base talk why are swifties so pressed at adele

[Cleanromantic]

Taylor is always the main event on atrl , we love to see it. Not this easily outlasting the thread about 30 leaving the top 50 after 20 weeks .

[WildHeart]

59 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Except the argument wasn't "which artist is bigger" it was which artists are currently outselling Taylor Swift with their current projects. 

You didn’t mention anything about "current projects". You claimed these artists are outselling Taylor. Your exact words, 

13 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

A lot of people don't need to "hide behind Adele" anyway, since multiple of our faves are currently outselling Taylor. 

 

12 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

My point was that Harry, Olivia, Abel, Dua, Billie, Drake, Ed, are all outselling Taylor right now, so why would we need to hide behind Adele? Makes no sense 

They might not have Taylor's career, but they're outselling her

 

Although i am wishing everyone the best of luck at dragging Taylor because CLB, Equals and HTE are charting higher than Evermore in weekly basis when Taylor is getting more streams, selling more, charting more albums than them during same weeks. 

I don't know why didn't the rest of ATRL consider that before but i am sure it will work very well. 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Artistofthedecade

[Feanor]

What you actually said, yes:

9 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Their

Current

Projects

Are

Outselling

Her

Current

Projects

 

What you then said, with which you completely contradict your previous point:

10 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

The point is: Taylor Swift is *currently* being outsold by *multiple* artists

 

What you then also said earlier:

12 hours ago, More Than A Melody said:

My point was that Harry, Olivia, Abel, Dua, Billie, Drake, Ed, are all outselling Taylor right now, so why would we need to hide behind Adele?

 

Maybe you should stick to one narrative, wouldn't you say?

 

Right now and currently, Taylor Swift isn't being outsold by anyone not named BTS.

Maybe you meant evermore tho, in which case I some news for you: Her artist name is Taylor Swift and not evermore.

 

[Rodrighost]

They can't stand the idea of another female being more successful than Taylor. Weird behaviour tbh.

[More Than A Melody]

26 minutes ago, Feanor said:

What you actually said, yes:

 

What you then said, with which you completely contradict your previous point:

 

What you then also said earlier:

 

Maybe you should stick to one narrative, wouldn't you say?

 

Right now and currently, Taylor Swift isn't being outsold by anyone not named BTS.

Maybe you meant evermore tho, in which case I some news for you: Her artist name is Taylor Swift and not evermore.

 

 

33 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

You didn’t mention anything about "current projects". You claimed these artists are outselling Taylor. Your exact words, 

 

 

Although i am wishing everyone the best of luck at dragging Taylor because CLB, Equals and HTE are charting higher than Evermore in weekly basis when Taylor is getting more streams, selling more, charting more albums than them during same weeks. 

I don't know why didn't the rest of ATRL consider that before but i am sure it will work very well. 

Both of you doing semantics gymnastics when I clarified BEFORE you replied:

40 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

 

"but Taylor sold more of her back catalogue in current years" is just a play on semantics. "Taylor is being outsold" means that multiple albums in 2019 were bigger than Lover, and multple albums in 2020 were bigger than Folklore and Evermore, and so forth, it's just exhausting to have to clarify this over and over. Her career is bigger. That covers it. NO ONE SAYS OTHERWISE

 

Is actually very very entertaining.

 

Project to project Taylor is very very very beatable and is being beaten by a lot of artists. So why would we need to "hide behind Adele"? 

That's all I'm saying. You have now successfully spent about 5 pages beating around the bush on this. No one could "hide behind Adele" before with the stats you showed us. And no one needs to "hide behind Adele" project to project. So.... people were not "hiding" behind Adele then? 

 

Interesting. So you were just bitter that Adele was casting a shadow above Taylor for basically her entire career and are now lashing out? Wow. Crazy!

[Yog]

1 hour ago, Redstreak said:

Then STOP engaging in it

Like wise for you…

[Feanor]

2 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Both of you doing semantics gymnastics when I clarified BEFORE you replied:

Is actually very very entertaining.

 

Project to project Taylor is very very very beatable and is being beaten by a lot of artists. So why would we need to "hide behind Adele"? 

That's all I'm saying. You have now successfully spent about 5 pages beating around the bush on this. No one could "hide behind Adele" before with the stats you showed us. And no one needs to "hide behind Adele" project to project. So.... people were not "hiding" behind Adele then? 

 

Interesting. So you were just bitter that Adele was casting a shadow above Taylor for basically her entire career and are now lashing out? Wow. Crazy!

You're the one to talk about semantic gymnastics when you keep switching your narrative again from who's the bigger artist to a project-to-project comparison. 

 

Let's look at at an actual play on semantics:

52 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

"Taylor is being outsold" means that multiple albums in 2019 were bigger than Lover, and multple albums in 2020 were bigger than Folklore and Evermore, and so forth, it's just exhausting to have to clarify this over and over. Her career is bigger. That covers it. NO ONE SAYS OTHERWISE)

True gymnastics is when someone refers to Taylor Swift the artist and says she "is being outsold" and then proceeds to use some chart data about albums, instead of actually using the artist chart that's relevant for the statement given.

 

Maybe moving forward, you can do a separate thread about you own little comparison points, but until then, Taylor Swift wasn't outsold by anyone in 2019 and "is being outsold" by BTS only in 2020 and 2021, and not by Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish, Post Malone or Harry Styles. 

 

[Redstreak]

8 minutes ago, Yog said:

Like wise for you…

I’m not the one talking about how dumb it is, I’ll gladly continue reading folks 

[WildHeart]

41 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Project to project Taylor is very very very beatable and is being beaten by a lot of artists. So why would we need to "hide behind Adele"? 

Because she was the only solo artist left who could still move more units than Taylor(which was not the case with other artists you listed) and end up as the biggest solo artist of the year (which could make her first artist not named Taylor in the last 3 years) like she did multiple times before. But she failed to do that even if everyone expected otherwise. 

And not only that but she could become the most consumed artist of century (surpassing Taylor) if 30 was another 21/25 sized era. 

Neither did happen so that's why some people trying with different narratives like "project to project" now. 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Artistofthedecade

[Yog]

11 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

I’m not the one talking about how dumb it is, I’ll gladly continue reading folks 

Who said that.. because I’m seeing the other around when it comes to you in arguments 

 

Im about over it, Adele & Taylor are the biggest female artists of this generation.

 

1. Taylor haters need to stop using Adele’s name to drag Taylor because it’s obvious fact Swifties are the most fragile fandom around and they seem to can’t defend Taylor without dragging Adele into it, it’s not that hard

 

2. With that being said, Swifties need to stop coming for Adele because of her being the only remotely female artist in Taylor’s level..

Edited April 18, 2022 by Yog

[More Than A Melody]

9 minutes ago, Feanor said:

You're the one to talk about semantic gymnastics when you keep switching your narrative again from who's the bigger artist to a project-to-project comparison. 

 

Let's look at at an actual play on semantics:

True gymnastics is when someone refers to Taylor Swift the artist and says she "is being outsold" and then proceeds to use some chart data about albums, instead of actually using the artist chart that's relevant for the statement given.

 

Maybe moving forward, you can do a separate thread about you own little comparison points, but until then, Taylor Swift wasn't outsold by anyone in 2019 and "is being outsold" by BTS only in 2020 and 2021, and not by Olivia Rodrigo, Billie Eilish, Post Malone or Harry Styles. 

 

I NEVER SAID THEY WERE BIGGER ARTISTS THAN HER THIS IS SO FUNNY. I literally said OVER AND OVER AND OVER that it was CURRENTLY. Just because I didn't clarify "Hollywood's Bleeding Fine Line and WWAFFDKFS outsold Lover" on every message doesn't erase the fact that I said they'll never have her career over and over and over. 

 

With this argument, Taylor Swift the artist was outsold by 10+ artists in 2013, by 2 artists in 2015, by 10+ artists in 2016, by 2 artists in 2017, by 10+ artists in 2018... so she's not "the music industry" if out of 8 years that the chart has existed she was completely out of it on 3, didn't top it another 3, and only topped it twice. If this is the chart that defines all charts, then why do we bother with all the other metrics? BTS is the biggest musical artist nowadays. We can all pack up the forum and retire.

 

The POINT of this thread was, I'll remind you: "why are Swifties so pressed at Adele" multiple of which replied "because people hide behind Adele to drag Taylor". How did people "hide behind Adele to drag Taylor" when we've had this chart since 2013 and Adele only topped it ONCE in 2015? Wouldn't it make more sense to "hide behind Drake", who has been present on every single one of these charts since 2015 (included)? Or BTS?

 

Your claim that "people hide behind Adele to drag Taylor" was ALWAYS based on a project to project basis. Taylor has been on top of Adele on IFPI since... 2014. And on CSPC since like, 2020 but you only started dragging Adele after 30 didn't do as well as expected. Because this is not about "other stans hiding behind Adele" this is about Adele being considered the biggest female artist of this generation the entire time Taylor was popular. So the one time her album doesn't SMASH, you RUN to drag her, using "other stans" as an excuse.

 

That was my point. The fact that you keep ignoring it is just telling.

[Redstreak]

19 minutes ago, Yog said:

Who said that.. because I’m seeing the other around when it comes to you in arguments 

 

Im about over it, Adele & Taylor are the biggest female artists of this generation.

 

1. Taylor haters need to stop using Adele’s name to drag Taylor because it’s obvious fact Swifties are the most fragile fandom around and they seem to can’t defend Taylor without dragging Adele into it, it’s not that hard

 

2. With that being said, Swifties need to stop coming for Adele because of her being the only remotely female artist in Taylor’s level..

As ATRLs resident pronoun corrector I’m very sure that *is* how you see it luv

[Cloröx]

30 minutes ago, Yog said:

Who said that.. because I’m seeing the other around when it comes to you in arguments 

 

Im about over it, Adele & Taylor are the biggest female artists of this generation.

 

1. Taylor haters need to stop using Adele’s name to drag Taylor because it’s obvious fact Swifties are the most fragile fandom around and they seem to can’t defend Taylor without dragging Adele into it, it’s not that hard

 

2. With that being said, Swifties need to stop coming for Adele because of her being the only remotely female artist in Taylor’s level..

Repent, forgive and forget 

[Yog]

6 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

Repent, forgive and forget 

Inb4 I see you make an tired Adele comment or thread literally hours later, I don’t trust you at all…

[WildHeart]

45 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

I NEVER SAID THEY WERE BIGGER ARTISTS THAN HER THIS IS SO FUNNY. I literally said OVER AND OVER AND OVER that it was CURRENTLY. 

And that would still be wrong since they are not outselling her currently either, even in 2022, daily. 

Her career, her streams or sales in past is totally irrelevant in this conversation when we are talking about her units in 2022. 

Just like i mentioned before, 1989's 4M daily streams today are part of her popularity today, CURRENTLY. 

And as he already said, 

2 hours ago, Feanor said:

But when you say stuff like "X artist is bigger than Y artist", then we have to look at yes, their entire catalog because the popularity of the artist is not defined by their current project, but by how their music in its entirety performs. The consumption units an artist gets from January-December is a direct reflection of that popularity and of which artists are the biggest.

There's a reason why IFPI made their artist chart their top chart and why they include all units.

If an average listener listened to an artist's old album from a decade ago in 2021, that's a sign of that artists popularity in 2021.

 

So yes, Billie Eilish and Post Malone had bigger albums than Taylor Swift in 2019. However Taylor Swift was still the bigger artist nonetheless in that year. So when you ask, who was bigger in 2019, the factual answer is Taylor Swift.

 

"Taylor has been on top of Adele on IFPI since... 2014." 

 

 

Although i am wishing you the best of luck at dragging Taylor because CLB, Equals and HTE are charting higher than Evermore in weekly basis when Taylor is getting more streams, selling more, charting more albums than them during same weeks. 

I don't know why didn't the rest of ATRL consider that before but i am sure it will work very well. [2]

Edited April 18, 2022 by Artistofthedecade

[Yog]

22 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

As ATRLs resident pronoun corrector I’m very sure that *is* how you see it luv

This comment pretty much proves my point, but carry on babes ❤️

[Cloröx]

1 minute ago, Yog said:

Inb4 I see you make an tired Adele comment or thread literally hours later, I don’t trust you at all…

The lashings will be less after this but I can't accept the fact that she abandoned To Be Loved over that garbage OMG 

[Yog]

1 minute ago, Cloröx said:

The lashings will be less after this but I can't accept the fact that she abandoned To Be Loved over that garbage OMG 

Coming from the stan who’s fave made that abysmal ME!  You have no room to talk at the slightest.

[Cloröx]

1 minute ago, Yog said:

Coming from the stan who’s fave made that abysmal ME!  You have no room to talk at the slightest.

I don't need your permission, stop gatekeeping!

[AlexStexaul]

taylor swift is someone cant get hits world wide and almost all popular artist has at least one song that is bigger than any taylor swift song. 

 

thats why taylor fans always so mad. 

 

[Feanor]

54 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

I NEVER SAID THEY WERE BIGGER ARTISTS THAN HER THIS IS SO FUNNY. I literally said OVER AND OVER AND OVER that it was CURRENTLY. Just because I didn't clarify "Hollywood's Bleeding Fine Line and WWAFFDKFS outsold Lover" on every message doesn't erase the fact that I said they'll never have her career over and over and over. 

And I am talking about CURRENTLY too, as current as just last year.

No one is using stats or data from a decade ago. 

 

What you fail to understand that Hollywood's Bleeding or WWAFAWDG outselling Lover and Taylor Swift outselling Post Malone and Billie Eilish are two completely different topics.

You in your own words said that "Billie destroyed Taylor" in 2019, clearly talking on an artist-to-artist basis level, before switching gears to a completely separate project-to-project discussion.

CURRENTLY, using consumption from 2021 and 2021 only, none of those artists are outselling Taylor Swift, full stop.

 

54 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

With this argument, Taylor Swift the artist was outsold by 10+ artists in 2013, by 2 artists in 2015, by 10+ artists in 2016, by 2 artists in 2017, by 10+ artists in 2018... so she's not "the music industry" if out of 8 years that the chart has existed she was completely out of it on 3, didn't top it another 3, and only topped it twice. If this is the chart that defines all charts, then why do we bother with all the other metrics? BTS is the biggest musical artist nowadays. We can all pack up the forum and retire.

And indeed she was outsold in those years and yes, BTS is the biggest musical act CURRENTLY.

So what now? 

 

And no need to bring up the "music industry" talk here when 1. It was a title given to her by a publication with no correlation whatsoever to IFPI chart rankings and 2. I didn't even bring it up in this thread so maybe you should snap out of your own little bubble and stick to what I said right here.

 

54 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

The POINT of this thread was, I'll remind you: "why are Swifties so pressed at Adele" multiple of which replied "because people hide behind Adele to drag Taylor". How did people "hide behind Adele to drag Taylor" when we've had this chart since 2013 and Adele only topped it ONCE in 2015? Wouldn't it make more sense to "hide behind Drake", who has been present on every single one of these charts since 2015 (included)? Or BTS?

Maybe you should direct this question at those exact people who did hide behind Adele right around the time when '30' dropped. Because there are plenty of people (who suspiciously are now MIA) who did use Adele to come for Taylor. They could tell you why they picked Adele and not anyone else. 

 

54 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Your claim that "people hide behind Adele to drag Taylor" was ALWAYS based on a project to project basis. Taylor has been on top of Adele on IFPI since... 2014. And on CSPC since like, 2020 but you only started dragging Adele after 30 didn't do as well as expected. Because this is not about "other stans hiding behind Adele" this is about Adele being considered the biggest female artist of this generation the entire time Taylor was popular. So the one time her album doesn't SMASH, you RUN to drag her, using "other stans" as an excuse.

Please show me where I claimed that people hid behind Adele by doing it on a "project-to-project" basis?

Or tell me where I "started dragging" Adele? I don't see me shading Adele in any posts here so surely I must've skipped those posts since there's no way you would say I'm dragging Adele with no evidence, right?

Unless of course, you're just making up things and putting words into my mouth, in which case I can only tell you again to stick to what I said [2] 

 

54 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

That was my point. The fact that you keep ignoring it is just telling.

Interesting how your points are 1. refusing to accept official artist based charts and coming up with own self-made narratives of how the biggest artists "CURRENTLY" are defined by their projects from a self-defined time period and 2. coming up with non-existent statements and using them to accuse me of something not based in reality.

 

It's very telling indeed, but more so about you and the way you "think". 

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Feanor

[Yog]

Just now, Cloröx said:

I don't need your permission, stop gatekeeping!

YOU DO IT TO ME TOO! 

[Cloröx]

1 minute ago, Yog said:

YOU DO IT TO ME TOO! 

????????

[Selegend]

idk, it's a silly stanwar. 

 

Adele is more respected by the industry around the world even if it's arguable that she'sreally bigger since taylor is huge and also very respected

 

but it's silly cuz Adele would never release a ME! or other bad pop single taylor already had released in her career and that's what makes that feel that Adele is more respected than Taylor but at the same time taylor has been a POP STAR and had eras with iconic POP singles like 1989 something that won't happen to Adele..... so it's silly, their career is very different. (21 had a lot of SMASHS, but i'm talking iconic pop singles like with pop visuals, well produced MVs and stuff)

Edited April 18, 2022 by Selegend

[supertiffany]

2 minutes ago, Selegend said:

idk, it's a silly stanwar. 

 

Adele is more respected by the industry around the world even if it's arguable that she'sreally bigger since taylor is huge and also very respected

 

but it's silly cuz Adele would never release a ME! or other bad pop single taylor already had released in her career and that's what makes that feel that Adele is more respected than Taylor but at the same time taylor has been a POP STAR and had eras with iconic POP singles like 1989 something that won't happen to Adele..... so it's silly, their career is very different. 

 

Taylor has to work 5x harder than the effortless Adele which makes the swifties so mad, because Adele can sleep after releasing an album with QUALITY songs

Adele never resorted to gimmicks or being a sellout and never used drama

it's all about the music