Vermillion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Supposedly she's running for governor in South Carolina poor @i spit on haters It was inevitable
Thuggin Posted January 28 Posted January 28 1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said: Supposedly she's running for governor in South Carolina poor @i spit on haters Well South Carolina made Nikki Haley governor who also made conservative feminism her brand so maybe that's not such a bad pivot 1
hoax Posted January 28 Posted January 28 43 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Bukele's El Salvador will be all over this 1
FameFatale Posted January 28 Posted January 28 They're letting podcasters, social media influencers, and all previous press that was blocked out the briefing room back into it
Virgos Groove Posted January 28 Posted January 28 Joe Biden ended his presidency with lower approval ratings than an illiterate buffoon who attempted a coup, and centrists are still not capable of questioning if maybe their ideology... just isn't that popular? "Must be the left! Must be the woke! Must be Mickey Mouse!11!!" 1
hoax Posted January 28 Posted January 28 8 minutes ago, Thuggin said: Nancy Mace is occupying such a bizarre space in the conservative movement. I get that there's some appetite for TERFism there now, but she used to present herself as a moderate and even pro-LGBT anti-Trump Republican. Now she's decided she wants to be as attention grabbing as MTG, but I feel like her nonstop hysteria over the mere presence of a trans woman in Congress is too woman-centric for the right. The gall of her simultaneously running with "Trans people shouldn't be in sex-specific spaces" and "I was the first woman to graduate from the Citadel" is RICH 1
dabunique Posted January 28 Posted January 28 17 minutes ago, nooniebao said: Deserved @noodlelymph why u so confused about my statements, do u have a question for me
Vermillion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 @FameFatale I feel like the timbre of her voice is actually higher but she's practiced for weeks in trying to lower it. There's certain tells here but for me it's tolerable as I was expecting much worse.
FameFatale Posted January 28 Posted January 28 1 minute ago, Vermillion said: @FameFatale I feel like the timbre of her voice is actually higher but she's practiced for weeks in trying to lower it. There's certain tells here but for me it's tolerable as I was expecting much worse. Nope that's her voice at all times. She always has that "I gotta own the libs" tone and cadence.
DevilsRollTheDice Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: Joe Biden ended his presidency with lower approval ratings than an illiterate buffoon who attempted a coup, and centrists are still not capable of questioning if maybe their ideology... just isn't that popular? "Must be the left! Must be the woke! Must be Mickey Mouse!11!!" I'm not engaging in bad faith here, but using this rationale aren't leftists 1000X less popular than Democrats? The furthest left major politicians are people like Bernie and AOC. Bernie couldn't win a primary against unlikable candidates twice and both Bernie and AOC are still capitalists. It just seems like circular reasoning. Liberals aren't popular which means that people must crave leftism…even though there aren't any real leftist elected officials, leftists don't have meaningful control over anything, and there is very weak central organization for leftists overall. You could argue that certain leftist positions poll well, but Dems have pursued many of them. Even for the ones Dems haven't, issue polling is bizarre and most voters frequently report contradictory views. The United States is a center-right country. Regardless of what Biden and Harris are we also know that many voters saw them as far-left. Harris had years of unpopular far-left positions to point to on social issues. A 3 month campaign can't undo those optics when there's plenty of footage of her having those views to cut ads with. Edited January 28 by DevilsRollTheDice
Communion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 40 minutes ago, XDNA said: Are you American? Many of these terms and ideas being attacked originated from leftist-leaning academia. As for bringing it mainstream it was twitter that would jump on cancel culture. Like even centrist Obama came out and spoke against this. I'm sorry but this is so brain-rotted. This can't be a serious person. I need to know the age, sex, location, etc. of someone who thinks 1) cancel culture as some amorphous thing that doesn't really exist somehow impacts politics meaningfully and 2) that liberal academia is somehow at odds with liberal Democratic policies and figures of the 2010s. You don't even know what you want to believe. In one sentence you're defending DEI and in another parrot talking points that essentially argue DEI is cancel culture lol. It's genuinely wild to see someone in real attempt to do "all these conservative criticisms of liberals are wrong but all conservative criticisms of the left are right!". 1 2
GraceRandolph Posted January 28 Posted January 28 10 minutes ago, Virgos Groove said: Joe Biden ended his presidency with lower approval ratings than an illiterate buffoon who attempted a coup, and centrists are still not capable of questioning if maybe their ideology... just isn't that popular? "Must be the left! Must be the woke! Must be Mickey Mouse!11!!" Centrists on Reddit are blaming the left still (at least some) and claiming leftism in the US and Bernie are right wing psyops 1 2
FameFatale Posted January 28 Posted January 28 It's wild Karoline spent the first half talking about welcoming everybody into briefing room and free speech always and then gets a question about students protesting at pro Palestine rallies on campuses and she says "oh no, that's illegal they will be deported." We're in some rough times. 1
XDNA Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Mike91 said: Yes. I'm referring to the centrists who used it politically as a way to attack progressives in order to shift the conversation away from the economy and healthcare. It was the only area they could flex any sort of progressive muscle without pissing off their donors. The reason why it has become such an effective attack against the left now is because democrats fell into the trap of making it one of their central campaign messages. With that said, cancel culture has been around forever, pre-internet even, from both the left and right. Social media just made it more prominent in our daily lives. Okay, but it was an issue in the election for the same reason it's called a culture war. Conservatives (and also non-political moderates) were tired of it spreading on social media and the private sector. It spilled into politics, and sure there's always cringe politicians. My point is not everything is in response to political backlash, and this was a responce to how the culture was moving. I think you're looking at it within the left-wing sphere, but I'm saying that in the general it was an issue because of cultural backlash from conservatives and some moderates. BTW I'm not condemning or endorsing a position here. I'm just explaining how I see it impacted the general. Edited January 28 by XDNA
Vermillion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 1 minute ago, FameFatale said: Nope that's her voice at all times. She always has that "I gotta own the libs" tone and cadence. Ugh. I haven't listened to her enough prior then which is probably a good thing.
Communion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 25 minutes ago, noodlelymph said: So "the groups" are doing more pushback than the elected opposition party. Someone let the terminally online centrist bootlickers know! I think that's what's the most insidious about centrists trying to find any justification to pivot right. I saw someone on Twitter articulate it well how """the Groups""" are essentially just non-profits and advocacy groups and thinktanks who stepped in during Obama's first run to channel voter energy into coherent causes in place of what would have historically been unions which now no longer exist. These orgs ensure people view voting for Democrats as a viable option instead of finding other means of channeling their anger outside of elections to Dems' benefit. And even then, Dems have long taken these groups for granted. Obama ran on hope and change and then got elected and told black men to pull up their pants and champion mass deportations and drone warfare. And then they see these groups remain even more relevant in the age of Trump and again want to control them and ensure these groups are working for Democrats before anything else. It'd be one thing is Dems were rejecting them from the left. It'd be one thing to go "it's probably more important to codify that homophobia is illegal than to ensure five of your staffers at Rainbow Voting Strategies get job ls at newly created advocacy positions in the White House". Sure! Rebuke them on that! But It's centrists going "we need to start saying ******!". 1 2
Relampago. Posted January 28 Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: I'm not engaging in bad faith here, but using this rationale aren't leftists 1000X less popular than Democrats? The furthest left major politicians are people like Bernie and AOC. Bernie couldn't win a primary against unlikable candidates twice and both Bernie and AOC are still capitalists. It just seems like circular reasoning. Liberals aren't popular which means that people must crave leftism…even though there aren't any real leftist elected officials, leftists don't have meaningful control over anything, and there is very weak central organization for leftists overall. You could argue that certain leftist positions poll well, but Dems have pursued many of them. Even for the ones Dems haven't, issue polling is bizarre and most voters frequently report contradictory views. The United States is a center-right country. Regardless of what Biden and Harris are we also know that many voters saw them as far-left. Harris had years of unpopular far-left positions to point to on social issues. A 3 month campaign can't undo those optics when there's plenty of footage of her having those views to cut ads with. Bernie consistently had the highest approval rating of all 2020 candidates when he was running. A primary where the DNC is throwing their weight around is hardly the same as a general election, unless you would argue that the Democratic Base would completely abandon a progressive candidate in the general (kinda like they did Harris, idk). I consistently see "the US is a center right country" brought up, which to me tells me how out of touch a lot of these analyses are. On the street, no one is claiming they're a center right/left/far left/right person, at best you'll get "I'm conservative/liberal" without many people even knowing what that means, which is precisely why Harris was able to be painted as a far-left candidate because she had no real stances or beliefs and couldn't define her mission beyond "we're not going back!" We can chalk that up to her not having much time to prepare a proper campaign, but considering she said she wouldn't do anything different from Biden, I don't think that really matters much. People love Trump because they see him as an enemy of the state, and see many Democrats as the hand of the deep state. That speech he gave where he said he was the only thing standing between them and the government getting them was powerful because people really do feel like the government is not on their side. …Which is why an anti-establishment candidate like Sanders would work so much better in this political climate than any amalgamation of Clinton-Biden-Harris. People don't care about being left/right as much as they do having someone who they feel isn't on the side of the establishment. Is it any wonder that the same demographics that have fled the Democratic Party are the same ones who were very popular with Sanders (Latino, young voters, working class)? 1 4
Virgos Groove Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: I'm not engaging in bad faith here, but using this rationale aren't leftists 1000X less popular than Democrats? The furthest left major politicians are people like Bernie and AOC. Bernie couldn't win a primary against unlikable candidates twice and both Bernie and AOC are still capitalists. It just seems like circular reasoning. Liberals aren't popular which means that people must crave leftism…even though there aren't any real leftist elected officials, leftists don't have meaningful control over anything, and there is very weak central organization for leftists overall. The United States is a center-right country. Plenty of social democratic/progressive measures poll well, and Biden's best approval ratings were right at the beginning. It's leftist candidates who poll badly. But even then, one could argue that the Dems are leaving working class voters behind and that's why they don't vote. I'm not the one making (or not making) that argument but I have seen plenty of people doing so. Maybe someone more well-versed in US politics can pick that discussion up. You say the US is a center-right country, but... what makes you think so? Considering Kamala and Hillary suffered humiliating losses, I'd argue it would be more correct to say America is a center-left and a far-right country. The kind of things center-right candidates prioritize (foreign policy, YIMBYism, Wall Street)... are not considered priorities by the American people. If anything, I don't think most people are inherently ideological, but tend to have a mish-mash of contradicting positions that are influenced by their experiences. Edited January 28 by Virgos Groove 1 2
noodlelymph Posted January 28 Posted January 28 9 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: I'm not engaging in bad faith here, but using this rationale aren't leftists 1000X less popular than Democrats? The furthest left major politicians are people like Bernie and AOC. Bernie couldn't win a primary against unlikable candidates twice and both Bernie and AOC are still capitalists. It just seems like circular reasoning. Liberals aren't popular which means that people must crave leftism…even though there aren't any real leftist elected officials, leftists don't have meaningful control over anything, and there is very weak central organization for leftists overall. You could argue that certain leftist positions poll well, but Dems have pursued many of them. Even for the ones Dems haven't, issue polling is bizarre and most voters frequently report contradictory views. The United States is a center-right country. Regardless of what Biden and Harris are we also know that many voters saw them as far-left. Harris had years of unpopular far-left positions to point to on social issues. A 3 month campaign can't undo those optics when there's plenty of footage of her having those views to cut ads with. The US seems to be a center right country at surface level because it is captured by corporate interests and an entire media apparatus in service to those interests, is constantly pumping out culture war divisive propaganda obscuring any class consciousness. This is an incredibly disingenuous view when you ignore how since the 60s the US gov and natsec "deepstate" has stomped out all leftist movements and activists, and destroyed unions. The Red Scare, Reaganism/neoliberalism, and patriot act have all done irreversible damage to the US left. If you don't acknowledge the material differences between proper left movements/leaders and liberals who HAVE access to power and routinely shut out the left (never going to forget the war of dem aligned liberal media against both bernie primaries), then this discussion won't go anywhere. 3
Communion Posted January 28 Posted January 28 16 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said: You could argue that certain leftist positions poll well, but Dems have pursued many of them. I'm at a point where I don't know whether to do anything but cry from either option of this having to be an insidious form of lying or how removed from reality of the average American life one has to be to believe such in earnest.
superglowy Posted January 28 Posted January 28 The fact the GOP just froze Meals on wheels and Free school lunches for kids and this thread just skips over it to have the same 'But Biden/But Central Dems' that's been beaten to death for almost 10 years says it all. 3 1
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