eli's_rhythm Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 On 6/13/2022 at 1:52 PM, swissman said: Well first we should define what a legend even is... A legend being someone whose work/artistry/talent is widely revered and respected and whose name precedes them meaning, you don't actually have to know anything about Céline or have heard her music, but the name alone conjures an idea of what she's done and respected for. Example: you may not have listened to Ella Fitzgerald, but if you pay any attention to music discussions you would pick she is highly regarded and important and has made a mark in her industry. In Céline's case, it's primarily her voice that makes her a legend, that soaring, roaring, kind of silly and campy vocal style of her's that has sold millions of albums around the world. This voice has mad her into an icon with many important classics, and with time, a legend for having achieved so many great things (some of the biggest soundtrack singles ever, a signature, game-changing Vegas residency that paved the way for all the MPGs doing it in the 2010s and on, an AOTY Grammy, and of course the fact that she's slayed not just the French music industry, but the English one too). That certain people haven't listened to her albums in full does not mean much, when MILLIONS have around the world and in more than one language. Most people probably don't listen to a lot of Aretha Franklin or Judy Garland or Bille Holiday albums but that doesn't at all mean they are not certified legends. Well, I mostly agree with this, but that last point is a bit silly, because albums became way more important and more widely promoted with the advent of CDs and album eras spanning multiple years. Most of her peers have at least a couple of classic / acclaimed albums, while we can’t really say that about Celine. But I do agree she’s a legend anyway. She’s just in her own lane.
slw84 Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 She's a part of the vocal trinity and the wealthiest one who took her one decade of success and stretch that btch out for decades to come. Left out on top. Oh she's a balladeer and then stunted on lessers and ended her 90s domination with a midtempo bop that's the way it is. The versatility of it all. When you go to multiple hoods and see that everyone has at least one Celine Dion album. She's one of the six white women who can come to the cookout no questions asked: Dolly, Celine, Britney, Gwen, Kelly Clarkson and Betty White (RIP). Adele's application is moving along progressively. She earned it when she went off on the elite during Hurricane Katrina, though She was not playing with these girls
slw84 Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 now this is a time when that one celine dion poster who would just come in out of nowhere and drag people over Celine to show his behind and let the OP know what time it is Go off.
ninetiesceline Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Inverted said: Literally no one calls her that I expect a legend a to have more than 1 remembered song and to not stop selling after her 4th era Lets check it shall we: 1st era: Unison (4M) 2nd era: Self-titled (6M) 3rd era: The Colour of My Love (20M) 4th era: Falling Into You (32M) 5th era: Lets Talk About Love (31M) 6th era: These Are Special Times (15M) 7th era: All The Way... (24M) 8th era: A New Day Has Come (13M) Edited June 16, 2022 by ninetiesceline
swissman Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, eli's_rhythm said: Well, I mostly agree with this, but that last point is a bit silly, because albums became way more important and more widely promoted with the advent of CDs and album eras spanning multiple years. Most of her peers have at least a couple of classic / acclaimed albums, while we can’t really say that about Celine. But I do agree she’s a legend anyway. She’s just in her own lane. I'm just not sure that a legend needs a classic / acclaimed album if making albums is not what she is legendary for. It's her voice, first and foremost. Because she's a balladeer, not a songwriter or producer, I don't think it matter so much if her albums as a whole are not regarded as works of art as let's say a Mariah, but more like vehicles for her voice, like let's say a Whitney (who does edge Céline out insofar as The Bodyguard being a pretty classic album as an entity). On the flip side, Madonna (someone not known for soaring vocals) got her legend status by making classic / acclaimed / impactful eras. I don't think there is any one way to achieve legend-hood, so long as you fit the criteria of what makes one.
eli's_rhythm Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, slw84 said: She's a part of the vocal trinity and the wealthiest one who took her one decade of success and stretch that btch out for decades to come. Left out on top. Oh she's a balladeer and then stunted on lessers and ended her 90s domination with a midtempo bop that's the way it is. The versatility of it all. When you go to multiple hoods and see that everyone has at least one Celine Dion album. She's one of the six white women who can come to the cookout no questions asked: Dolly, Celine, Britney, Gwen, Kelly Clarkson and Betty White (RIP). Adele's application is moving along progressively. She earned it when she went off on the elite during Hurricane Katrina, though She was not playing with these girls Gwen? After using Japanese women as pets and being with Blake Shelton? I think not
Mystic Boy Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 ”Hello” by Adele being directly inspired by Celine power balads and could totally been sung by her in the 90s, tell you everything about her impact, now hide this embarrassing thread
GreatestLoveofAll Posted June 16, 2022 Posted June 16, 2022 its true her impact and influence on other artist and music is pretty lacking in comparison to her peers but Celine still outsells and outgrosses 90 percent of pop girls to this day. The fact that she has this longevity with songs from three decades ago is legendary in itself imo.
Inverted Posted June 17, 2022 Posted June 17, 2022 On 6/15/2022 at 9:59 PM, ninetiesceline said: Lets check it shall we: 1st era: Unison (4M) 2nd era: Self-titled (6M) 3rd era: The Colour of My Love (20M) 4th era: Falling Into You (32M) 5th era: Lets Talk About Love (31M) 6th era: These Are Special Times (15M) 7th era: All The Way... (24M) 8th era: A New Day Has Come (13M) You quoted the wrong person. I did not say that.
Power love Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/14/2022 at 1:50 AM, ProudLBS said: Dua Lipa stans coming for freaking Celine Dion
besaid Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/15/2022 at 9:31 PM, slw84 said: So iconic. The little swipes at her tears so they don't mess up her FLAWLESS makeup really add a special touch. Such a genuine person I love her
QueenofCopyPaste Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 On 6/13/2022 at 2:50 PM, Truth Teller said: Not by me tbh I think one of the makings of a legend is to transcend generations. I'm not quite sure Celine is doing that. I mean... the streams of her biggest hits are ok-ish, but I get the impression that my generation only knows her vaguely and the one after ours doesn't know her at all as an artist. Certainly not in the same way they know Whitney, Mariah and Madonna. It has a lot to do with the fact that she's been promoting herself as a legacy act since 2000 whereas Madonna and Mariah were still kicking throughout that decade. But an act like her was also not commercially viable in the 2000's tbh. Of course I'm only judging based on my environment and experiences so... maybe I'm wrong Yes you are wrong
ninetiesceline Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 10 minutes ago, besaid said: So iconic. The little swipes at her tears so they don't mess up her FLAWLESS makeup really add a special touch. Such a genuine person I love her “take a kayak” supremacy
ninetiesceline Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) On 6/14/2022 at 2:50 AM, Truth Teller said: Not by me tbh I think one of the makings of a legend is to transcend generations. I'm not quite sure Celine is doing that. I mean... the streams of her biggest hits are ok-ish, but I get the impression that my generation only knows her vaguely and the one after ours doesn't know her at all as an artist. Certainly not in the same way they know Whitney, Mariah and Madonna. It has a lot to do with the fact that she's been promoting herself as a legacy act since 2000 whereas Madonna and Mariah were still kicking throughout that decade. But an act like her was also not commercially viable in the 2000's tbh. Of course I'm only judging based on my environment and experiences so... maybe I'm wrong you really can't be saying all these with a xtina avi lmao Céline (an artist who debuted in 1990 internationally) released “Encore Un Soir” album in 2016, debuted at No. 1 in France with 218.6k first week sales, both the lead single & album went DIAMOND and became the 5th best-selling album by a female artist of 2016 globally. Its first week sales in France sold more than those pop girlie's album in the US (despite France being 6× smaller market than the US). Take note, that's her 19th studio album since 1990. Some artists stopped selling in their 9th album ? Edited June 18, 2022 by ninetiesceline
gab00 Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) On 6/13/2022 at 2:36 PM, Love Again said: Inspired by this thread where no one seems to mention that they’ve listened to one of her albums in full. And yes, ATRL only represents a certain demographic and not the GP, but it is telling that a lot of people dont really know her discography outside of her big hits. Aside from that, what is her impact, her influence? She has tons of sales, but record sales alone do not a legend make. You could say shes inspired tons of vocalists, but I’d argue that Whitney and Mariah played a larger role in that. With all that, what makes Celine a legend? What is her mark on pop culture, what is her artistic identity? I don't know how old are you but falling into you was among the biggest albums of the 90s. let's talk about love, too and she's probably like the best vocalist alive. period the only thing I don't like about her is how she always plays it safe Edited June 18, 2022 by gab00
abeille Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 She's literally the reason your faves are doing Vegas
Truth Teller Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, ninetiesceline said: you really can't be saying all these with a xtina avi lmao Céline (an artist who debuted in 1990 internationally) released “Encore Un Soir” album in 2016, debuted at No. 1 in France with 218.6k first week sales, both the lead single & album went DIAMOND and became the 5th best-selling album by a female artist of 2016 globally. Its first week sales in France sold more than those pop girlie's album in the US (despite France being 6× smaller market than the US). Take note, that's her 19th studio album since 1990. Some artists stopped selling in their 9th album ? I can say anything I want with any avi It's not like I said Christina is a legend and Celine isn't. So, Celine is a legend in France. This doesn't affect my comment about the new generation's interest and knowledge of Celine globally. Especially since you cited album sales, a type of success owed to older people, and that album is sitting at just above 50M Spotify streams with 15 tracks in 6 years No one's arguing Celine is unsuccessful. My question is regarding her status with the newer generations that were not present when she was selling millions of CD's 25 years ago. And, again, it's completely subjective. I can only speak on my environment, my city, my experiences etc
ninetiesceline Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, gab00 said: the only thing I don't like about her is how she always plays it safe
ninetiesceline Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Truth Teller said: I can say anything I want with any avi It's not like I said Christina is a legend and Celine isn't. So, Celine is a legend in France. This doesn't affect my comment about the new generation's interest and knowledge of Celine globally. Especially since you cited album sales, a type of success owed to older people, and that album is sitting at just above 50M Spotify streams with 15 tracks in 6 years No one's arguing Celine is unsuccessful. My question is regarding her status with the newer generations that were not present when she was selling millions of CD's 25 years ago. And, again, it's completely subjective. I can only speak on my environment, my city, my experiences etc This thread isn't about whether the 12 year old kids know a song of hers from 1998, it's about why she's considered a legend overall. Everything that she has done in the past 40 years is what makes her a legend. Céline has stood the test of time and managed to sustain longevity (that not everyone has). This goes the same for big legacy acts like Elvis Presley (3rd best-selling artist of all time), you can't really expect most 10 yr olds know him at all but does that mean he is any less of a legend? make it make sense. Also, claiming she's unknown to the newer generation is absurd cause her songs are mostly used by kids in singing competitions, plus It's All Coming Back To Me Now literally just trended on TikTok earlier this year. Edited June 18, 2022 by ninetiesceline
theweekend Posted June 18, 2022 Posted June 18, 2022 well, when she outsang Aretha in divas live she cemented her legendary status. no one can deny that.
Elusive Chanteuse Posted June 19, 2022 Posted June 19, 2022 She is the least impactful of the vocal trinity but she is definitely a legend. She has been able to maintain her voice and touring power compared to Whitney and Mariah.
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