Redstreak Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 54 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Well, Fox News was never going to be satisfied with Biden's Israel-Palestine stance, even if he endorsed governors deploying their national guards onto college campuses and making every single one of them into a repeat of the Kent State shooting that happened under Nixon. I would never expect them to be charitable. If Joe Biden listened more to Johnathan Greenblatt and banned the wearing of keffiyeh in the United States, even that wouldn't be enough to get the right to call him anything other than a Jew hater. Oh I know, it's just funny how over the top they have to be about it. Like going all the way back to the night of broken glass just genuinely threw me out Edited April 1 by Redstreak
ClashAndBurn Posted April 1 Posted April 1 56 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Oh I know, it's just funny how over the top they have to be about it. Like going all the way back to the night of broken glass just genuinely threw me out Yeah, I mean... It IS funny and sad that they have to lie against the most Zionist president this country has ever had just because he isn't a Republican, but my only point is it's not even a new talking point. I saw a tweet from 2015 earlier talking about a poll of Israelis showed they viewed Obama as the worst US president in the last 40 years because the Iran Deal made him appear to be soft on Iran and weak in his support for Israel to them, which Netanyahu literally came all the way here to deliver a floor speech to denigrate the Democrats over
Redstreak Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 58 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Yeah, I mean... It IS funny and sad that they have to lie against the most Zionist president this country has ever had just because he isn't a Republican, but my only point is it's not even a new talking point. I saw a tweet from 2015 earlier talking about a poll of Israelis showed they viewed Obama as the worst US president in the last 40 years because the Iran Deal made him appear to be soft on Iran and weak in his support for Israel to them, which Netanyahu literally came all the way here to deliver a floor speech to denigrate the Democrats over I've started seeing ads on Twitter in the past few days from some account called Media Research Center saying Biden is "waging a war against the Jewish people and undermining the war efforts" Edited April 1 by Redstreak
Redstreak Posted April 1 Posted April 1 So has Trump paid that bond yet? He only has like three days left
GraceRandolph Posted April 1 Posted April 1 5 hours ago, Redstreak said: I think it would upset some posters in here to be reminded the guy above me is much more representative of your average voter than they are The average Democratic voter and average Independent voter want a permanent ceasefire and think Biden is too old. 1
anti-bitch Posted April 1 Posted April 1 10 hours ago, Fleahive said: It's starting to become reality that Trump could become president again. The fear I felt living in this country with all the MAGA flags waving proudly on every pick uptruck, Trump flags hung in combination with confederate flags throughout neighborhood, it felt like we traveled back into the 1800s. It was so normalized to be apart of his cult. I've never unfriended so many people as they got deeper into the trump train mentality. My peers were becoming increasingly racist and derogatory across the board. I believe in intersectionality and at some point post 2020 I tried to stop being so judgmental about others political beliefs. I was hired into a company with all republican leadership. And I stereotyped them to be awful people but it ended up becoming my favorite job and I loved everyone. With that said I'm starting to revert to my old ways. If we have a relationship and I find out you're a trump supporter it can go either way. But if I don't know you and find out you're MAGA 2024 chances are I'm going to avoid you at all costs. I can't deal with that bullshit for another 4 years. I just unfollowed every social media personality that follows trump. There were 4 of them and funny enough they all gave me that slightly icky feeling you get from alt right people. There's something unsettling about their spirit and I always knew in the back of my mind they could be on the trump train but like I said I stopped caring when I realized trump will never be president again. Until now… Your post made me think about how democracy has this kinda flaw in it that just because most people think a certain way they must be right. The flaw is that people's opinions and morals are ever changing. And most people just follow the crowd. Bandwagoning is real, not just in our music fan sites, but in other aspects of life too. The best way to beat trumpism or maga would be to have a true human rights champion oppose him, but there's hardly anyone like that in US politics these days 1
Sannie Posted April 1 Posted April 1 17 hours ago, Luner45 said: Yep. He absolutely wants this genocide to reach completion and for Israel to colonize all of Palestine. Biden acting confused as to why people would rather not vote for him and let Trump win is so aggravating. He's proven to be the most evil POS along with Netanyahu. That's why he can absolutely kick rocks when he loses the election to Trump. You all love to make things up. Biden is not acting confused. He is just not trying to court you guys for your votes since a) you will not vote for him anyways and b) you do not vote period. 14 hours ago, Fleahive said: Ugh but then again I do feel it's important to remember that not everybody is an extremist. Just because I'm likely voting B*den doesn't mean I want your kids to transition, want every baby to be aborted, and whatever ridiculous things trumpers think about democratic voters. Flip the coin not every trumper supports everything trump says or does. We all have a different perspective on how to fix America and people are going to vote what they think is best for not only themselves but their family and community. So I can see why people would vote trump if I put myself in their shoes. But at the same time do they really think that man is fit for presidency? They joke about Biden all day but they always give trump a pass. Yes, they actually do. Trying to retcon Trumpers into being "just your average voter with a different opinion" is dangerous. They all support everything he does and when they have even the slightest of criticism, they either keep it to themselves and ignore it or justify why what they think is actually good at the end of the day. These are not normal people. 8 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: The average Democratic voter and average Independent voter want a permanent ceasefire and think Biden is too old. And they're still voting for Biden because they understand the concept of harm reduction. 1
GraceRandolph Posted April 1 Posted April 1 56 minutes ago, Sannie said: And they're still voting for Biden because they understand the concept of harm reduction. Ah yes, the harm reduction of *checks notes* blindly supporting the candidate who is largely responsible for the deaths of 10,000 children. 1
Redstreak Posted April 1 Posted April 1 31 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Ah yes, the harm reduction of *checks notes* blindly supporting the candidate who is largely responsible for the deaths of 10,000 children. Over the party advocating just nuking the place? You can say it's not a distinction you feel personally makes a difference but for most people it *is* a difference
GraceRandolph Posted April 1 Posted April 1 29 minutes ago, Redstreak said: Over the party advocating just nuking the place? You can say it's not a distinction you feel personally makes a difference but for most people it *is* a difference The problem with the lesser evil/harm reduction angle is that it is ad infinitum. At what point will it end? We seemingly hit rock bottom with two unpopular candidates in 2016, and now in 2024 we are faced with even worse options. When does this end? What strategy do you and other Democratic Party defenders have at actually holding leadership accountable in any way? 1
GhostBox Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 26 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: The problem with the lesser evil/harm reduction angle is that it is ad infinitum. At what point will it end? We seemingly hit rock bottom with two unpopular candidates in 2016, and now in 2024 we are faced with even worse options. When does this end? What strategy do you and other Democratic Party defenders have at actually holding leadership accountable in any way? If you look at Hillary she was actually pretty popular (on both sides) like high 60s up until 2014- 2015 when the campaign for the nomination started. 💀 Edited April 1 by GhostBox
Redstreak Posted April 1 Posted April 1 18 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: The problem with the lesser evil/harm reduction angle is that it is ad infinitum. At what point will it end? We seemingly hit rock bottom with two unpopular candidates in 2016, and now in 2024 we are faced with even worse options. When does this end? What strategy do you and other Democratic Party defenders have at actually holding leadership accountable in any way? i also have to assume things I think *could* happen. I think given loud enough pressure Biden could be moved, trump doesn't get moved to the left. But obviously I can understand why people aren't exactly hopeful of that first part happening, that's just my hope 1
GraceRandolph Posted April 1 Posted April 1 1 minute ago, Redstreak said: i also have to assume things I think *could* happen. I think given loud enough pressure Biden could be moved, trump doesn't get moved to the left. But obviously I can understand why people aren't exactly hopeful of that first part happening, that's just my hope What makes you think Biden can be moved?
GhostBox Posted April 1 Posted April 1 Just now, GraceRandolph said: What makes you think Biden can be moved? There's been a few instances where Biden and his admin changed course on a few issues. even his big haters on this forum have posted "see bullying works" on a few issues with Biden. with Trump that won't even work.
Redstreak Posted April 1 Posted April 1 41 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: The problem with the lesser evil/harm reduction angle is that it is ad infinitum. At what point will it end? We seemingly hit rock bottom with two unpopular candidates in 2016, and now in 2024 we are faced with even worse options. When does this end? What strategy do you and other Democratic Party defenders have at actually holding leadership accountable in any way? I mean the pro Palestine protests and uncommitted vote have actually at least for the time being have gotten us to stop vetoing resolutions, even if that's not much, it's a signal that directions can be moved
Fleahive Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 hours ago, Sannie said: You all love to make things up. Biden is not acting confused. He is just not trying to court you guys for your votes since a) you will not vote for him anyways and b) you do not vote period. Yes, they actually do. Trying to retcon Trumpers into being "just your average voter with a different opinion" is dangerous. They all support everything he does and when they have even the slightest of criticism, they either keep it to themselves and ignore it or justify why what they think is actually good at the end of the day. These are not normal people. And they're still voting for Biden because they understand the concept of harm reduction. It truly depends on the person though. I've come across a lot of trump supporters that only supported him because their family and community did. Social media is one big echo chamber. When that's the only point of view you see then you're likely to swing that way. Some aren't fully aware of his controversies. I try to remember not everyone is as deeply educated on politics as they seem. Myself included. That's why I try not to stereotype and be so harsh on those individuals but it depends on my mood and my relationship with the individual. I do agree these people are just as dangerous whether they're ignorant to politics or not. 1
Sannie Posted April 1 Posted April 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: Ah yes, the harm reduction of *checks notes* blindly supporting the candidate who is largely responsible for the deaths of 10,000 children. So again, I am in the USA and I am worried about the USA first and foremost. I have said this before, but I am not throwing people in the USA away for Palestine. When it comes to local and state elections, I will vote for people who do not want to fund genocide, but when it comes to President, Biden is literally my only option to try and keep people in the USA safe. 1 hour ago, Redstreak said: Over the party advocating just nuking the place? You can say it's not a distinction you feel personally makes a difference but for most people it *is* a difference Harm reduction is such a simple concept that leftists refuse to learn. 1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said: The problem with the lesser evil/harm reduction angle is that it is ad infinitum. At what point will it end? We seemingly hit rock bottom with two unpopular candidates in 2016, and now in 2024 we are faced with even worse options. When does this end? What strategy do you and other Democratic Party defenders have at actually holding leadership accountable in any way? It will end when you guys start voting for people who will stop it. The reason we have to keep begging you guys to vote and have to keep pushing the "lesser of two evils" narrative is because you people do not vote lol. In 2028, the 18-35 demographic will have the power to do something big for the first time in this country, but the more you guys push the "voting does not matter" narrative, the less inclined this incredibly powerful voting bloc will be to vote. The left's strategy is "do not vote and let millions in the USA suffer". I do not like that strategy. At this point, the status quo is safer than that. Edited April 1 by Sannie 1
GraceRandolph Posted April 1 Posted April 1 5 minutes ago, Sannie said: So again, I am in the USA and I am worried about the USA first and foremost. I have said this before, but I am not throwing people in the USA away for Palestine. When it comes to local and state elections, I will vote for people who do not want to fund genocide, but when it comes to President, Biden is literally my only option to try and keep people in the USA safe. Harm reduction is such a simple concept that leftists refuse to learn. It will end when you guys start voting for people who will stop it. The reason we have to keep begging you guys to vote and have to keep pushing the "lesser of two evils" narrative is because you people do not vote lol. In 2028, the 18-35 demographic will have the power to do something big for the first time in this country, but the more you guys push the "voting does not matter" narrative, the less inclined this incredibly powerful voting bloc will be to vote. The left's strategy is "do not vote and let millions in the USA suffer". I do not like that strategy. At this point, the status quo is safer than that. Young people voted for Biden in 2020 to oust Trump and ended up with a genocide. Can you not see why people view withholding their votes from the Democratic Party as a viable option at this point? At the moment the Democrats represent the left wing of fascism. Harm reduction in the short term might be somewhat true, but in the longterm these corporate Democratic candidates end up creating conditions which usher in a more virulent, farther right and more aggressive Republican party.
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