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[Save-Me-Oprah]

[Rep2000]

3 hours ago, Gaia said:

I think it's pretty clear that JD Vance agreed to run with Trump strictly for his political profile. He made it clear he did not like Trump prior to being picked as the VP. The ONLY way anyone would switch up like that and eat their pride to that degree is their own gain far outweighs in this context. 

 

I'm almost certain he will hardly be seen with Trump or public endorse Trump in the next 4 years so in 2028 he can run without a heavy association with Trump. As you can see in this election, Kamala and Biden being seen as a duo negatively impacted Kamala's likeability as everyone blamed her equally for anything Biden did despite her NOT actually being the president. 

 

I think Vance is happy to have Musk play as Trump's little puppy while he sits back and watches the **** show

I think the situation is opposite of what you are saying. JD Vance was always the self-insert puppet for Musk and Peter Thiel.

 

And of course with Elon's usual habits, he just cannot help himself to get fully involved to epic proportion in the spotlight. That man is so divorced he's making his middle life crisis everyone's problems.

JD would continue to show up and threaten anyone (mostly EU) who try to keep Elon accountable for his actions. And I don't expect him to last if Trump makes it out alive past these 4 years.

 

[Bears01]

35 minutes ago, Bloo said:

To be fair, there are other positives. We don't have to put up with a serious effort to make Harris 2028 happen. 

 

If it had been Biden running and losing in 2024, then Harris 2028 would have been the next "it's her turn" moment and the conversations we're having now would just be about Biden's age. If the Democratic candidate is to lose, Kamala losing is overall better than Biden losing, in my opinion.

Yes, this too. 
 

Kamala is and will always be a losing candidate, no matter the year, unless the environment for the GOP was catastrophically bad ala 2008, but it'd still be more of a coronation instead of a true organic rise to the top ala Obama and Trump. 
 

Now, we're at a crossroads essentially. The DNC can either finally pivot into being a party of the working class ala FDR, or continue to be a party dominated by the Clinton's and Obama leftovers, and if they go with the latter, they'll continue to lose 

 

I would absolutely prefer NOT to have Justice Sotomayer and quite a lot of court of appeal judges replaced by President JD Vance, but if the democrats don't change, I won't be there to help them stop that 

[Mike91]

1 hour ago, Bloo said:

To be fair, there are other positives. We don't have to put up with a serious effort to make Harris 2028 happen. 

 

If it had been Biden running and losing in 2024, then Harris 2028 would have been the next "it's her turn" moment and the conversations we're having now would just be about Biden's age. If the Democratic candidate is to lose, Kamala losing is overall better than Biden losing, in my opinion.

This was honestly the thing that bothered me the most about this election (aside from Trump winning). If Biden never dropped out and lost, we would have been stuck with Kamala as the nominee in 2028. If she won this year, nothing would have changed for at least another 8 years, because she was all but guaranteed to lose in 2028. 

 

At least in 2028 there is no Hillary or Biden figure who will be automatically anointed on name recognition. Even Shapiro will have to build his name. I also hope people don't think that because Trump won't be running, that his voters will stay home and politics will "return to normal". Some might not turn up to vote, but dems will also lose a lot of the affluent white voters who voted for Kamala the second Trump is out of the picture. They need to build a new coalition and the likes of Shapiro won't do it running campaigns from 20 years ago. 

[CandyCoatedClouds]

7 hours ago, Save-Me-Oprah said:

last time the Democrats had a serious candidate for governor in Florida they only lost by like 0.4% (2018)

 

if they put up Gaetz for governor and the democrats actually put someone good up it's over for the Republicans 

Floridians are so foolish then they might still root for the guy. A lot ot straight men don't care about girls being underage and a lot of women who dated older men when they were girls don't see themselves as victims 🤷 

[ClashAndBurn]

2 hours ago, Mike91 said:

This was honestly the thing that bothered me the most about this election (aside from Trump winning). If Biden never dropped out and lost, we would have been stuck with Kamala as the nominee in 2028. If she won this year, nothing would have changed for at least another 8 years, because she was all but guaranteed to lose in 2028. 

 

At least in 2028 there is no Hillary or Biden figure who will be automatically anointed on name recognition. Even Shapiro will have to build his name. I also hope people don't think that because Trump won't be running, that his voters will stay home and politics will "return to normal". Some might not turn up to vote, but dems will also lose a lot of the affluent white voters who voted for Kamala the second Trump is out of the picture. They need to build a new coalition and the likes of Shapiro won't do it running campaigns from 20 years ago. 

Arguably, a campaign from 20 years ago would be a step above the "running on common sense" and seeking bipartisan consensus slop we've been getting since Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama wasn't parading around with Liz Cheney.

 

We've been trending to the right since the days of "Yes We Can" and "Hope and Change." The takeaway so far seems to be that Kamala lost because she didn't do enough to disavow the left. 

[woohoo]

I'm telling yall, elections come down to gas and grocery prices. Americans are that stupid and checked out now. If republicans don't deliver 1.00 gas and .99 cents eggs they're losing in a landslide in 2028. Half the people I know can't name a single global issue or a single policy from any party. They were made over inflation, interest rates, gas, and a few the border but didn't really care. I'm either surrounded by morons and it's anecdotal but judging from comments online, the issues are that simple. 

[Armani?]

5 hours ago, Mike91 said:

There is absolutely nothing to applaud about Kamala losing.  Whether it was by a small margin or a large margin, she LOST and there's going to be dire consequences for it. 

 

Dems always trying to look for the positives in their losses, when there is nothing positive about what happened. The party continues to lose working class voters. Instead of it just being white, working class voters, we're now losing voters of color. The Obama coalition is dead and a new one needs to be formed, but it can't come from the democratic establishment because they've proven to be incompetent and out of touch. Unfortunately, it'll probably take more losses in 28 and 32 before they even consider looking in the mirror.

2028 & 2032 by that point won't even matter if we expect losing then too

 

The Republicans will have passed their Project 2025 agenda and appointed judges to block any progressive agenda for a lifetime which is almost what already will happen partly

[Lose My Breath]

2 hours ago, woohoo said:

I'm telling yall, elections come down to gas and grocery prices. Americans are that stupid and checked out now. If republicans don't deliver 1.00 gas and .99 cents eggs they're losing in a landslide in 2028. Half the people I know can't name a single global issue or a single policy from any party. They were made over inflation, interest rates, gas, and a few the border but didn't really care. I'm either surrounded by morons and it's anecdotal but judging from comments online, the issues are that simple. 

If this isn't true...

 

Literally they don't think ANYTHING else has any impact on them

[ClashAndBurn]

   @Bloo

[Armani?]

10 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

   @Bloo

They would have voted for anyone more than BidenKamala isn't that special, they still failed to get turnout at the levels they wanted. 

[ClashAndBurn]

32 minutes ago, Armani? said:

They would have voted for anyone more than BidenKamala isn't that special, they still failed to get turnout at the levels they wanted. 

Right. The only people who'd be getting in their feelings about KamKam getting passed over are the KHive, and they've shown themselves to be an ineffective coalition incapable of boosting anyone other than Shontel Brown.

 

Some black women in media like Joy Reid, Jemele Hill, April Ryan, and so on might have also not reacted well, but… at the end of the day, I think winning would have been preferable to what we ended up with.  

[Gaia]

7 hours ago, Wonderland said:

I don't think this is how it can ever go, though.

 

Vance will need to keep Trump on side. The 2028 nominee is going to be whoever Trump chooses - so if Vance has aspirations for the Presidency, he has to continue to play into Trump's ego and remain close to him. Trump is also going to be aware of this dynamic and take advantage of it to get Vance to do whatever he needs him to do.

 

I also think it's inherently impossible to separate oneself from the administration they were a part of. As a VP, you're ultimately forced to hitch your wagon to the administration and you roll the dice on whether it will help or hurt you when you run. Usually it hurts, but it can help (think H.W. in 1988 or even how close Gore was in 2000).

 

 

 

 

Oh yeah he can't just completely go MIA and never endorse Trump, I'm just saying we will likely not see him playing best pals / buddy buddy with Trump and he will be a lot more strictly professional from here on out. 

[GraceRandolph]

The fact that Hillary, Kamala and Biden have a combined 8 presidential campaigns between them and only one presidential term.

 

[GraceRandolph]

4 hours ago, woohoo said:

I'm telling yall, elections come down to gas and grocery prices. Americans are that stupid and checked out now. If republicans don't deliver 1.00 gas and .99 cents eggs they're losing in a landslide in 2028. Half the people I know can't name a single global issue or a single policy from any party. They were made over inflation, interest rates, gas, and a few the border but didn't really care. I'm either surrounded by morons and it's anecdotal but judging from comments online, the issues are that simple. 

The world is going to be a mess by 2028. We'll be rebuilding this damage for the rest of our lifetimes along with global climate collapse. The Democrats completely failed to respond to right wing populism with anything comparable and now they've lost ground on every issue. The Democratic Party is OVER.

[on the line]

5 hours ago, woohoo said:

I'm telling yall, elections come down to gas and grocery prices. Americans are that stupid and checked out now. If republicans don't deliver 1.00 gas and .99 cents eggs they're losing in a landslide in 2028. Half the people I know can't name a single global issue or a single policy from any party. They were made over inflation, interest rates, gas, and a few the border but didn't really care. I'm either surrounded by morons and it's anecdotal but judging from comments online, the issues are that simple. 

Bingo. 

 

Yet we had far-left/right, out-of-touch-with-reality users in here for months getting worked up that Gaza would be the determining factor of this election.

 

Spoiler

It was not.

 

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, on the line said:

Bingo. 

 

Yet we had far-left/right, out-of-touch-with-reality users in here for months getting worked up that Gaza would be the determining factor of this election.

 

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It was not.

 

It wasn't the determining issue it just made Kamala's loss more historic.

 

[on the line]

13 hours ago, Bears01 said:

She lost to a politician who at no point in his career has ever been popular until literally now…. 

That's just not true though. Donald Trump was the talk of the town in the late 2000s. I even forgot about this until I was recently watching a very old RHOA reunion where Nene and Andy were literally giddy ki'ing over Donald Trump. I was quite taken aback knowing how history played out..

[on the line]

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[on the line]

7 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

It wasn't the determining issue it just made Kamala's loss more historic.

 

Glad to see that Donald Trump winning the election makes you giddy. 

[GraceRandolph]

Just now, on the line said:

Glad to see that Donald Trump winning the election makes you giddy. 

No ones giddy. I just posted that we'll be rebuilding for decades. The Democratic Party is the genocide party and lost all credibility. 

[on the line]

Just now, GraceRandolph said:

No ones giddy. I just posted that we'll be rebuilding for decades. The Democratic Party is the genocide party and lost all credibility. 

Your tone and gif said otherwise. That's all. Enjoy your Sunday!

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, on the line said:

Your tone and gif said otherwise. That's all. Enjoy your Sunday!

Dems lost ground with every minority 

[on the line]

2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Dems lost ground with every minority 

We know, sweetie. I said Kamala was a terrible candidate from the beginning, but this election was never about her to begin with.

 

But the election has been over for quite a while, and I see the same 5 people are still having the same conversation over and over in here so time for me to jump back out. 

 

Light and love!

[FameFatale]