

3 minutes ago, RihFenty20 said:

My fav is the best selling digital artist of all time, pure sales. Until an official publication references fraudmasters or their formula for anything, Taylor has not outsold Rih, much less her local country (combined with its 2021 re-release) album doing 20M units . Me combating fraudmasters numbers whenever they're brought up is simply to let the masses know that it isn't accurate and no official publication has ever used them as a reference point.

Digital artist, yes. Include physical copies and streams and you’ll see a different picture.

[RihFenty20]

38 minutes ago, Kozy said:

actual sales

LMAO how are you talking about actual sales when streams aren't actual sales, streams are streams and sales are sales. 150 streams is a song sale's but is worth about 45 cents. An album sale is worth $4.5 in streams. Traditional sales of both is worth more than double their streaming equivalent. There's so many things funny (and contradictory) about your response . I'm not here to argue facts (Btw, Rihanna has sold more "actual" (aka pure) albums than taylor in most markets, so much for not being an album seller). 

 

You should go outside, get some fresh air. you seem a little distraught. 

 

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by RihFenty20

[The Music Industry]

1 hour ago, RihFenty20 said:

My fav is the best selling digital artist of all time, pure sales. Until an official publication references fraudmasters or their formula for anything, Taylor has not outsold Rih

The denial  Sticking to pure digital sales in 2022 (and not making a difference between single units and album units while doing so)  

[RihFenty20]

13 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

The denial  Sticking to pure digital sales in 2022 (and not making a difference between single units and album units while doing so)  

 

5 minutes ago, Kozy said:

My point is calling Rihanna the “best selling digital artist”

LMAO, this is literally a google-able fact (seriously, google it). again, There's nothing to argue here. Until an official publication backs up fraud masters. This is all just speculation. The facts are Rihanna has outsold (overall, if you want to make the distinction between albums and singles, sure. but overall, Rihanna outselling remains a fact). Taylor has outstreamed Rihanna (also a fact). Until IFPI or Billboard or HDD or literally anyone valid says "There is the list of best selling acts based on an industry recognized formula we all agree with" those will remain the facts. There's nothing else to say (PS, Rihanna has also sold more albums in Lat-am) . 

[Headlock]

1 hour ago, RihFenty20 said:

You should go outside, get some fresh air. you seem a little distraught. 

You started it you troll 

[Cruel Summer]

It’s a little weird that they combine the rerecordings with the originals, and Chart Masters consistently fails to reflect Taylor’s actual total, but this is cool to see nonetheless.

[The Music Industry]

1 hour ago, RihFenty20 said:

LMAO how are you talking about actual sales when streams aren't actual sales, streams are streams and sales are sales. 150 streams is a song sale's but is worth about 45 cents. An album sale is worth $4.5 in streams. Traditional sales of both is worth more than double their streaming equivalent. There's so many things funny (and contradictory) about your response .

The irony is far too much considering how contradictory you're being. Suddenly you care about equivalents based on revenue after bragging that Rihanna is the "best selling digital artist" because of quick 0.99$ singles, completely disregarding the fact that album sales are worth 10 to 15 times more than a single. Like...