Archetype Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Protocol said: I just don't think it's progressive to refuse to admit whether or not you're into men. I don't think that's what he was doing at all, but we can agree to disagree on that. 2 minutes ago, Protocol said: Saying that you are gay or bi should not have to be a dirty topic that you don't want to admit to. 100% agree
Into The Void Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, VOSS said: The essays literally people are writing dissertations on this subject
Trent W Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 I got lost with so many essays. I personally hate labels, sexuality is a spectrum and we all fall in some area. I don’t understand the need to label every area and everything. It’s already confusing. But I also think some people have that need for some reason, and those are the ones complaining about Harry. That might be why this is so controversial.
Into The Void Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Protocol said: This is another problem with this thread and the discourse surrounding all these conversations. What exactly is 'queer', in this context? Perhaps that explains some of the confusion about whether people are talking about how he dresses or his specific vague statement on his sexuality. Maybe for some people the way you dress can automatically make you 'queer'. I keep mentoning "gay" or "bi" because that's what the interview question that spawned this was about. I myself don't know what 'queer' means half the time. I am a gay man, that's all I know. I 100% agrree I never call myself queer but gay,
More Than A Melody Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 54 minutes ago, lovedaddy said: If that's what you got from a post that included donating millions of dollars to LGBT youth, then god bless you on your journey. 1 hour ago, Headlock said: ...every person I've talked to in here supports Harry, what By *checks notes* dating white girls and writing songs about them. Yep, pretty queer. Once again, Harry stans referring to actual concerns and frustrations as us "dragging" him. It's becoming clear that none of y'all can approach this subject outside of the rose-colored stan glasses y'all permanently have glued to your faces. *Sings along to As It Was on the radio* sorry what did you say? *gestures at you literally @-ing the mods in the very thread and in the other one* Have a nice day.
Headlock Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Miichael said: Not you talking about mythologization when your entire argument rests on the hope that Harry Styles absolutely cannot possibly be queer despite having no way of knowing You really are completely hilarious and lack any sense of self awareness DO you know what the concept of burden of proof is? You are the one making the claim, therefore the burden to provide proof of your claim is on you. And you have none. 1 hour ago, Miichael said: During your ongoing tantrum you have literally made claims such as "hinting at queerness" by "winking at the camera" and you seriously think you have a shred of credibility? You think that you get to lecture anybody on education on queer history, when clearly you lack any experience in the real world and all of your information comes from random books you scramble to find on Google? "look at this guy, his knowledge comes from books!!1!" This is a Trumpian level reaction to education 1 hour ago, Miichael said: You still cannot handle the fact that you don't get to define who is queer and who isn't based on if they have come out or not, and I think ultimately that's where our opinions differ massively. You think you are entitled to know someone's sexual orientation because of how they dress. That may be an opinion you find mirrored in sheltered people online who think that the queer community is a monolith and that they speak on behalf of all queer people, but it's not the way it works in the real world. I am sorry to be the one to inform you of this, it clearly has come as quite a shock to you. And nobody said those artists are pretending to be queer for profit, but they have absolutely marketed themselves to the queer community for commercial gain. So your argument is rooted in deep hypocrisy. And again, you are confusing a male wearing a dress as "pretending to be queer", but don't understand that queer people don't own dresses, and all you are doing is using antiquated stereotypes to try to bolster an argument you couldn't even make in the first place. The "dress" has basically become a straw man in this thread, because time and time again it has been said his ******* dress doesn't matter. This further underscores that you are not listening, you are not trying to educate yourself, you are reaching a conclusion and then looking for evidence, when it is supposed to be the other way around. And to this tidbit: 1 hour ago, Miichael said: You still cannot handle the fact that you don't get to define who is queer and who isn't based on if they have come out or not a) I have not once said that. I want you to directly quote me where I did, b) a queer person who has not come out is still queer. A straight person is not. 1 hour ago, Miichael said: And not another link to a Wikipedia article You really love to use Wikipedia to try and appear psuedo-intellectual, don't you? Unfortunately it's not working. At all Now please find some way of moving on from this because your meltdowns aren't as entertaining as they were a day ago Are... are you now denying the existence of the concept of psychological projection? The Wikipedia article was to your benefit since it is easy to understand and accessible. Would you rather I link to the tens of thousands of scholarly articles, books, lectures, and scholastic textbooks on the subject Your continued obstinance to any form of information being presented to you is honestly astounding. Pathological, even. How did you react when your parents told you Santa wasn't real?
Headlock Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: Have a nice day. I see we have now entered the fifth stage of grief
Abracadabra Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Headlock said: DO you know what the concept of burden of proof is? You are the one making the claim, therefore the burden to provide proof of your claim is on you. And you have none. "look at this guy, his knowledge comes from books!!1!" This is a Trumpian level reaction to education The "dress" has basically become a straw man in this thread, because time and time again it has been said his ******* dress doesn't matter. This further underscores that you are not listening, you are not trying to educate yourself, you are reaching a conclusion and then looking for evidence, when it is supposed to be the other way around. And to this tidbit: a) I have not once said that. I want you to directly quote me where I did, b) a queer person who has not come out is still queer. A straight person is not. Are... are you now denying the existence of the concept of psychological projection? The Wikipedia article was to your benefit since it is easy to understand and accessible. Would you rather I link to the tens of thousands of scholarly articles, books, lectures, and scholastic textbooks on the subject Your continued obstinance to any form of information being presented to you is honestly astounding. Pathological, even. How did you react when your parents told you Santa wasn't real? This is going around in circles and watching you bend over backwards and scramble is just boring at this point. You aren't even providing a debate that is stimulating or though provoking. I've also been made aware in this thread that you have a reputation on this forum for being aggressive and unreasonable, so I no longer think you are worth my time in discussing this further. So I'll let you argue with the wall
More Than A Melody Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, Headlock said: I see we have now entered the fifth stage of grief I truly feel terrible for you and hope things get better. This level of aggressiveness/passive-aggressiveness over strangers is not normal. From the bottom of my heart, I wish you to recover from whatever is making you act this way.
Headlock Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 54 minutes ago, Miichael said: This is going around in circles and watching you bend over backwards and scramble is just boring at this point. You aren't even providing a debate that is stimulating or though provoking. You have already admitted to not reading anything I'm providing to you, and now you want to critique my debate abilities 55 minutes ago, Miichael said: I've also been made aware in this thread that you have a reputation on this forum for being aggressive and unreasonable, so I no longer think you are worth my time in discussing this further. So I'll let you argue with the wall Harry stans tell fellow Harry apologist that that guy is a big meany for actually proving his points and not letting us get our kiis in I realize the pool I'm drawing from is skewed by default, but every single Harry Styles stan I have encountered on this website has the emotional intelligence of a 12 year old.
Into The Void Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 Reading this thread that one swiftie is literally insufferable I feel sorry for their loves ones
Abracadabra Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Headlock said: You have already admitted to not reading anything I'm providing to you, and now you want to critique my debate abilities Harry stans tell fellow Harry apologist that that guy is a big meany for actually proving his points and not letting us get our kiis in I realize the pool I'm drawing from is skewed by default, but every single Harry Styles stan I have encountered on this website has the emotional intelligence of a 12 year old. Sis you've been getting dragged and cleared by several members for over 24 hours now, it's time to call it a day. Find something productive, anything, and do that
Headlock Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 51 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: I truly feel terrible for you and hope things get better. This level of aggressiveness/passive-aggressiveness over strangers is not normal. From the bottom of my heart, I wish you to recover from whatever is making you act this way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_bias
Into The Void Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Miichael said: This is going around in circles and watching you bend over backwards and scramble is just boring at this point. You aren't even providing a debate that is stimulating or though provoking. I've also been made aware in this thread that you have a reputation on this forum for being aggressive and unreasonable, so I no longer think you are worth my time in discussing this further. So I'll let you argue with the wall Agree I've seen this aggressive behavior in so many threads
Headlock Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 Just now, Miichael said: Sis you've been getting dragged and cleared by several members for over 24 hours now, it's time to call it a day. Find something productive, anything, and do that ...I know you're not reading my comments, but are you reading anything in this thread Two Harry stans, and whatever the hell you are, throwing a tantrum that your "arguments" fell to pieces under critique by numerous others in here is not "being cleared"
Abracadabra Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Insanity said: Agree I've seen this aggressive behavior in so many threads I haven't noticed them, but it doesn't surprise me as their behavior is clearly unhinged
Headlock Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Insanity said: Agree I've seen this aggressive behavior in so many threads Where's the BBQ Karen jpg when you need it.
Abracadabra Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Headlock said: ...I know you're not reading my comments, but are you reading anything in this thread Two Harry stans, and whatever the hell you are, throwing a tantrum that your "arguments" fell to pieces under critique by numerous others in here is not "being cleared" Okay sweetie, if that will help you sleep at night, we'll go with that!
Into The Void Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Miichael said: I haven't noticed them, but it doesn't surprise me as their behavior is clearly unhinged i can pinpoint a few but I'm too lazy
Headlock Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Miichael said: I haven't noticed them, but it doesn't surprise me as their behavior is clearly unhinged How Harry stans view the "real world" they keep referring to or whatever: Unhinged behavior: valid criticism, citations of articles, books, and various other sources to back up said criticism, using historical context in debate Normal behavior: Pretending a straight white male is a victim of queer people, throws tantrums when faced with information that goes against their worldview
More Than A Melody Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Miichael said: Okay sweetie, if that will help you sleep at night, we'll go with that! It's truly textbook definition of highschool bullies, which is depressing considering this person is claiming to be an adult man. I propose not replying and engaging anymore. I know I won't be giving him the time of day. Edited April 28, 2022 by More Than A Melody
Headlock Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 Just now, Insanity said: i can pinpoint a few but I'm too lazy Screaming that this thread has evolved into an ad hominem attack because y'all have run out of arguments
Abracadabra Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Insanity said: i can pinpoint a few but I'm too lazy Just now, More Than A Melody said: It's truly textbook definition of highschool bullies, which is depressing considering this person is claiming to be an adult man. The way they are still firing off The meltdown that never ends. I have to laugh
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