Thuggin Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 Reminder that Biden was elected to work across the aisle but won't even take the effort to pressure Manchin and Sinema within his own party to support his supposed agenda. "Manchin is basically a Republican and wouldn't be elected otherwise." Manchin opposes these measures because of his LOBBYISTS, NOT HIS CONSTITUENTS! Also, wait, so you're saying that just wearing a (D) beside your name actually doesn't matter? But the left was told making sure Democrats are elected is the only thing we should care about, no matter how right wing they are?
Kassi Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 @frenchyisback, I honestly would love to see a debate between Real Bernie and Imaginary Bernie. On drones: Imaginary Bernie: Every life lost to a drone is a war crime. Real Bernie: Some drone deaths have been counterproductive. On immigration: Imaginary Bernie: Open borders! Real Bernie: Me and my good pal Chuck Grassley can't stand to see these banks hiring foreigners. On abortion: Imaginary Bernie: Womens right to choose is of the upmost importance! Real Bernie: Planned Parenthood is the establish and abortion rights are a distraction from the REAL issues. On crime: Imaginary Bernie: As long as a single soul remains in prison, none of us are free! Real Bernie: Lock them up! And let's fund the police while we're at it. On guns: Imaginary Bernie: My friends, it is time to abolish the second amendment! Real Bernie: Ok, but should gun manufacturers really be liable for mass shootings? Cut them some slack guys. On foreign policy: Imaginary Bernie: We must concern ourselves only with our country! We are not the world police! Real Bernie: Yeah, if China invades Taiwan all bets are off! He's whole ass different person in his supporter's heads. The vast majority of what they believe Bernie stands for is what they wish he stood for. 90% of his positions are that of a mainstream Democrat, save for his left-of-median views on healthcare and his right-wing views on immigration.
Kassi Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 39 minutes ago, Thuggin said: Okay PolitiFact. "Bernie doesn't LITERALLY decide what's on the paychecks of Amazon and Disney workers, therefore three Pinocchios!" Do you unironically believe the only measure of success of politicians is the pure number of bills that passed which they were the primary sponsor of? Also, you might want to re-check your list because a bunch of these I never even said. Bernie is on the veterans committee, is chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, serves on the Environment and Public Works Committee, is a member of the Energy and Resources Committee, and sits on the Health, Eduction, Labor, and Persons Committee, and he has influence beyond just sponsoring legislation. Bernie led rallies for Amazon and Disney workers, joined by veteran employees, and helped get the fights for minimum wage national attention. Bernie sent a letter to Obama in 2013 signed by 14 other senators in which he urged Obama to issue the executive order setting a minimum wage at $10.10 for federal contractors. Bernie has been maybe the central champion for a $15 minimum wage. Bernie introduced an amendment within Dodd-Frank to audit the emergency lending by the Federal Reserve during the financial crisis. Bernie DID lead an effort to keep the Postal Service from closing its plants, authored an amendment in 2015 putting 85 Senators on record against the closings, and then the Postal Service quietly backed off its plan. Bernie authored the Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013, which became law and increased benefits to certain disabled veterans, surviving spouses, and children of deceased veterans using the same percentage increase allocated to social security recipients. You can dismiss the power of a grassroots movement all you want. It is undeniable that Bernie inspired so many people to get politically involved who otherwise wouldn't have. The Overton window has shifted. Many progressive policy proposals, from Medicare For All to the Green New Deal to student debt cancellation, are popular among Americans, and it is only thanks to his efforts and the efforts of members of Congress he inspired to run for office in the first place. So many of these weren't even topics for discussion immediately prior to Bernie running for President the first time, and citing single payer being supported by some in the party decades ago is quite the dodge - no, I NEVER claimed Bernie literally invented the idea of single payer or was the only elected official to ever champion that cause prior to his campaign. Claiming Occupy is responsible for Bernie having a platform is just not true. The crash set the stage for both Occupy to happen and someone like Bernie to rally influence, you could possibly argue. Since you decided to bring up things like the US supported war in Yemen though, thank you for reminding me that Bernie vocally opposes that unlike many others in the party who would never support legislation to end our involvement! And that's supposed to be an argument against Bernie? That's an argument that the others should be primaried out and never elected to office again. I went straight to the source of the list: some reddit thread in a Bernie subreddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/dj36nu/my_friends_mom_says_that_bernie_hasnt_done/ Cause, to your credit, I wasn't willing to accept that you would put together such ridiculous claims. I knew it had to be crowd sourced and distorted from the wider Bernie movement. And sure enough, it was. Like I already laid out, some (very few) things in the list are true, some are stretched to take credit for things other people did, and some were flat out lies. The point is, he's a very MEDIOCRE and AVERAGE liberal legislator. Not this Eugene Debs (socialist)/John Brown (abolitionist) hybrid ya'll have constructed in your heads. In reality, no one in US government has done more to push progressive legislation (across all issues) forward than Nancy Pelosi.
Communion Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Fun game! Everyone post your yearly income, job title, and if you like Bernie or not. $42,000 Graphic Designer I like Bernie because so few speak on the realities of the kind of generational poverty I grew up in. He is the only one speaking on the need for free college, M4A and debt forgiveness. Even when now making more than either of my parents ever did and feeling so privileged despite so many others having more, he speaks to the struggles impacting me having to supplement income for a disabled parent and be the head of household for your family as the only college grad. I imagine that's why all those issues are the top priorities amongst the voting population and not things like Russia, January 6th, or other nonsense. Your turn! @Kassi @frenchyisback Edited July 15, 2022 by Communion
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 We need to get Ronald Reagan out of office
Kassi Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 Three votes on abortion bills in 5 months 02/28 05/11 07/15 Literally no one works harder than Nancy's House.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 Passing performative messaging bills that have no chance of passing the Senate is not “working hard.” If the Democrats REALLY wanted to show how out of step Republicans are, there’d be a bill that would allow abortions up to 15 weeks as a standard, and allow states to set their restrictions from there. That would be the status quo from Roe and is what most of the country has supported. Thing is, that likely wouldn’t become law either, but forcing Republicans to filibuster it would at least show how out of step they are. Instead, they’re virtue signaling with bills for unrestricted abortions that most of the country doesn’t even support (with third trimester abortions having close to the same approval as total bans). As time passes and the Democrats either with nothing to show for their pitiful efforts (thanks to Joe Biden’s complete lack of leadership), more restrictive bans become normalized and commonplace, support for those will rise as people become adjusted to the new status quo and abortion rights will become even more unpopular. Kind of like how support for LGBT rights is also backsliding in America.
GhostBox Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Kassi said: @frenchyisback, I honestly would love to see a debate between Real Bernie and Imaginary Bernie. On drones: Imaginary Bernie: Every life lost to a drone is a war crime. Real Bernie: Some drone deaths have been counterproductive. On immigration: Imaginary Bernie: Open borders! Real Bernie: Me and my good pal Chuck Grassley can't stand to see these banks hiring foreigners. On abortion: Imaginary Bernie: Womens right to choose is of the upmost importance! Real Bernie: Planned Parenthood is the establish and abortion rights are a distraction from the REAL issues. On crime: Imaginary Bernie: As long as a single soul remains in prison, none of us are free! Real Bernie: Lock them up! And let's fund the police while we're at it. On guns: Imaginary Bernie: My friends, it is time to abolish the second amendment! Real Bernie: Ok, but should gun manufacturers really be liable for mass shootings? Cut them some slack guys. On foreign policy: Imaginary Bernie: We must concern ourselves only with our country! We are not the world police! Real Bernie: Yeah, if China invades Taiwan all bets are off! He's whole ass different person in his supporter's heads. The vast majority of what they believe Bernie stands for is what they wish he stood for. 90% of his positions are that of a mainstream Democrat, save for his left-of-median views on healthcare and his right-wing views on immigration. Oh my ?
GhostBox Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Kassi said: Three votes on abortion bills in 5 months 02/28 05/11 07/15 Literally no one works harder than Nancy's House. She’s so much better then Chuck ?
Kassi Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 40 minutes ago, GhostBox said: She’s so much better then Chuck ? It’s very clear by now that Schumer has to go. Literally Presiding over the worst Dem legislative Senate
Vroom Vroom Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 Would Schumer endorse AOC for his senate seat when he finally retires?
ClashAndBurn Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said: Would Schumer endorse AOC for his senate seat when he finally retires? No, and AOC wouldn’t win a statewide race anyway. Her House seat is her ceiling, and the only question is… how long will she be allowed to stay before the DNC finds a way to silence her with a successful primary?
Communion Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Communion said: Fun game! Everyone post your yearly income, job title, and if you like Bernie or not. $42,000 Graphic Designer I like Bernie because so few speak on the realities of the kind of generational poverty I grew up in. He is the only one speaking on the need for free college, M4A and debt forgiveness. Even when now making more than either of my parents ever did and feeling so privileged despite so many others having more, he speaks to the struggles impacting me having to supplement income for a disabled parent and be the head of household for your family as the only college grad. I imagine that's why all those issues are the top priorities amongst the voting population and not things like Russia, January 6th, or other nonsense. Your turn! @Kassi @frenchyisback Sis play! @GhostBox For some reason no one wants to play. Why? What's everyone afraid of? If you'd answer what your race or gender is on a forum, why not opt to your class privilege as well? What's there to hide? Odd how if being "white male conservative" validates or invalidates support for a politician (even when those people don't even support said politician) but everyone's afraid of being honest about the most defining aspect of our material lives that impacts our position in the world. Almost like class is a defining privilege. Certain people's presence have become unproductive and a hindrance to the thread not because they won't give their bank details (though I do advocate for not listening to anyone's opinion if they wouldn't tell you how much money they make and their family makes) but because we have reached such a failure of Biden's presidency that instead of being able to analyze how and why he has objectively failed and destroyed the Democratic Party, we have the usual suspects taking us back to 2016 style "Bernie is white!!!!" OR "Bernie is a do-nothing hypocrite! DEMS RULE PROGRESSIVES DROOL" conspiracies and hot takes because their own emotional stability can't take the shattering of a self-image rooted around what are largely *PRIVILEGED* identities. At this point, any Biden supporter not apologizing to everyone for wielding this situation into reality should become a social pariah to be frank. They got everything they wanted and ruined it all. Bring back public shaming. Edited July 15, 2022 by Communion
Communion Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, GhostBox said: God works in mysterious ways God as in accountable reporting you claimed was lies because it outed bad backdoor deals by Biden?
Vermillion Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 Glad I sat the last few days out from visiting here for my mental health. Biden’s news conference in Saudi Arabia is bothering the **** out of me. Hawley at the abortion hearing too.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Espresso said: Glad I sat the last few days out from visiting here for my mental health. Biden’s news conference in Saudi Arabia is bothering the **** out of me. Hawley at the abortion hearing too. Bear in mind that most of the country agrees with Hawley and would think that Khara Bridges is a woke extremist nut job for how she responded. “Birthing people” and “people with capacity for pregnancy” are unfortunately extremely alienating terms, however aimed at specific fields they might be. The average person not only doesn’t care about inclusive language, they are completely turned off by it and want nothing to do with any movement that “ignores reality of biological sex.” Even on Reddit, which is pretty left-leaning, the reaction to that hearing when the threads made it to r/all was largely “what is this woman talking about? She’s absolutely divorced from reality.” Sad to see:
ClashAndBurn Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 Just now, Communion said: HE IS WORTHLESS!!!! Biden’s “assurances” that Democrats’ outcry had nothing to do with him backing out are honestly even more insulting than the deal being made to begin with. I hate him so ******* much
Communion Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 THESE SOCIOPATHIC FREAKS ALL CONSIDER EACH OTHER GOOD FRIENDS CAUSE WE'RE THE CHUMPS BEING EXPLOITED AND MADE A FOOL OF!!! STORM THE CAPITAL!!!
rihannabiggestfan Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 Joe Biden sucks and McConnell knows that, which is why Biden's McConnell-simping is ineffective
Kassi Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Communion said: Certain people's presence have become unproductive and a hindrance to the thread not because they won't give their bank details (though I do advocate for not listening to anyone's opinion if they wouldn't tell you how much money they make and their family makes) but because we have reached such a failure of Biden's presidency that instead of being able to analyze how and why he has objectively failed and destroyed the Democratic Party, we have the usual suspects taking us back to 2016 style "Bernie is white!!!!" OR "Bernie is a do-nothing hypocrite! DEMS RULE PROGRESSIVES DROOL" conspiracies and hot takes because their own emotional stability can't take the shattering of a self-image rooted around what are largely *PRIVILEGED* identities. First off, there's only one person in here that routinely throws us back into 2016/2020 debates, and that's Bernie supporter rihannabiggestfan. Yet, I've never seen you address them on that. If you were really serious about "unproductive" "hindrances" to the thread, you'd start there. Second, most of us don't even talk about Bernie until he's brought up as was the case when discussing potential presidential candidates. Which is what prompted this whole discussion. Idk. You seem awfully emotional about broad discussions of why Biden, Kamala, or even Bernie (all sitting politicians with lacking/questionable public records) should not run in 2024. Particularly, where it relates to the octogenarian with a weak heart. Please try to remember that these are all public servants equally subject to criticism. That's true whether they're the President, Vice President, Senate Majority Leader, or Budget Committee Chairman. All high powered positions in our government. Something like discussing private citizen Hillary Clinton would definitely fall under the umbrella of unproductive, and yet, again, only one person in here does that.
Communion Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kassi said: Second, most of us don't even talk about Bernie until he's brought up Please submit documented receipts of your yearly tax returns and W2 before derailing the thread about Bernie! Thank you!
Kassi Posted July 16, 2022 Posted July 16, 2022 35 minutes ago, Communion said: Please submit documented receipts of your yearly tax returns and W2 before derailing the thread about Bernie! Thank you! You might want to CTRL+F “Bernie” on that page. I mean… I’m just talking what everyone else in the thread was talking about.
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