Communion Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jan said: It won’t be banned, it will just go back to the states ....who will then ban it. Aren't you from like.. Poland?? Can y'all do just a tiny bit of research before trying to do a contrarian hot-take?? Edited July 1, 2022 by Communion
ThehushSound Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jan said: It won’t be banned, it will just go back to the states, like abortion. The U.S. is so weird for relying on the judiciary to make and unmake laws, especially of such significance and not the legislature. I live in Idaho if it gets overturned I’m more than likely ******. Before you try to pull the just move card, no I just can’t move to a blue state. If any of you want to pull that card **** you and your privileged point of view. Edited July 1, 2022 by ThehushSound
Shame♥ Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Communion said: ....who will then ban it. Aren't you from like.. Poland?? Can y'all do just a tiny bit of research before trying to do a contrarian hot-take?? Not the country with the worst abortion rights in all of the west.
Corso Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Jan said: It won’t be banned, it will just go back to the states, like abortion. The U.S. is so weird for relying on the judiciary to make and unmake laws, especially of such significance and not the legislature. The legislature is the will of the majority. That's fine for the basic functions of government, but not for individual rights. You don't leave individual rights up to mob rule. If its a fundamental right like free speech, freedom of religion,.....then it has to be for everybody, it cant exist or not exist depending on which state you live.
Horizon Flame Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 (edited) On 6/29/2022 at 7:42 AM, GraceRandolph said: Can we stop with this “homophobes are secretly gay” argument for everyone? No. Republicans who get caught up in this anti gay sex charade are almost always dabbling. Edited July 1, 2022 by Horizon Flame
Schoolin' Life Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Jan said: It won’t be banned, it will just go back to the states, like abortion. The U.S. is so weird for relying on the judiciary to make and unmake laws, especially of such significance and not the legislature. I cannot believe this bs comes out of polish mouth when our supreme count is primary example of takeover for political gains and "unmaking" laws. Like We already have efective abortion ban and woman died because doctors failed to act and save her live in fear of being prosecuted for abortion. I am married, have two kids myself and I am overall healthy woman with good economic situation. During my second pragnany I got anemy, diabetes, hypothyroitism (thankfully all reverted after delivery). I also got varicose veins. Now that was one was so severe when I told my doctor during one of pragnący checkups that we"re thinking about third child with my husband he said I would be risking my life and to think it over. He was dead serious, this is legit scary. I mean woman are not minority and if We get threted as second class citizen gay rights or Raciąż minorowy laws are really just afterthought and will be taken away in a blank of an eye.
Gov Hooka Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 Imo I never liked how the epitome of achieving gay rights is recognition of gay marriage so I’m not as shook by this insofar that gay liberation/actual “equality” won’t rest on bourgeois Gay’s wishes... Dont really care about the act itself other than that it’s just another example of the institutional solidification of right wing politics. Gay libs spent so long on these issues and not broad based economic issues, which has created the conditions for anti-lgbtq to thrive in the country.
Bosque Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Gov Hooka said: Imo I never liked how the epitome of achieving gay rights is recognition of gay marriage so I’m not as shook by this insofar that gay liberation/actual “equality” won’t rest on bourgeois Gay’s wishes... Dont really care about the act itself other than that it’s just another example of the institutional solidification of right wing politics. Gay libs spent so long on these issues and not broad based economic issues, which has created the conditions for anti-lgbtq to thrive in the country. Uhm, gay people make more money on average than straight people. Despite issues like LGBTQ homelessness, this is by and large a legislative issue (and an issue of a lack of acceptance by conservatives/republicans no matter what we do to "fit in" with society), not an economic one
Gov Hooka Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dephira said: Uhm, gay people make more money on average than straight people. Despite issues like LGBTQ homelessness, this is by and large a legislative issue (and an issue of a lack of acceptance by conservatives/republicans no matter what we do to "fit in" with society), not an economic one Now actually dissect how many of those gay people making more money are *white* and then you’ll actually start having a coherent class analysis for once. And also understand how right wing reactionary politics that target minorities grow when the population at large is economically disaffected. This includes rollbacks on gay rights.
Protocol Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Dephira said: Uhm, gay people make more money on average than straight people. Despite issues like LGBTQ homelessness, this is by and large a legislative issue (and an issue of a lack of acceptance by conservatives/republicans no matter what we do to "fit in" with society), not an economic one No they don't That is some bullshit.
Bosque Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Protocol said: No they don't That is some bullshit. The researchers focused on earnings data for adults aged 25 to 64—in other words, people who are likely to be finished with their education. What they found was that, consistent with previous research, lesbians continued to out-earn straight women. Specifically, the average annual earnings (pre-tax) for lesbians were $47,026 compared to $39,902 for heterosexual women. In contrast to the earlier data, however, it turns out that gay men now earn more than straight men. The average annual earnings for gay men were $59,618 compared to $57,032 for straight men. Gay People Make More Money Than Their Straight Peers (vice.com) Google is totally free
GraceRandolph Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Gov Hooka said: Imo I never liked how the epitome of achieving gay rights is recognition of gay marriage so I’m not as shook by this insofar that gay liberation/actual “equality” won’t rest on bourgeois Gay’s wishes... Dont really care about the act itself other than that it’s just another example of the institutional solidification of right wing politics. Gay libs spent so long on these issues and not broad based economic issues, which has created the conditions for anti-lgbtq to thrive in the country. Gay marriage being overturned would be devastating to so many gay people... I understand that there are more important issues from a class perspective, but don't act like the legalization of gay marriage wasn't a huge win for the LGBT community as a whole.
monologueNacafe Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 On 6/24/2022 at 11:19 AM, G.U.Y. Gaga said: This is true for a lot of things but not this. this is literally ONLY happening because trump was elected No it’s not j
Gov Hooka Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Gay marriage being overturned would be devastating to so many gay people... I understand that there are more important issues from a class perspective, but don't act like the legalization of gay marriage wasn't a huge win for the LGBT community as a whole. Heavily disagree. Gay Marriage is frequently the benchmark propped up by the current bourgeois, white-gay led LGbTQ “movement” in the US. That we focus on this as an assault on gay rights and not the myriad of class based oppression of black and brown queer people *internationally* is exactly why white gays are freaking out about this en masse. Their “rights” are potentially under attack. I don’t deny that this is an issue and a signal of further institutionalized homophobia down the road but its important to know the material conditions that are leading to these rollbacks of gay rights achieved thus far. That conversation is oft (and deliberately imo) ignored by the liberal gay voices and orgs that dominate the lgbtq environment Edited July 2, 2022 by Gov Hooka
CaptainMusic Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Gov Hooka said: Imo I never liked how the epitome of achieving gay rights is recognition of gay marriage so I’m not as shook by this insofar that gay liberation/actual “equality” won’t rest on bourgeois Gay’s wishes... Dont really care about the act itself other than that it’s just another example of the institutional solidification of right wing politics. Gay libs spent so long on these issues and not broad based economic issues, which has created the conditions for anti-lgbtq to thrive in the country. 3 hours ago, Gov Hooka said: Heavily disagree. Gay Marriage is frequently the benchmark propped up by the current bourgeois, white-gay led LGbTQ “movement” in the US. That we focus on this as an assault on gay rights and not the myriad of class based oppression of black and brown queer people *internationally* is exactly why white gays are freaking out about this en masse. Their “rights” are potentially under attack. I don’t deny that this is an issue and a signal of further institutionalized homophobia down the road but its important to know the material conditions that are leading to these rollbacks of gay rights achieved thus far. That conversation is oft (and deliberately imo) ignored by the liberal gay voices and orgs that dominate the lgbtq environment We can focus on more than one issue in the gay community. As a black gay man who doesn’t even want to get married, let’s not shrug this off like it’s nothing. The right to gay marriage is not just for white gays, it’s also a fundamental right that any other POC gay deserves to have if they wish. It is rightfully considered a huge deal for equality that gay people of all races are allowed to marry the same way straights can, taking that right away would be a disaster. I’d love to see how the self-hating gays who supported Republicans and said this won’t happen defend it though.
Gov Hooka Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Dephira said: The researchers focused on earnings data for adults aged 25 to 64—in other words, people who are likely to be finished with their education. What they found was that, consistent with previous research, lesbians continued to out-earn straight women. Specifically, the average annual earnings (pre-tax) for lesbians were $47,026 compared to $39,902 for heterosexual women. In contrast to the earlier data, however, it turns out that gay men now earn more than straight men. The average annual earnings for gay men were $59,618 compared to $57,032 for straight men. Gay People Make More Money Than Their Straight 3 hours ago, Dephira said: The researchers focused on earnings data for adults aged 25 to 64—in other words, people who are likely to be finished with their education. What they found was that, consistent with previous research, lesbians continued to out-earn straight women. Specifically, the average annual earnings (pre-tax) for lesbians were $47,026 compared to $39,902 for heterosexual women. In contrast to the earlier data, however, it turns out that gay men now earn more than straight men. The average annual earnings for gay men were $59,618 compared to $57,032 for straight men. Gay People Make More Money Than Their Straight Peers (vice.com) Google is totally free Peers (vice.com) Google is totally free As mentioned in the article: An alternative possibility is that maybe there's a selection effect in terms of who is coming out today. For example, maybe being out about one's sexuality is disproportionately likely among sexual minorities who are more highly educated and have other characteristics that increase their odds of higher earnings It seems really likely that those more financially well off (in the US/West are overwhelmingly white people and very likely the same wealth stratifications based in race would apply to the lgbtq community) are in a better material condition to come out/self report as gay. But my point earlier was that worsening economic conditions for the entire population can lead to the increased likelihood of using the lgbtq minority as a scapegoat or vehicle to increase right wing political mobilization.
Gov Hooka Posted July 2, 2022 Posted July 2, 2022 30 minutes ago, CaptainMusic said: We can focus on more than one issue in the gay community. As a black gay man who doesn’t even want to get married, let’s not shrug this off like it’s nothing. The right to gay marriage is not just for white gays, it’s also a fundamental right that any other POC gay deserves to have if they wish. It is rightfully considered a huge deal for equality that gay people of all races are allowed to marry the same way straights can, taking that right away would be a disaster. I’d love to see how the self-hating gays who supported Republicans and said this won’t happen defend it though. But here’s the thing. Let’s be frank and understand focusing on more than one issue doesn’t tend to happen in the gay “community.” I wasn’t denying that it isn’t an issue, it’s just an eyeroll to queer poc whose economic/racial/myriad of other rights are largely ignored from the mainstream discourse. If gay orgs and leaders want marriage equality to monopolize the gay rights agenda, then of course everyone is going to freak out like this is a big deal. Best book on this subject that I’ve read is Urvashi Vaid’s “Virtual Equality” She goes into the pitfalls of using gay marriage as a crux issue and how it contributes to the mainstreaming of the queer community at large and shifts focus to gay integration not gay liberation. Basically the same analysis James Baldwin was writing but using contemporary examples.
frenchyisback Posted July 3, 2022 Posted July 3, 2022 (edited) I feel bad for the people thought they were owning Hillary in 2016, only to realize this year they were owning themselves all along. That's why I respect the right. They hated Trump, they knew he was a shady unfaithfully mess, probably a tax cheat, & a total disgrace but they kept their eye on the prize: The Supreme Court. & they showed up in force regardless. I can respect their discipline. You'd think the left would have woken up and started acting like their lives were on the line but I still see them acting like spoiled kids instead. #We'reDoomed Edited July 3, 2022 by frenchyisback
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