Gorgeous Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Finnish open prisons are showing positive results for prisoners, do you think more countries should implement it? Quote ''The prisons in Norway are built into rehabilitation, the prisons in the US (and probably the rest of the world) are built around punishment'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatyPrismSpirit Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 ridiculous concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cain Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 People don’t care about inmates’ ability to be rehabilitated or the overall wellbeing of a society, they want to see people get punished in a twisted sense of ‘justice’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power love Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Cain said: People don’t care about inmates’ ability to be rehabilitated or the overall wellbeing of a society, they want to see people get punished in a twisted sense of ‘justice’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Into The Void Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Prisoners just come and go? Scary thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudLBS Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 keep them away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesus del rey Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Some people can't comprehend that prisoners are still people and their exploitation (especially in the U.S.A) is modern day slavery. Not to mention, most prison systems revolve around racial discriminatory justice systems. Good for Finland trying to change something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gui Blackout Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 So they're basically rewarding convicted criminals with a nice resort vacation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Into The Void Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, jesus del rey said: Some people can't comprehend that prisoners are still people and their exploitation (especially in the U.S.A) is modern day slavery. Not to mention, most prison systems revolve around racial discriminatory justice systems. Good for Finland trying to change something. Even those who shoot up schools? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbeHicks Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 This looks like it will just motivate more crime. Those prisons are nicer than most people's homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GipJo Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) No, especially in developing countries. Not every government has the money or the societal environment (low crime rate) to do such things. Edited July 7, 2022 by GipJo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plum Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 it's a privilege for some rich western coutry, not the whole world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Day Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 I mean, the numbers of convicted people returning to prison speak for themselves even if it seems strange. A lot of countries have justice systems that favor rehabilitation instead of punishment. If you don't give prisoners the chance to educate or develop skills for their life after prison, you don't need to wonder when they return to do crimes. 5 minutes ago, AbeHicks said: This looks like it will just motivate more crime. Those prisons are nicer than most people's homes. If life seems better in prison then your country has serious problems. Finland and Norway don't seem to relate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Absolutely not. With that said, I've always thought they should be able to shower and take a **** in separate stalls. And I do think prisons should be more focused on rehabilitation than punishment (despite that there are many impossible to rehabilitate). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbeHicks Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Next Day said: I mean, the numbers of convicted people returning to prison speak for themselves even if it seems strange. A lot of countries have justice systems that favor rehabilitation instead of punishment. If you don't give prisoners the chance to educate or develop skills for their life after prison, you don't need to wonder when they return to do crimes. If life seems better in prison then your country has serious problems. Finland and Norway don't seem to relate. The standard of life in Finland / Norway is way higher than in 90% of countries, duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 In near ideal societies like the Scandinavia it works. Won't work for the rest of the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Day Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, AbeHicks said: The standard of life in Finland / Norway is way higher than in 90% of countries, duh It sounded like you said people there were motivated to do crimes. Of course the standard of living needs to fit the prison system. But that doesn't mean open prisons don't work, they need the right societal requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgeous Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, Insanity said: Even those who shoot up schools? No, Finland and Norway still have regular prisons. Prisoners on Open Prisons have to first go through multiple psychological tests, as well as already serving some time in regular prisons. 18 minutes ago, Buddy said: And I do think prisons should be more focused on rehabilitation than punishment how do you want to rehabilitate in a regular prison? If you are in a confined space you can't get better, you can't expect to go though surgery and go back to your regular life right away, you need a process in between called rehabilitation, people don't get better by just laying in their hospital beds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 If the nation has the funds, they should try to keep prisons as humane and confortable as possible. And if your prisons are too over-populated to try then that's either because of over-criminalization or poor societal support for your citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gorgeous said: No, Finland and Norway still have regular prisons. Prisoners on Open Prisons have to first go through multiple psychological tests, as well as already serving some time in regular prisons. how do you want to rehabilitate in a regular prison? If you are in a confined space you can't get better, you can't expect to go though surgery and go back to your regular life right away, you need a process in between called rehabilitation, people don't get better by just laying in their hospital beds. Like, offering free education and setting inmates up with careers post-incarceration so they don't have to struggle finding work once released which is profoundly difficult with a criminal record. Setting up temporary housing for the post-incarcerated, etc. Many prisoners, once released, intentionally re-commit crimes to go back as they lack the skills and opportunities necessary to make it in the real world. Truth is, prison is safer than the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgeous Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Buddy said: Like, offering free education and setting inmates up with careers post-incarceration so they don't have to struggle finding work once released which is profoundly difficult with a criminal record. Many prisoners, once released, intentionally re-commit crimes to go back to prison as they lack the skills and opportunities necessary to make it in the real world. Prison is safer than the streets. yes but part of the rehabilitation also comes with emotional intelligence rehab. You can't get better mentally in a small cell confined between four walls, even if they teach you a profession. You should be able to breathe some air, walk, live in a nice and luminous environment, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesus del rey Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 41 minutes ago, Insanity said: Even those who shoot up schools? Finland (and most of the world) has better gun control laws than America so they should copy that first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gorgeous said: yes but part of the rehabilitation also comes with emotional intelligence rehab. You can't get better mentally in a small cell confined between four walls, even if they teach you a profession. You should be able to breathe some air, walk, live in a nice and luminous environment, etc. Prisons are not just solitary confinement. Most prisoners have some freedoms and even the opportunity to attend certain classes. That needs to be expanded, however, and intelligently. Conditions should be approved though, I agree. Just nowhere near the extent these Scandinavian prisons have adopted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopKills Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Buddy said: Like, offering free education and setting inmates up with careers post-incarceration so they don't have to struggle finding work once released which is profoundly difficult with a criminal record. Setting up temporary housing for the post-incarcerated, etc. Many prisoners, once released, intentionally re-commit crimes to go back as they lack the skills and opportunities necessary to make it in the real world. Truth is, prison is safer than the streets. In Finland if you’re homeless & jobless you get a flat for free for a few months till you find a job iirc, that’s why their homelessness rate is the lowest in all of Europe. They actually help the people to be a part of society and don’t leave them on the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GraceRandolph Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Definitely sounds like a better system for many inmates (especially non-violent offenders) than the for-profit prison system in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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