RihRihGirrrl Posted October 11 Posted October 11 1 minute ago, Vermillion said: The inherent problem is this turning off the exact black men who this message was NOT for. I don't think it will....I think the black men who are voting for Kamala already see anyone who supports Trump, as totally out there. I do agree that it's not the best way to reach black male 'Trump voters'....but honestly, I don't know if there is anyway to reach that crowd.
Armani? Posted October 11 Posted October 11 14 minutes ago, RihRihGirrrl said: That wasn't the message....his message was to any black men who are voting for Trump because they think he exhibits strenght because he's a 'man' despite his constant bulling, lies, and belittling....it's misguided may be rooted in their reluctants to having a women in power. The message was not to all black men. He said that, but he also said that Black men generally are not as enthusiastic about Kamala and turned into a lecture session. Either way it's not good messaging It could have been framed more effectively if that's the route he's going in since he's also Black. His reasoning in his answers amounted to platitudes, it wasn't exactly convincing to who the message was for.
RihRihGirrrl Posted October 11 Posted October 11 3 minutes ago, Armani? said: He said that, but he also said that Black men generally are not as enthusiastic about Kamala Either way it's not good messaging It could have been framed more effectively if that's the route he's going in since he's also Black. His reasoning in his answers amounted to platitudes, it wasn't exactly convincing to who the message was for Maybe....but I for one, as a black woman, appreciated the message. Throughout history, Black women have always been first in line to support black men, and frankly, that same level of support is rarely reciprocated. And it's a debate we so often have in our community and really not one that any black person hasn't heard before. I do agree, he needs to massage the message if he plans to continue down this route. I think it's probably better to have the discussion in a town hall setting. 3
nadiamendell Posted October 11 Posted October 11 10 minutes ago, Blade said: fwiw this election has felt super 2016 in the past week sigh 25 days Online it does, but not as much in real life. Kamala seems to have more momentum and support than Hillary ever did, regardless of what the polls may say. She continues to draw crowds dramatically larger than Hillary could have even dreamed to have drawn in 2016. It also feels different locally. When I drive through small towns in Indiana and see almost as many Kamala signs as I do Trump signs, it definitely feels different. We're really not going to know the truth until election night (or the days after) and I really just feel like logging off and zoning out until then. 1 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 11 ATRL Moderator Posted October 11 45 minutes ago, Raspberries said: Imagine wasting campaign donations like this. If Jill Stein has no shot at winning, then why bother run campaign ads against her? 3 1
Tovitov Posted October 11 Posted October 11 8 minutes ago, Blade said: fwiw this election has felt super 2016 in the past week sigh 25 days 2016 never felt all that close. Hillary had solid leads in the midwest and was campaigning in AZ. Had you asked me before the Comey surprise, I'd have said Hillary was heavily favored. Even after Comey, I figured she'd win. Now we all have PTSD from 2016, all the swing states are within a point and the vibes have turned bad for some reason. I dunno. I think I might tune out myself because I hate dooming more than anything. It's so uniquely democrat to admit you've lost before the game has even happened(not directed at you, just commenting on the "vibes")
Blade Posted October 11 Posted October 11 8 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: Online it does, but not as much in real life. Kamala seems to have more momentum and support than Hillary ever did, regardless of what the polls may say. She continues to draw crowds dramatically larger than Hillary could have even dreamed to have drawn in 2016. It also feels different locally. When I drive through small towns in Indiana and see almost as many Kamala signs as I do Trump signs, it definitely feels different. We're really not going to know the truth until election night (or the days after) and I really just feel like logging off and zoning out until then. Do you think Hamilton County will flip this election?
Vermillion Posted October 11 Posted October 11 9 minutes ago, Bloo said: Imagine wasting campaign donations like this. If Jill Stein has no shot at winning, then why bother run campaign ads against her? To reduce her margins. Again, I'm just the messenger and that's likely their thinking.
Tovitov Posted October 11 Posted October 11 7 minutes ago, Blade said: CA red wave ? Honestly, this tweet might be my breaking point. I refuse to live the next month of reading posts saying its "Joeover"
Space Cowboy Posted October 11 Posted October 11 5 minutes ago, Bloo said: Imagine wasting campaign donations like this. If Jill Stein has no shot at winning, then why bother run campaign ads against her? Trump won PA in 2016 with a margin of 44K votes. Stein got 49K votes. Trump won MI in 2016 with a margin of 11K votes. Stein got 51K votes. Trump won WI in 2016 with a margin of 23K votes. Stein got 31K votes. Voting third party is a voting for Trump period. 1 2 3
Blade Posted October 11 Posted October 11 10 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: Online it does, but not as much in real life. Kamala seems to have more momentum and support than Hillary ever did, regardless of what the polls may say. She continues to draw crowds dramatically larger than Hillary could have even dreamed to have drawn in 2016. It also feels different locally. When I drive through small towns in Indiana and see almost as many Kamala signs as I do Trump signs, it definitely feels different. We're really not going to know the truth until election night (or the days after) and I really just feel like logging off and zoning out until then. I forgot to add that it doesn't feel like October 2016. It feels like a lot of the Hillary missteps that we saw AFTER she lost are being repeated. My not so specific prediction is that we have no clue how badly the hurricane impacted NC and GA in terms of the turnout/electorate's enthusiasm. I'm preparing myself for some weird final results there whether it be GA Trump +5 or NC Kamala +3
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 11 ATRL Moderator Posted October 11 1 minute ago, Vermillion said: To reduce her margins. Again, I'm just the messenger and that's likely their thinking. I figured that’s their thinking. But it’s a bit hilarious because simply calling for an arms embargo is cheaper and would be more effective to win over people that might feel like voting for Stein. 2
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 11 ATRL Moderator Posted October 11 1 minute ago, Space Cowboy said: Trump won PA in 2016 with a margin of 44K votes. Stein got 49K votes. Trump won MI in 2016 with a margin of 11K votes. Stein got 51K votes. Trump won WI in 2016 with a margin of 23K votes. Stein got 31K votes. Voting third party is a voting for Trump period. Babe, I know the numbers. The point is that people choosing to vote Stein with those numbers in mind are not going to be swayed by a DNC anti-Stein ad. It’s a waste of money. 2
Blade Posted October 11 Posted October 11 2 minutes ago, Tovitov said: Honestly, this tweet might be my breaking point. I refuse to live the next month of reading posts saying its "Joeover" I live in CA and I WANT to see a red wave here if (AND ONLY IF) it means the NYT findings are true and the big states are gonna pull the popular vote EC margin down and Harris really is up in the rust belt.
Armani? Posted October 11 Posted October 11 17 minutes ago, Bloo said: Imagine wasting campaign donations like this. If Jill Stein has no shot at winning, then why bother run campaign ads against her? They're supposedly frantic about Black men shifting right 2% but this is what they choose to make ads for, still haven't seen anything from her campaign to counter, just other outside pacs 3
Tovitov Posted October 11 Posted October 11 2 minutes ago, Blade said: I forgot to add that it doesn't feel like October 2016. It feels like a lot of the Hillary missteps that we saw AFTER she lost are being repeated. My not so specific prediction is that we have no clue how badly the hurricane impacted NC and GA in terms of the turnout/electorate's enthusiasm. I'm preparing myself for some weird final results there whether it be GA Trump +5 or NC Kamala +3 But what misteps? Hillary's biggest issues were her public image and her constant stream of scandals. Kamala doesnt have either of those problems.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted October 11 ATRL Moderator Posted October 11 2 minutes ago, Raspberries said: I was one of the ones pushing for her to replace Biden. It’s sad she’s become this terrible in such a short amount of time. 5 1 2
nadiamendell Posted October 11 Posted October 11 14 minutes ago, Blade said: Do you think Hamilton County will flip this election? I think it's possible. The general trend is college-educated suburban whites going blue and more and more of them have been moving to Hamilton County. It will be interesting to see.
Armani? Posted October 11 Posted October 11 6 minutes ago, Blade said: @Armani? is shaking 80 - 14 is probably coming Hopefully Siena has something not bipolar lol.
GhostBox Posted October 11 Posted October 11 (edited) It's funny Harris has been getting better polls in the sun belt recently. It's like complete opposite from before 💀 but whatever wins her the white house is all that matters 💃🏽💃🏽💃🏽 Edited October 11 by GhostBox 1
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