Virgos Groove Posted July 5 Posted July 5 Stones from glass houses, I know, but wow you guys have such a stupid electoral system. 3
DAP Posted July 5 Posted July 5 Unless Labour miraculously disavows their corporate agenda, I have no expectation for them. 1
Jack! Posted July 5 Posted July 5 5 hours ago, Chemist said: This is crazy, not really a democracy The issue is with constituency seat voting, not with the system being first-past-the-post. You could argue we should delegate the amount of MP's each party has based on the percentage of what they win in the popular vote, but that becomes restricting in a 650 seat country and puts local areas at risk of being misgoverned. A single transferable vote system while arguably more insightful, given the results of yesterday, would have possibly given room for more seats to be given to parties like Reform and the SNP. I don't think there's a perfect voting system for Westminster anymore. The country (as in the UK as a whole) has become pretty undemocratic because of devolution, ironically. I guess the hope is when you have Labour having the majority in 3 out of 4 of the nations, the feel of need for devolution won't be there. Also, maybe if the other 40% of the voting public went out yesterday and voted the result wouldn't feel so undemocratic.
KFC Posted July 5 Posted July 5 My shits are finally becoming more solid again thank god Bit taken aback at how sucessful Reform was but I suppose I shouldn't be shocked at anything the people in this country do
Eat The Acid Posted July 5 Posted July 5 Labour sweeper! They know how the electoral system works and they played the game well.
sunbathinganimal Posted July 5 Posted July 5 43 minutes ago, Burn said: Not the Torygraph struggling to cope shut up Annabel
discreetinside Posted July 5 Posted July 5 6 minutes ago, abelfenty said: Not Reform winning a 5th seat And with 98 votes majority As soon as I saw some tweet saying they're getting lead around 120 votes on recount they're gonna bag it. At least it's the final number for them as the only undeclared seat left are the battle between LD & SNP
John Slayne Posted July 5 Posted July 5 41 minutes ago, discreetinside said: And with 98 votes majority As soon as I saw some tweet saying they're getting lead around 120 votes on recount they're gonna bag it. At least it's the final number for them as the only undeclared seat left are the battle between LD & SNP it's because of Lana Del Rey, who stood for Greens I'm actually here for this. Greens peeling off Labour vote in this election is fine, more than fine if you really think about it. Whether Reform has 4 or 5 MPs makes no difference, Labour won a big majority regardless. They need to feel the pressure from the left. The same thing happened in Beverley, where the vote was split between Labour and Greens and that enabled Tories to retain the seat. Labour will need to look at this if they don't want to flop at the next election. Greens are on the rise, they will most likely target the other Bristol seats at the next election. Labour needs to be more progressive if they want that vote!
ZeroSuitBritney Posted July 5 Posted July 5 I read that the majority of people who voted Labour did so to get rid of the Conservatives and not necessarily because they actually want the Labour party.... It's giving Democrats + Biden
John Slayne Posted July 5 Posted July 5 as much as i've been talking sh*t about Labour, I have to admit that I am sad that Emily Brothers lost her race. she is the first openly transgender person to stand for Labour as a candidate and that alone would make her an amazing addition to the parliament. she has a long history of campaigning for disability rights (she's blind) and queer liberation 3
John Slayne Posted July 5 Posted July 5 2 hours ago, ZeroSuitBritney said: I read that the majority of people who voted Labour did so to get rid of the Conservatives and not necessarily because they actually want the Labour party.... It's giving Democrats + Biden and even then the popular vote was not that impressive... Starmer will get trounced in 2029
ZeroSuitBritney Posted July 5 Posted July 5 47 minutes ago, John Slayne said: and even then the popular vote was not that impressive... Starmer will get trounced in 2029 Daddy Corbyn should've been the PM
glitch Posted July 5 Posted July 5 Can someone explain to me why Jess Philips got so much heckling when she won? I saw people saying it was about Israel and Gaza, but I thought she voted against the party line on the humanitarian pauses vs ceasefire debate?
Miracle Whip Posted July 5 Posted July 5 6 hours ago, Burn said: Not the Torygraph struggling to cope Keir a socialist?
MatiRod Posted July 6 Posted July 6 They need to pass laws to enforce new rent protections, particularly in London. I live in Vancouver, and while it's also become hideously unaffordable, the rental protections are incredible and allow myself and many others to not be suffering like so many people in London. It's extremely hard for me to get evicted, and they can't increase my rent more than 3% per year. London needs something similar, the situation there is destroying lives. 1
Gwendolyn Posted July 6 Posted July 6 The past 24 hours have been decent, we have a Justice Minister who has actually worked in Prisons have done amazing things to help rehabilitate the inmates. Starting to feel much better than yesterday morning. Also 1
John Slayne Posted July 6 Posted July 6 41 minutes ago, Gwendolyn said: The past 24 hours have been decent, we have a Justice Minister who has actually worked in Prisons have done amazing things to help rehabilitate the inmates. Starting to feel much better than yesterday morning. Also Hopefully the new Prisons Minister can sort out the current crisis in prisons. I work in criminal justice and prisons have been FULL for so long now. it's really dire
discreetinside Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) No Blue in inner London constituencies for the first time we love to see it Edited July 6 by discreetinside
ZeroSuitBritney Posted July 6 Posted July 6 The way Reform is going to destroy everyone in the next elections once the Tories jump ship and align with them...
John Slayne Posted July 7 Posted July 7 On 7/5/2024 at 10:21 PM, glitch said: Can someone explain to me why Jess Philips got so much heckling when she won? I saw people saying it was about Israel and Gaza, but I thought she voted against the party line on the humanitarian pauses vs ceasefire debate? she did, which probably saved her from losing the seat. i think she's just unpopular because she's so smug and was very open and vocal about wanting Labour to lose in 2017 and 2019. which is really crazy to think about that she was still allowed to stand as an MP despite campaigning against her own party, there is no way Starmer would allow an openly critical left-wing Labour candidate to stand. just goes to show how much grace JC had and that he respected democracy within the Labour party, which is something Kid Starver has yet to achieve.
MP3 Posted July 7 Posted July 7 For sure the numbers of seats they got is impressive and the fall of the Con is hard, but the winning is due to the fall of the Conservatives way more than the rise of the Labour, their sharing votes didn't move, they are always around the 30%, so they are a by-default winning party, getting the results they get due to the movements in the 60% population around them. I kinda like a lot of their promises tho, for a socialist left oriented party they make some great economical and social conservatives promises, they are more on the centre-right on some topics
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