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[ClashAndBurn]

1 minute ago, Tovitov said:

Not thrilled about the Kamala bashing either. 

 

She was running to succeed an administration with a 41% approval rating that she was key member of. In a perfect world, Biden would have announced he wasn't running earlier and we'd get a primary. But of course, that didn't happen and the only conceivable replacement was Kamala. 

 

So, was Kamala's strategy of embracing Republicans and not distancing herself from Biden flawed? A resounding yes. But she excited enough democrats to keep the swing states close and saved enough democrats down ballot in the process. I reiterate that I hope history is kind to her because of that. She turned a historic landslide defeat into a close but lopsided EC loss. Honestly not all that different than Hubert Humphrey in 1968 if you think about it. 

Nah, Kamala deserves to be bashed, along with the entire party apparatus. That includes Biden and everyone else that hid his declining condition from the country in the hopes that they could conceal the fact that he'd be in full-blown dementia well into his second term.

 

She does not deserve to have history be kind to her. At all. She ran a disastrously bad campaign and may have completely killed her party's future viability as a result of the damage. She certainly killed any hope of Walz ever having a career once his term as governor is over. They are a party of LOSERS who lost to a 34-times-convicted felon, and they will have to carry that stench forever.

[XDNA]

20 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

Not thrilled about the Kamala bashing either. 

 

She was running to succeed an administration with a 41% approval rating that she was key member of. In a perfect world, Biden would have announced he wasn't running earlier and we'd get a primary. But of course, that didn't happen and the only conceivable replacement was Kamala. 

 

So, was Kamala's strategy of embracing Republicans and not distancing herself from Biden flawed? A resounding yes. But she excited enough democrats to keep the swing states close and saved enough democrats down ballot in the process. I reiterate that I hope history is kind to her because of that. She turned a historic landslide defeat into a close but lopsided EC loss. Honestly not all that different than Hubert Humphrey in 1968 if you think about it. 

She deserves some blame, but the majority of the blame should go to Biden and the DNC chair. Historians will hopefully get it right.

 

But there's a lot of blame to go around. Anyone that's super upset should ask themselves: did I do everything I could to help get Kamala elected? If the answer is no, then own some of the blame too.

[ClashAndBurn]

15 minutes ago, XDNA said:

then own some of the blame too.

Hell no, I wasn't going to phonebank or canvas for a disgusting, evil genocidaire that actively repudiates everything I stand for and did not want my vote. She's lucky she got it anyway after she started campaigning with Liz Cheney.

 

Democrats as a whole own this loss, and your party does not deserve to win an election ever again. Especially when this party inevitably nominates Shapiro in 2028 out of their assessed need to run even more moderate and uninspiring than the centrist Matt Yglesias-pandering campaign that just massively flopped. And you know what? That man is actually evil enough that I would campaign against him. With a smile on my face. 

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[Tovitov]

27 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Nah, Kamala deserves to be bashed, along with the entire party apparatus. That includes Biden and everyone else that hid his declining condition from the country in the hopes that they could conceal the fact that he'd be in full-blown dementia well into his second term.

 

She does not deserve to have history be kind to her. At all. She ran a disastrously bad campaign and may have completely killed her party's future viability as a result of the damage. She certainly killed any hope of Walz ever having a career once his term as governor is over. They are a party of LOSERS who lost to a 34-times-convicted felon, and they will have to carry that stench forever.

Just my opinion about what her place in history should be. But to address your other points, I really don't think Walz ever had national aspirations. Neither do I think democrats are in a place where they can't recover. Which brings me back to my point, a 47/53 senate and a 213-215/220-222 house is infinitely more recoverable than the electoral massacre Biden staying as the nominee would have resulted in. 

 

It could have been better but it also could have been alot worse, hence why I'm thankful she stepped in. You're welcome to disagree though. 

[ClashAndBurn]

6 minutes ago, Tovitov said:

Just my opinion about what her place in history should be. But to address your other points, I really don't think Walz ever had national aspirations. Neither do I think democrats are in a place where they can't recover. Which brings me back to my point, a 47/53 senate and a 213-215/220-222 house is infinitely more recoverable than the electoral massacre Biden staying as the nominee would have resulted in. 

 

It could have been better but it also could have been alot worse, hence why I'm thankful she stepped in. You're welcome to disagree though. 

That's fair enough for you, but I still think she deserves to get tarred as a villain all the same. For participating in covering up the dementia decline of Genocide Joe most of all, but her campaign was objectively awful.

 

Like, I legit wish I could take back my vote over the Cheney thing. I truly hate her so much for that. She didn't win my state anyway, since she bombed so hard. It would have changed nothing.

[Thuggin]

2 hours ago, Ichinaru19 said:

I had to leave that subreddit, the toxicity to trans people was so annoying

 

2 hours ago, Marianah Adkins said:

The trend that I'm seeing is that the LGB peeps are willing to throw the trans peeps under the bus in exchange of greater recognition (I'm already seeing this take from some normies, distinguishing gays/lesbians from trans). 

 

Just sad and ironic to see that trans people were the first one to throw the brick for freedom and yet they are now the ones receiving the harsh end of the stick. 

Posts admitting they voted Trump having lots of upvotes 

 

I'm sorry but is there anyone dumber than gays 4 Trump? Like it's not just their politics but they always come across so much more vapid than the average Trump supporter. It's all the richer that 98% of the posts on that sub are about gay sex, like please show that sub to the right wing and I guarantee you they'll be advocating for camps tomorrow

 

[Wonderland]

I can't @ how close the house ended up

 

It's gonna be one George Santos away from flipping

 

 

[Relampago.]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Nah, Kamala deserves to be bashed, along with the entire party apparatus. That includes Biden and everyone else that hid his declining condition from the country in the hopes that they could conceal the fact that he'd be in full-blown dementia well into his second term.

 

She does not deserve to have history be kind to her. At all. She ran a disastrously bad campaign and may have completely killed her party's future viability as a result of the damage. She certainly killed any hope of Walz ever having a career once his term as governor is over. They are a party of LOSERS who lost to a 34-times-convicted felon, and they will have to carry that stench forever.

Idk why you're getting so many downvotes, I mean, I do, but logically you're speaking truth.

 

Listen, I think Kamala is a lovely personality. I enjoyed her memes and some of her moments during the campaign… but if we're acting like Biden was the only thing holding her back, we're losing sight of the bigger picture. Even if Biden didn't exist, Harris still ran a campaign that hinged on bringing Republicans to her side, at the cost of 10 million other Biden voters that stayed home lol. 

 

If we're not being honest about how Harris ran a mediocre campaign while ALSO trying to fight against her administration's awful approval ratings… then we're setting ourselves up to lose again. I do feel kind of bad for Harris, she ran about as bad of a campaign as Clinton and Biden (although, I'd argue that somehow Biden's was more progressive wildly enough.) But she decided to run the campaign she wanted to and now she's the scapegoat. 

 

She's a smart woman, she knew what she was getting into, and she knew what she was doing. She's not some innocent person who was held at gun point to hop into the election and bring Liz Cheney around. If we're not telling the truth about that and instead infantilize her and absolve her of any responsibility and wrongdoing, then we're poised to nominate another uninspiring candidate like Harris. 

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[ClashAndBurn]

2 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

Idk why you're getting so many downvotes, I mean, I do, but logically you're speaking truth.

 

Listen, I think Kamala is a lovely personality. I enjoyed her memes and some of her moments during the campaign… but if we're acting like Biden was the only thing holding her back, we're losing sight of the bigger picture. Even if Biden didn't exist, Harris still ran a campaign that hinged on bringing Republicans to her side, at the cost of 10 million other Biden voters that stayed home lol. 

 

If we're not being honest about how Harris ran a mediocre campaign while ALSO trying to fight against her administration's awful approval ratings… then we're setting ourselves up to lose again. I do feel kind of bad for Harris, she ran about as bad of a campaign as Clinton and Biden (although, I'd argue that somehow Biden's was more progressive wildly enough.) But she decided to run the campaign she wanted to and now she's the scapegoat. 

 

She's a smart woman, she knew what she was getting into, and she knew what she was doing. She's not some innocent person who was held at gun point to hop into the election and bring Liz Cheney around. If we're not telling the truth about that and instead infantilize her and absolve her of any responsibility and wrongdoing, then we're poised to nominate another uninspiring candidate like Harris. 

The whole "There's nothing better that Kamala could have done" thing is SO self-defeating. Like literally, if you truly believe that, then what is the point? Because TRULY her campaign choices in the final month were mind-bogglingly BAD. Trotting out the Cheneys. Sending Ritchie Torres to Michigan to berate Muslims. Bill Clinton doing the same while ALSO spewing the same bile as Mike Huckabee about how the West Bank is really Judea and Samaria, and really Palestine is just fake... like... She wasn't courting those votes. She wasn't offering any sort of olive branch or influence at all to the left like @Sannie wants to claim. She was actively trying to turn us away.

[Relampago.]

1 hour ago, Thuggin said:

 

Posts admitting they voted Trump having lots of upvotes 

 

I'm sorry but is there anyone dumber than gays 4 Trump? Like it's not just their politics but they always come across so much more vapid than the average Trump supporter. It's all the richer that 98% of the posts on that sub are about gay sex, like please show that sub to the right wing and I guarantee you they'll be advocating for camps tomorrow

 

Naur it's true, the average Trump supporter is genuinely usually some regular degular person who is jaded against the current admin. 

 

Then there's the Gays4Trump who are so self-obsessed they don't even realize their rights are on the cusp of being a thing of the past. They just want to live the straight fantasy as closely as possible. 

 

The irony of it all, trans people are so resilient because of the reality they already live in, while a lot of these gay bros have become so accustomed to having "equal rights", it seems they've forgotten what it was like when society was less accepting. Not to glamorize trans people's struggles, but they're ultimately way stronger as people than gay bros ever will be. 

[Relampago.]

7 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

The whole "There's nothing better that Kamala could have done" thing is SO self-defeating. Like literally, if you truly believe that, then what is the point? Because TRULY her campaign choices in the final month were mind-bogglingly BAD. Trotting out the Cheneys. Sending Ritchie Torres to Michigan to berate Muslims. Bill Clinton doing the same while ALSO spewing the same bile as Mike Huckabee about how the West Bank is really Judea and Samaria, and really Palestine is just fake... like... She wasn't courting those votes. She wasn't offering any sort of olive branch or influence at all to the left like @Sannie wants to claim. She was actively trying to turn us away.

The olive branch to the left was clearly Walz and what happened to him… they locked him away and told him not to come out until he supports Israel's "expansion"

 

What's not clicking ladies? She actively drove away the left!

[ClashAndBurn]

5 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

The olive branch to the left was clearly Walz and what happened to him… they locked him away and told him not to come out until he supports Israel's "expansion"

 

What's not clicking ladies? She actively drove away the left!

The real tea I've heard is that Shapiro decided that being second banana wasn't for him, bowed out, and left the Harris Campaign with Walz as sloppy seconds. Unconfirmed, but checks out with Shapiro's... personality. 

 

Like, they knew the BLM oppo research would be potent ammunition, so I'm not sure why anyone thinks they chose him as an olive branch to the left when really, they just exhausted all the other frontrunners that they could have gone with. Cooper and Beshear were both better off where they were, as final bastions against Conservative legislatures. Shapiro was a diva. Pete was really the final pick for the dodgeball team and an absolute last resort, so it came down to Walz through process of elimination really  

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[Wonderland]

I hope Shapiro goes the way of Desantis... Seems like the obvious heir after a massive win as governor but then flops in the primary to some new anti-establishment insurgent