Blade Posted October 9 Posted October 9 17 minutes ago, bunnyeyes said: How are the girlies here feeling about Harris and dems completely abandoning talking about DACAmented youth? It's sad and bleak here. If she doesnt address it on Thursday at the town hall i'll be MEGA ******* FUMING 1 1
Space Cowboy Posted October 9 Posted October 9 22 minutes ago, Vermillion said: They should just eliminate the "winner-takes-all" system and allocate each state's electors based on the percentage of votes received.
anti-bitch Posted October 9 Posted October 9 14 minutes ago, FameFatale said: My mom was talking about some crazy ridiculous things this afternoon. She has fell into the hurricane conspiracies unfortunately. She was saying there's a specific item the government puts in the gulf to stir up hurricanes and then something about NC was hit because of their lithium mining. I tried to argue with her but it's useless. I don't know who she is anymore. I thought she was over all this. Publishing and promoting misinformation should be criminalized. Also it should be studied who's driving these conspiracies. In 2020 people went crazy over Covid and the vaccines, and now the hurricanes. It seems to get worse each election time. 5 3
Tovitov Posted October 9 Posted October 9 (edited) FWIW, I dont think its entirely stupid for Kamala to go after on the fence Republicans. Trump arguably did poorly in the 2024 Republican primary. There are alot of Nikki Haley voters out there. Do I think Harris will win many over? No. But it could make a difference, especially given losses with more traditional dem voters. It's a balancing act though and she cant risk pissing off liberals too much. Although most of us would vote for a Ham Sandwich if it meant beating Trump for good Edit: What year is it? Edited October 9 by Tovitov 3 1
Communion Posted October 9 Posted October 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bears01 said: In terms of policy up until, I wanna say the rail strike union busting or 10/7/23, I think democrats for the better moved left on areas that I didn't expect them to. Putting Lina Khan in charge of the FTC and being strong against anti trust, billions of dollars into specifically helping out the teamsters union In The ARP, being able for Medicare to take charge of prescription drug prices, and expanding the IRS to go after tax cheats…..all good and popular policy!!!!!! 10/7 onwards has been a different story. I think there were issues throughout, but that they could be explained by the administration slipping to the right the moment any kind of pressure was let up. Not to do a post-mortem, but much of his policy wins and failures show at least a running trend for why they happened. Like his foreign policy was off to a good start with the withdrawal from Afghanistan, but then elite media freaked out and DC staffers basically ruined the next 4 years of how the US approached foreign policy: Biden freezing the funds of the central bank of Afghanistan while Afghans starved, defending Israel killing Shireen, etc. Basically the admin DID respond to pressure, but it took just such a disproportionate amount of pressure for a reaction that often felt too small or too late (student debt, marijuana still not being rescheduled). Or which would collapse to greater pressure from the media when looking for a reason to pivot right (like with Afghanistan). That's why there's just a jarring discrepancy between the misdirected resentment being felt by partisan liberals towards leftists for not getting on board and "being team players" by silently supporting Harris' endorsement of genocide vs the amount of silent pushing and supporting Biden against Republicans leftists largely had to do during his administration. Dems swinging more further to the right than in the last 20 years despite progressives helping Biden beat Trump in 2020 and delivering a kind of blue wave in the 2022 midterms feels insulting. That Biden was going to do this just days before Roe v. Wade was overturned was.. crazy: That this was Dems' attitude to abortion before SCOTUS completely changed the conversation: It's crazy to think how the Dems would have began pivoting to the right on LGBTQ rights following the onslaught of GOP attacks if abortion didn't become a lane for Dems. They were already laying out the foundation to do so: Edited October 9 by Communion 4
Bears01 Posted October 9 Posted October 9 4 minutes ago, Communion said: I think there were issues throughout, but that they could be explained by the administration slipping to the right the moment any kind of pressure was let up. Not to do a post-mortem, but much of his policy wins and failures show at least a running trend for why they happened. Like his foreign policy was off to a good start with the withdrawal from Afghanistan, but then elite media freaked out and DC staffers basically ruined the next 4 years of how the US approached foreign policy: Biden freezing the funds of the central bank of Afghanistan while Afghans starved, defending Israel killing Shireen, etc. Basically the admin DID respond to pressure, but it took just such a disproportionate amount of pressure for a reaction that often felt too small or too late (student debt, marijuana still not being rescheduled). Or which would collapse to greater pressure from the media when looking for a reason to pivot right (like with Afghanistan). That's why there's just a jarring discrepancy between the misdirected resentment being felt by partisan progressives liberals towards leftists for not getting on board and being team players vs the amount of silent pushing and supporting Biden against Republicans leftists have largely had to do during his administration. Dems swinging further to the right than in the last 20 years despite progressives helping Biden beat Trump in 2020 and deliver a kind of blue wave in the 2022 midyears feels insulting. That Biden was going to do this just days before Roe v. Wade was overturned was.. crazy: That this was Dems' attitude to abortion before SCOTUS completely changed the conversation: It's crazy to think how the Dems would have began pivoting to the right on LGBTQ rights following the onslaught of GOP attacks if abortion didn't become a lane for Dems. They were already laying out the foundation to do so: Not in disagreement. I was kind of cherry-picking and also noticing certain areas where Biden noticeably improved vs Obama and it was kind of in the "unsexy" areas, like who they appointed at the NLRB, or making Julie Su Deputy Secretary of labor, Lina Khan and Jonathan Kanter at the DOJ, but also just directly putting into law saving the teamsters pensions. It definitely wasn't Bernie level of progressive movement, but it was good policy and a step in the right direction in many ways. Somewhere between the Busting of the rail strike and 10/7, it's all gone completely wrong, and it came right after democrats had a historically strong midterm where their opponents (as usual) still called them "radical, SCARY, communists" anyway. Hell, democrats had a mini blue wave just last November, and their only take away from it is "it's only because of abortion", but you didn't see Andy Beshear out there calling for mass deportations, you seen him being a fierce defender of organized labor, and winning…. 1 3
If U Seek Amy Posted October 9 Posted October 9 42 minutes ago, Vermillion said: This has been the worst for everyone here. I do mail-in anyway, but if I wanted to vote early in person in my county, I have to travel 30ish minutes by car. And I am not even rural at all
If U Seek Amy Posted October 9 Posted October 9 27 minutes ago, Tovitov said: FWIW, I dont think its entirely stupid for Kamala to go after on the fence Republicans. Trump arguably did poorly in the 2024 Republican primary. There are alot of Nikki Haley voters out there. Do I think Harris will win many over? No. But it could make a difference, especially given losses with more traditional dem voters. It's a balancing act though and she cant risk pissing off liberals too much. Although most of us would vote for a Ham Sandwich if it meant beating Trump for good Edit: What year is it? While Harris not winning Ohio, there are surprisingly a lot of those types here. And that speaks to the greater Midwest a bit too. It is not a significant number, but in elections this close it becomes significant. Especially with women. They tend to often lean slightly conservative (for the US at least) but socially they find Trump/MAGA appalling so they either will not vote or will vote Democratic. Even a non-vote helps because normally they would vote Republican. They are generally tuned out of politics, so they just normally vote whoever their husband or family votes. But with someone as loud as Trump/MAGA it makes it hard for them not to hear and get disgusted. 1 1
Onyxmage Posted October 9 Posted October 9 1 hour ago, FameFatale said: My mom was talking about some crazy ridiculous things this afternoon. She has fell into the hurricane conspiracies unfortunately. She was saying there's a specific item the government puts in the gulf to stir up hurricanes and then something about NC was hit because of their lithium mining. I tried to argue with her but it's useless. I don't know who she is anymore. I thought she was over all this. omg stay strong sis. Hopefully people will break out of this spell soon. 2 1
Communion Posted October 9 Posted October 9 11 minutes ago, Bears01 said: Not in disagreement. I was kind of cherry-picking and also noticing certain areas where Biden noticeably improved vs Obama and it was kind of in the "unsexy" areas, like who they appointed at the NLRB, or making Julie Su Deputy Secretary of labor, Lina Khan and Jonathan Kanter at the DOJ, but also just directly putting into law saving the teamsters pensions. It definitely wasn't Bernie level of progressive movement, but it was good policy and a step in the right direction in many ways. Somewhere between the Busting of the rail strike and 10/7, it's all gone completely wrong, and it came right after democrats had a historically strong midterm where their opponents (as usual) still called them "radical, SCARY, communists" anyway. Hell, democrats had a mini blue wave just last November, and their only take away from it is "it's only because of abortion", but you didn't see Andy Beshear out there calling for mass deportations, you seen him being a fierce defender of organized labor, and winning…. Oh sorry sis if I was rambling without making a clear point jknkjn I think I was just trying to get across that Democrats are elected officials at the end of the day and thus hold power, that power corrupts, and thus Dems act in the interests of the powerful. And instead of hoping for them eventually landing in some progressive place, progressives should acknowledge that we as progressives will always be at odds with elected Dems. And that the end-goal should always be continued agitating and threatening the Democratic Party for as long as it holds any kind of meaningful power that makes it worth agitating. Dems will never be enough because no political party will ever be enough. The relationship should always be adversarial, not parasocial. See: Dems having no ideological commitment to abortion. Many in the establishment were willing to weaken abortion before SCOTUS did it for them. Which is what I meant by the issues that came when pressure was lifted. Or the uncomfortable discussion that @Bloo touched on. In that, yes, there's been progress, but where did that progress come from? What inspired it? Progressives offered no primary challenge to Biden and got no reward. Progressives even were willing to stand by Biden staying in and Harris is now largely dismantling the progressive achievements Biden built to appease loud progressives in 2020. If one was to look back on the past 8 years, the main driver of progress was largely... Dems interpreting voters punishing them for snubbing Sanders in 2016 and punishing Clinton by letting her lose to Trump. Biden made all those promises to the left... out of the fear voters could punish him like they punished Hillary by making her lose. This of course isn't accelerationism, which would just advocate for voting for Trump. No one is voting for Trump. The mere reality of a demand that conditions a vote that could go to Dems isn't accelerationism. There's many votes Harris could win by meeting basic conditions. But as Bloo said... the squeaky wheel gets the grease. 3 3
nadiamendell Posted October 9 Posted October 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, FameFatale said: My mom was talking about some crazy ridiculous things this afternoon. She has fell into the hurricane conspiracies unfortunately. She was saying there's a specific item the government puts in the gulf to stir up hurricanes and then something about NC was hit because of their lithium mining. I tried to argue with her but it's useless. I don't know who she is anymore. I thought she was over all this. My older brother (he's gen X) texted the whole family last night with these conspiracies along with something about JFK, Diddy, Epstein and it "all being revealed soon". He said he's got his prepper packs and is "ready for the blackouts". I'm getting SO tired of the **** conspiracies and false information that these MAGA hacks are spreading which the vulnerable and poorly educated are eating up. It's going to lead to more people getting hurt and another January 6th-style event. The leaders of these social media companies should honestly be jailed for allowing this stuff to spread like wildfire. Edited October 9 by nadiamendell 3 2
Bears01 Posted October 9 Posted October 9 7 minutes ago, Communion said: Oh sorry sis if I was rambling without making a clear point jknkjn I think I was just trying to get across that Democrats are elected officials at the end of the day and thus hold power, that power corrupts, and thus Dems act in the interests of the powerful. And instead of hoping for them eventually landing in some progressive place, progressives should acknowledge that we as progressives will always be at odds with elected Dems. And that the end-goal should always be continued agitating and threatening the Democratic Party for as long as it holds any kind of meaningful power that makes it worth agitating. Dems will never be enough because no political party will ever be enough. The relationship should always be adversarial, not parasocial. See: Dems having no ideological commitment to abortion. Many in the establishment were willing to weaken abortion before SCOTUS did it for them. Which is what I meant by the issues that came when pressure was lifted. Or the uncomfortable discussion that @Bloo touched on. In that, yes, there's been progress, but where did that progress come from? What inspired it? Progressives offered no primary challenge to Biden and got no reward. Progressives even were willing to stand by Biden staying in and Harris is now largely dismantling the progressive achievements Biden built to appease loud progressives in 2020. If one was to look back on the past 8 years, the main driver of progress was largely... Dems interpreting voters punishing them for snubbing Sanders in 2016 and punishing Clinton by letting her lose to Trump. Biden made all those promises to the left... out of the fear voters could punish him like they punished Hillary by making her lose. This of course isn't accelerationism, which would just advocate for voting for Trump. No one is voting for Trump. The mere reality of a demand that conditions a vote that could go to Dems isn't accelerationism. There's many votes Harris could win by meeting basic conditions. But as Bloo said... the squeaky wheel gets the grease. No friend, you didn't ramble. You made great points and I was just further specifying my original point Were largely in complete agreement, I'm just saying that although Democrat elected officials largely do answer for the wealthy (and always will) for a brief period in time, I was seeing actions from them that legit made me happy to vote for them while keeping their feet to the fire (as a type 1 diabetic, it was monumental to see Medicare being able to negotiate the price of insulin for seniors, I've suffered first hand the insane price of insulin while being uninsured before). I would like to see a return to that, but the signs of that happening again are not there. Both by Kamala's actions and just the fact that the numbers in congress more than likely won't even be there anyway. 2020 showed that while Trump himself is a huge problem facing this country, there much deeper issues at hand that need to be addressed too. But here we are again, where I'm voting in another election because: "orange man bad" and I don't want my D+3 district to be responsible for chaos and the difference maker if Trump does win and has full uninterrupted control of the government 1 2
Relampago. Posted October 9 Posted October 9 I really do love all the Tweets that get posted in here because they are super informative but LORD this server needs to get fixed ASAP because the way they make my page bounce up and down on mobile as they load in is What is Harris's plan to allocate funding for ATRL's server? 4 3 7
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