discussion Do you think Biden should run again or step aside in 2024?

[slik]

Can literally picture CNN doing a piece on how this might be Conor Lamb's time for the WH 

 

[jakeisphat]

19 minutes ago, americanlife said:

It depends on where the country stands and where his health is. If things are better by next summer, I think he should run. If not, he should step aside.

He will have to make his mind up before then though... the candidates will start announcing their campaigns right after the midterms. If he waits until the summer and then announces he isn't running, the democratic primary will be a last-minute mess and the DNC will be left scrambling. They'd probably just say **** it and push Kamala or Pete due to name recognition when both of them are littered with political weaknesses. 

[Brando]

25 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Meh I think in the world of tik tok and what not it’s not the same world. If she can capture the youth and encourage them to vote (many of which still don’t) then she has a shot. Many youth don’t feel encouraged to vote for candidates they don’t like that are 70+ years old.

In a normal country this could work, but in Amurica where you have your Electors and popular vote largely doesn't matter, I don't see how she could win. Obama won at a completely different time. The stars aren't aligned for Democrats at the moment. 

[LustSpell]

Step aside. He's way too damaged by not doing anything to even have a chance. He won because people didn't want Trump. If Trump isn't the nominee, he'll be stomped and even IF Trump comes back, it's still going to be an extremely hard fight.

 

Please, just give me someone on the left that is willing to help us and not blow smoke up our asses.

[rihannabiggestfan]

Stop, I can only get so erect

 

 

If the Democrats want to potentially get my vote, then Bye Bye Biden

[perfect blue]

We want AOC

[Miss Show Business]

3 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

Stop, I can only get so erect

 

 

If the Democrats want to potentially get my vote, then Bye Bye Biden

Translation: "I'm not voting for Democrats even in the face of fascism"

 

Weimar Republic Germany teas

[rihannabiggestfan]

4 minutes ago, Track10 said:

We want AOC

She doesn't have Bernie's high favorability, but she's miles better than Biden indeed

 

 

[Happylittlepunk]

Please aoc just run for president in 2024 or Elizabeth warren. Bernie please just look for a prodigy. 

[Communion]

24 minutes ago, slik said:

Sadly, that is probably what they would/will do

 

It really would be an ideal time (like 7 years ago) for them to get onboard with progressives but I fear they'll go with another centrist/neolib 

There sadly is no real progressive leadership who isn't compromised. 

 

It takes a combination of 1) personal ideology (believing in progressivism economic policies), 2) ethics (believing that corporatism is unjust), and 3) a personal attitude of being okay with being unliked amongst social pressure.

 

A lot of progressives can fill #1 and #2, but many succumb, like @Bloo has outlined before in other threads, the issue of #3, where they enter the halls of Congress and decide having friendly coworkers or enjoying themselves as work is more important to their politics than doing what they still believe. Bernie's best trait was that he was fine with being not liked by anybody if he felt he was achieving what he thought was right. Even then though he ended up internalizing 4 years of radlibs claiming Trump was his fault and bought into the idea of Democrats being good people even if corrupt.

 

He could have easily won the 2020 primary if he simply named Biden's decades of corruption, but convinced himself that, in spite of Biden's corruption that he felt was real, he believed that Biden, in comparison to Trump, was still a ~good person in comparison and thus he wouldn't land any blows he felt could harm Biden's run against Trump if Biden ended up with the nomination. Sanders even defended Biden when Zephyr Teachout rightfully wrote an article detailing Biden's corruption.

 

Meanwhile Biden sat in a debate and personally blamed Bernie for a white supremacist going into an all-black church and deciding to murder a dozen or so people in cold blood.

 

The only hope there is if a random progressive emerges around the time of late-2023 talking about their desires to assault the establishment with the same rhetoric Bernie used, while learning from his mistakes.

Edited July 3, 2022 by Communion

[rihannabiggestfan]

2 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said:

Please aoc just run for president in 2024 or Elizabeth warren. Bernie please just look for a prodigy. 

Not the Federalist Republican who tried to pass as Native American and spend half the primary calling her "friend" Bernie the progressive sexist, please

 

 

She ran in 2020 and got top 2 in zero states. Her only base is middle-aged white women with postgraduate degrees

[Happylittlepunk]

9 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

Not the Federalist Republican who tried to pass as Native American and spend half the primary calling her "friend" Bernie the progressive sexist, please

 

 

She ran in 2020 and got top 2 in zero states. Her only base is middle-aged white women with postgraduate degrees

Can you think anyone who can run in 2024 and challenge Biden who more progressive and actually cares about making this country better? 

[rihannabiggestfan]

END THE RIGHT-WINGER, QUEEN

 

^a sexist

 

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said:

Can you think anyone who can run in 2024 and challenge Biden who more progressive and actually cares about making this country better? 

Yes, but if Warren is the only one who tries to primary in 2024, I guess I'll support her

[Desire]

Step aside. I'm actually so here for AOC. Strangely I feel like she can pull off what Hillary couldn't. She isn't afraid to defend herself and bite back. Latina excellence  

[ClashAndBurn]

Why should Biden step aside? Anybody else that the Dems would put up would just be worse. They'd be even less popular than Biden is now, would have even worse instincts when it comes to America's role in global conflict, and be even less likely to win at the end of the day in 2024 because they wouldn't even have incumbency advantage.

 

Look at how unpopular Kamala Harris is, for example. As hated as Biden is, Kamala's approval ratings have always run at a minimum of 10 points below his. Despite that, the nomination is guaranteed to go to her if Biden steps aside, because the DNC will make sure that it pans out in her favor just like they did for Hillary and Joe. Otherwise they run the risk of losing credibility with identity politics-driven black women (esp. those in the media/punditry class like Jemele Hill, Joy Ann Reid, Sunny Hostin, etc.) whom they've boxed themselves into needing to appease at all costs. That and they know the tantrums and toxicity from the KHive will be debilitating.

[rihannabiggestfan]

7 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Why should Biden step aside? Anybody else that the Dems would put up would just be worse. They'd be even less popular than Biden is now, would have even worse instincts when it comes to America's role in global conflict, and be even less likely to win at the end of the day in 2024 because they wouldn't even have incumbency advantage.

 

Look at how unpopular Kamala Harris is, for example. As hated as Biden is, Kamala's approval ratings have always run at a minimum of 10 points below his. Despite that, the nomination is guaranteed to go to her if Biden steps aside, because the DNC will make sure that it pans out in her favor just like they did for Hillary and Joe. Otherwise they run the risk of losing credibility with identity politics-driven black women (esp. those in the media/punditry class like Jemele Hill, Joy Ann Reid, Sunny Hostin, etc.) whom they've boxed themselves into needing to appease at all costs. That and they know the tantrums and toxicity from the KHive will be debilitating.

Hellworld indeed

 

and I'll add (for others, I know you already know this ) that KHive is literally cancer.

Edited July 3, 2022 by rihannabiggestfan

[ClashAndBurn]

2 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

Hellwood indeed

 

and I'll add (for others, I know you already know this ) that KHive is literally cancer.

Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. I hate Biden as much as the average person (as indicated by polling  ) but... to be honest, like... The Democratic Party is just the party of out-of-touch elite identarian hacks, and they've wanted to be this way for the longest time. They've fallen for the "Demographics is Destiny" prophecy and misinterpreted it in the worst possible way. Granted, so did the Republicans. But now they're caught flat-footed by the fact that they're hemorrhaging working class people of color from their coalition and they don't even know why.  

[A Bomb]

39 minutes ago, Happylittlepunk said:

Can you think anyone who can run in 2024 and challenge Biden who more progressive and actually cares about making this country better? 

Will she actual prioritize courting Black and Latino voters this time? Or are we once again hoping, and praying another stunt will do that work for her?  

[Trent W]

Y’all think a 32 year old woman AOC would win with ideas that all the middle hates

Only twitter and tik tok would vote for her lmfao.

 

Biden really needs to step aside, democrats do need an Obama sized superstar. Basically only Michelle Obama has a chance  

 

 

 

 

[Communion]

6 minutes ago, Trent W said:

Y’all think a 32 year old woman AOC would win with ideas that all the middle hates

AOC and the left's ideas are the most popular being proposed out of Congress. Centrists lied to you. 

 

 

The only legislation more popular than capping credit card interest rates?

Expanding Medicare to include dental and vision, a key policy of Bernie Sanders' candidacy in 2016 + 2020. 

[spree]

Howard Stern should run.  

[yeezytaughtme]

Hell no. Someone should help him out lmao

[DONTYELLATME]

I think John Fetterman could be a good candidate maybe not in 2024 but in the future (if he wins the Pennsylvania senate seat in November)

Edited July 3, 2022 by DONTYELLATME

[rihannabiggestfan]

42 minutes ago, DONTYELLATME said:

I think John Fetterman could be a good candidate maybe not in 2024 but in the future (if he wins the Pennsylvania senate seat in November)

I wish he weren't an Israel simp, but true. It would be embarrassing if he loses to Oz, so he better win that

 

1 hour ago, spree said:

Howard Stern should run.  

No thank you

 

 

 

 

[MotoPapi]

Step aside.

 

i voted for him but he has been an absolute catastrophe. Worse than trump. I regret voting for him and will not be doing that 

mistake again.