Cruel Summer Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Tried to talk about the election with my ex in a coffee shop and got several weird looks from people who didn't like that I was saying "liberals" derogatorily bc they didn't hear that I was saying it from the left, like I'm sorry, it's the truth, it's derogatory, ugh this is going to be such an uphill battle 8
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Imagine China, Russia, and America coming together to make a super union
anti-bitch Posted November 8 Posted November 8 7 minutes ago, Bloo said: Blaming voters is a waste of time. Blame people with power. Kamala Harris is not stupid. She is a well-educated woman with well-educated people looking over all the data, the polls, etc. Kamala Harris and her team knew that there was a high Arab American population in Michigan. They knew that Gaza was a big issue. They knew Biden was deeply unpopular. They knew that Biden got fewer Republican voters than Hillary Clinton. They knew that the progressive policies are popular. They knew all of that and still chose to cast off Arab American voters, thinking they'd net enough Liz Cheney fans, and disenfranchised voters that respond to economic populism. They chose to cast off those voters and make blunder after blunder after blunder. Kamala Harris chose to not distance herself from Biden after he was literally bullied out of running again because the country deeply hates him. She knew. Yet she still made countless decisions that resulted in her loss against Donald Trump. This loss is on her. If you believe in Democracy, then you cannot say voters are evil if they don't vote for a candidate you want. Kamala made countless avoidable mistakes and she deserves most of the blame. Biden is the only other person deserving of a significant amount of blame because, yes, his ego prevented a Democratic primary process from happening. It's not about what I want, but what Black women wanted. And yeah, it's pointless to blame. But if you see them being angry and upset, it's valid. And if anyone cares about Palestine, it's also Black women. And no, I don't wanna sound like I speak on their behalf, it's just the reaction I've seen online the past two days. Again, I hope everybody survives. I just can't escape the feeling that would have been more likely if Kamala was the President. How could she not as a mixed Black woman feel the suffering of the Gazan women and children in her bones? Maybe she did, but she just couldn't say it like that for whatever reason. I know it's too late now, but I wish she'd say it now. 1
Virgos Groove Posted November 8 Posted November 8 14 minutes ago, Save-Me-Oprah said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut_(squirrel) incredible things are happening on Wikipedia First time as a tragedy, second time as a farce 1
modeblock Posted November 8 Posted November 8 maybe trumpie was right about the enemy from within, but he wasn't talking about voters. he was talking about neoliberal freaks that only care about their political careers, reputation, and their donors.
Lil Mistee Posted November 8 Posted November 8 41 minutes ago, Communion said: Not me trying to re-find the post where I say the day before election day the discourse from #those pundits was sounding like people knowing they'd lose and 1) ***** @Armani? The way what we thought would be the male average ended up being... the combined average. (Edit - whoops, CNN's exit poll updated to Dems only +6 w/ Latinos, -12 w/ Latino Men and +22 w/ Latino Women, a 34-point gender gap.) 2) Dems 100% knew for weeks they were losing Latino men in droves and have been planting the "culture war" seeds to cover their poor economic messaging. I'm confused are you agreeing with this lady or not mess
nooniebao Posted November 8 Posted November 8 (edited) 17 minutes ago, jakeisphat said: That's what happens when you shift even further to the right than Biden/Harris in one of the most liberal cities in the nation. Didn't people vote her out in SF cause they thought she was too soft on crime though? Edited November 8 by nooniebao 1
Cruel Summer Posted November 8 Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, GhostBox said: 🤷 Messaging and policy from the top of the ticket matters. 2 1
anastaciabby Posted November 8 Posted November 8 12 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: I think part of it is about putting money and resources around community outreach and engagement year round.....we can not wait for an election year to start engaging and pumping out our message Agreed. We really need to go back to grassroots movements starting January. We need to educate our people, tell them what's going on in their state without some pink shades like the democrats did. Texas is running out of water, barely growing crops anymore, they've been banning books, they're cutting benefits, and so on. Those issues matter to them, people are selfish, they want to hear what benefits them lbr and yes them looking down at women is a thing also religion so they weren't voting based on women's rights. I hope it doesn't get worse though I know it will, but hopefully we have a chance to make a movement without getting arrested by the new police state that's about to get alot worse 1
Communion Posted November 8 Posted November 8 20 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: I think part of it is about putting money and resources around community outreach and engagement year round.....we can not wait for an election year to start engaging and pumping out our message I really do recommend reading the link I had share before from the one journalist who has spent months in the Rio Grande Valley. Even in his reporting that Latino men are not inherently repelled by conservative culture or Republican talking points like Democratic rhetoric would suggest, he also said the same surveys of Latino men show a clear majority report their #1 issue as being the economy and viewing everything else as in connection to it. The "they claim it's the economy, but....." line of thinking doesn't seem to work when the same Latino men voting for him have no trouble admitting that they know Trump is a racist but are hedging their bets that it won't be as harsh as he portrays himself to be. 1 1
jakeisphat Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, nooniebao said: Didn't people vote her out in SF cause they thought she was too soft on crim though? No, that was former S.F. District Attorney Chesa Boudin. Breed actually spearheaded the effort to get him recalled and during her tenure she gave SFPD the largest budget it has ever had an even used a right-wing Supreme Court decision to justify prosecuting homeless people. She ran as a progressive at the beginning of her career, but during the pandemic she took a hard right shift. 1
hallucinate Posted November 8 Posted November 8 what are the chances of trump suddenly croaking he got any illnesses?
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 8 Posted November 8 I have a question for those who understand the intricacies and Machiavellian side of politics: What would have happened to Kamala Harris if, during her DNC nomination acceptance speech, she announced a commitment to an arms embargo on Israel and declared that, as president, she would not support their war? Suppose she framed this stance as both a moral and economic issue, saying we need to invest in our own economy instead. I know this is a naive question with a likely straightforward answer, but realistically, at that point, she would be the nominee, and there would be no time to replace her. In fact, what if Joe Biden did the same? What if he fully came out against the war? We often say Israel is a bipartisan issue, but what does that even mean? Congress may block a president's actions, but couldn't the president at least take a stance? (I know both are Zionists, but consider if they weren't inherently so and wanted to make this move.) Trump siding with Putin over Ukraine clearly showed that even deeply systemic patterns in America can be challenged if the president chooses to do so. 1
Foreigner Posted November 8 Posted November 8 More and more I see America becoming dysfunctional just like any latin american country. Trumps behavior goes against everything that used to be sacrosanct in America's political tradition. He behaves like a latin american "caudilho", it's just the way he rules the country, telling easy lies about how he is going to make things great again, while he gets rich. Do americans really think that he is just going put tariffs on imports and other countries won't clap backwards? Things like this will make americans poorer. Putin is not going to abandon China, look who supported his war on Ukraine. White americans need to wake up, while their work force competes on global stage, it's the very political institutions that Trump wants to erode that keeps America great The biggest problem is that a white working class doesn't perceive them as a part of broather global working class. It's a common sense to think that because you're white and you're living in the global north, a entitlement to affordable housing and a nice job is the norm. Some people will have a hardcore social class reveal party, before they find Elon Musk's and your interests are not the same. 2
Save-Me-Oprah Posted November 8 Posted November 8 so has J. Ann Fabrics said anything about her wonky poll yet
BOOMBAYAH Posted November 8 Posted November 8 8 minutes ago, modeblock said: maybe trumpie was right about the enemy from within, but he wasn't talking about voters. he was talking about neoliberal freaks that only care about their political careers, reputation, and their donors. This is what I said before nnn, Trump was clocking the Democrats left, right, and centre. Worst of all, the Democrats are already ignoring all of the sh*t he said about their party (which voters agreed with) and are getting ready to do the same old same old with Presidential candidate Josh Shapiro in 2028. 1
Cruel Summer Posted November 8 Posted November 8 Just now, Save-Me-Oprah said: so has J. Ann Fabrics said anything about her wonky poll yet She's looking into it (I looked up to her so much and my faith in the fundamentals of my own data-oriented profession has been shaken to its core) She's probably going to share her findings and talk about how it was just a very unlucky sample (I will genuinely never recover from this) 2
RihRihGirrrl Posted November 8 Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said: I have a question for those who understand the intricacies and Machiavellian side of politics: What would have happened to Kamala Harris if, during her DNC nomination acceptance speech, she announced a commitment to an arms embargo on Israel and declared that, as president, she would not support their war? Suppose she framed this stance as both a moral and economic issue, saying we need to invest in our own economy instead. I know this is a naive question with a likely straightforward answer, but realistically, at that point, she would be the nominee, and there would be no time to replace her. In fact, what if Joe Biden did the same? What if he fully came out against the war? We often say Israel is a bipartisan issue, but what does that even mean? Congress may block a president's actions, but couldn't the president at least take a stance? (I know both are Zionists, but consider if they weren't inherently so and wanted to make this move.) Trump siding with Putin over Ukraine clearly showed that even deeply systemic patterns in America can be challenged if the president chooses to do so. America's support of Isreal isn't just a systematic pattern....it's rooted in the fact that Zionist control the political landscape and corporate donor structure in the U.S 1
Marianah Adkins Posted November 8 Posted November 8 15 minutes ago, GhostBox said: 🤷 Sherrod wouldve won in 2020. The environment in which he lost this year was thanks to the Biden's failures against the working class. Its time to stop giving them excuses. They absolutely flopped and they deserved to get lashed 1
Communion Posted November 8 Posted November 8 5 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: I'm confused are you agreeing with this lady or not mess No, I'm saying I called it out that this was somehow going to be a talking point amongst DC pundits - despite that Latinx hasn't even be an item of discussion in academic or leftist spaces in like... years - because the week before the election, you had DC ghouls like Matt Yglesias out of nowhere finding random academic studies on the impact of Latinx as a term on voters and spotlighting the findings. Even when the study was done by queer Mexican academics themselves researching queerphobia in Hispanic populations. These pundits with intel knew Harris was going to lose cause Latino men didn't care about symbolic gestures of partisanship or "democracy" and instead just wanna be able to pay their rent. Dems knew all along that they were on track to have a historic lost and that their right-wing pandering wasn't winning anyone over. That people like Yglesias and Shor got the exact kind of campaign they always wanted out of Democrats, that it failed, and now they're trying to throw progressives under the bus shows that either leftists attempt another hostile takeover of the party or accept the party is not worth being in. Even in their most embarrassing moments of defeat, the centrist punditry is advocating for more and more shifts towards conservatism. 2 2
CandyCoatedClouds Posted November 8 Posted November 8 A coworker at my job voted for the first time in his 30 years of living... for Trump. Before that he was a Bernie bro. I can imagine what lead him from the path of Bernie bro to Trump supporter.
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