news 2024 US Election Megathread 🇺🇸🏛️

[Sannie]

27 minutes ago, JBJT2786 said:

Where did I say I'm doing out of goodness? I'm literally pointing out my selfishness and ya in here like " well you're in denial from world issues"

 

I know world issues and I donate to Gaza relief and at the protests. But like a normal human being, my self persevation and the safety of my family and friends come first. My voting should effect here first and then overseas. And it's not only for president ( which I wish the average American pays more attention but alas)

 

 

The continued pressure for our government to change stance on Israel is gonna cause change not a Presidential election. 

Girl, you're talking to a wall. They don't care. We have all but begged them to understand we are voting to try and protect our own families and communities the way Palestinian Americans are voting to protect their own families and communities. They don't care. They care about their one issue and their one issue only. Don't waste your breath.

 

20 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

I wish more politicians would address climate change in the same breath as the immigration crisis. Climate migration is real, and is only going to get worse. 

 

Climate change is very easily the biggest issue above every single other issue possible because it is the only one that affects everyone and everything, and that includes all the issues we argue about: Foreign affairs, immigration, social issues, economy, etc. 

 

And yet the only one who really talks about it is Trump and the birds hitting turbines.  

Dems have allowed climate change to become such a taboo topic they're now afraid to really dive into it despite the fact that climate change is affecting us every single day.

 

58 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

I think this is a fair question more people should consider before getting triggered and shutting down, but my answer is: Definitely not.

 

But like I said before, I wouldn't deny any Palestinian protester telling me I'm voting for a genocide, cause I am. I've acknowledged that. But I am voting with the privilege that I have to preserve my own rights, whether Trump will take them or not, the risk is there and unfortunately I'm just not willing to take that risk with the inevitability of one side winning and both sides being pro-genocide. 

 

If Kamala was facilitating the bombing of African Americans in the US, I would lose that self-preservation rationale because even though I am not Black, much like non-Palestinians in Gaza, the US under a Kamala administration will gladly kill indiscriminately to achieve their goal, so I cannot be certain I wouldn't be killed along with African Americans as collateral. 

 

To go even further, if Kamala were only targeting Muslims in Europe and the EU was permitting this in a strange parallel universe, I would still have to vote no because that massive change in the status quo would likely cause worldwide instability that wouldn't benefit me in any way, with Europe being leveled. 

 

The Middle East being leveled is… the status quo. A disgusting pill to swallow, and one I wish to see disappear. I know the US will inevitably have to pay the price for the atrocities it committed and the enemies it's created. But there's a side of me that operates in ideals and a side of me that operates with the reality I'm faced with. I feel in this instance, I simply must vote for Kamala given that I live in a swing state and I am a young male voter. However, if someone else were to scream names of the victims of Israel's disregard for human life or tell me they're refusing to vote for Kamala because they can't support genocide, I wouldn't argue with either. Use your vote and your voice how you wish, and if you're advocating against genocide with it, then I 100% support that and wouldn't try to convince someone not supporting a genocide state to vote for said state maintaining power.

Amazing post, and many of us have said this but get ignored because our answer isn't "GENOCIDE HARRIS WON'T GET MY VOTE."

 

I'm voting for me, my family, my friends, and my community. And I support Palestinian Americans doing the same.

Edited September 4 by Sannie

[Blade]

 

Nate's model weighing Trafalgar as virtually normal but CNN half as important

[Armani?]

50 minutes ago, XDNA said:

Palestine has never been a left or right issue in the US. The standard American policy is a two-state system. Now, some activists are trying to make it a "left" issue, but it really hasn't been before.

Should probably look up the Black Panther Party's solidarity with Palestinians lol. It is historically backed by the left

[FameFatale]

Literally all republican talking points this election

 

 

[ClashAndBurn]

21 minutes ago, Sannie said:

many of us have said this

That has literally not been your response. Everything you've said to leftists has amounted to "YOU ARE WHITE AND PRIVILGED AND WHAT YOU SAY DOES NOT MATTER AND YOU ARE AN AWFUL PERSON IF SUPPORT FOR A GENOCIDE HALF A WORLD AWAY IS YOUR RED LINE." You all will shout down even the ones who've said they plan to vote for her, but still have grievances, telling them to shut up about them.

 

Just. Stop gaslighting. You haven't been gracious to anyone who's ever disagreed with you. You've been very much the opposite this whole time.

[ClashAndBurn]

59 minutes ago, Relampago. said:

I wish more politicians would address climate change in the same breath as the immigration crisis. Climate migration is real, and is only going to get worse. 

 

Climate change is very easily the biggest issue above every single other issue possible because it is the only one that affects everyone and everything, and that includes all the issues we argue about: Foreign affairs, immigration, social issues, economy, etc. 

 

And yet the only one who really talks about it is Trump and the birds hitting turbines.  

At this point, Democrats have completely run away from climate change. They'll blame it on leftists not giving them enough credit for Biden's Inflation Reduction Act being "the largest investment in climate ever" even though it was a total pittance and has completely been offset and rendered an irrelevant gesture by all the drilling and pipelines he's approved (which has been... more than Trump did in 4 years).

[GhostBox]

34 minutes ago, Blade said:

 

Nate's model weighing Trafalgar as virtually normal but CNN half as important

This explains why even though she's gotten decent state numbers today he's still dooming and glooming saying her numbers are getting worse 💀

[Lightbringer007]

3 hours ago, BeenTheShit said:

And we have our first mass shooting of the new school year.  Multiple victims were reported via hospital and the suspect is in custody per police.

 

absolutely heartbreaking that we allow this to become a common thing ... this country is just s**t

[thesegayz]

23 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

You haven't been gracious to anyone who's ever disagreed with you. You've been very much the opposite this whole time.

The pot calling the kettle black lol

 

[Sannie]

 

All right, Miss 'Mala, you better not mess this up.

 

She has the ability to do to Trump what Trump did to Biden (which tbh Biden did to himself :rip:).

 

[Relampago.]

17 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

At this point, Democrats have completely run away from climate change. They'll blame it on leftists not giving them enough credit for Biden's Inflation Reduction Act being "the largest investment in climate ever" even though it was a total pittance and has completely been offset and rendered an irrelevant gesture by all the drilling and pipelines he's approved (which has been... more than Trump did in 4 years).

Definitely, not to mention the ooky spooky coal miners and pro-fracking troupes in PA that Dems are scared of losing.

 

Perhaps if Dems would run more popular policy to offset that loss and pull new voters in rather than trying to share the pool of moderate voters with Republicans, we wouldn't have to worry so much about that. 

[XDNA]

41 minutes ago, Armani? said:

Should probably look up the Black Panther Party's solidarity with Palestinians lol. It is historically backed by the left

I'm talking about contemporary times—the last 30 years, when most of us have been alive. I'm curious: Has the Green Party been fighting for Palestine before it became a hot topic? 

[Musicmajor]

9 minutes ago, Sannie said:

 

All right, Miss 'Mala, you better not mess this up.

 

She has the ability to do to Trump what Trump did to Biden (which tbh Biden did to himself :rip:).

 

After Trump goes on rambling and sounding nonsensical, I want her SO badly to say "I am not sure what he just said, and I don't think he knows either" 

[nadiamendell]

 

 

 

[Sannie]

43 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

That has literally not been your response. Everything you've said to leftists has amounted to "YOU ARE WHITE AND PRIVILGED AND WHAT YOU SAY DOES NOT MATTER AND YOU ARE AN AWFUL PERSON IF SUPPORT FOR A GENOCIDE HALF A WORLD AWAY IS YOUR RED LINE." You all will shout down even the ones who've said they plan to vote for her, but still have grievances, telling them to shut up about them.

 

Just. Stop gaslighting. You haven't been gracious to anyone who's ever disagreed with you. You've been very much the opposite this whole time.

Look, I don't really have a problem with you, tbh. Your posts regarding Palestine have always seemed genuine and not as if you're trying to virtue signal or feel morally superior. And when I learned (I think) you live in GA, a battleground state, I began to respect your opinion a bit more because your convictions on this topic are so strong that you're willing to put aside your relative safety for the betterment of others. I respect that. What I don't respect, and what I've always attempted to put into context, are leftists who live in deep blue states (I won't name names ) who have nothing to lose, telling people in deep red states that they are "genocide supporters" for wanting to vote to try and protect themselves and the people they love. I have said this in the past, but I have two people very, very close to me who could literally die because of the policies the Trump administration and the GOP are promising to implement, so this is all very close and very personal to me. I don't get to sit in a gilded tower inside a blue state surrounded by democratic legislators who will protect me and the people I love from Trump and the GOP, so I do lash out at times. I don't feel like I need to be gracious to cowards like that, to people who demand we listen to them but won't ever listen to us, who want to condemn many of us to possible death just so they can feel morally superior. I have never said anything negative to any Palestinian American in this thread, nor would I ever. If your problem is that I go after white or non-Palestinian leftists who have a one-sided view of the world, then I guess that's your cross to bear, but I implore you to think about more than just yourself. Your issue is that I critique your views, my issue is that you are okay with my family dying. We're not on a level playing field.

Edited September 4 by Sannie

[Lightbringer007]

Im glad you highlighted just how important environmental consequences are @Relampago.

 

Cause at the end of the day, all the common issues like debt, medical coverage, gas prices will always be an issue but without a healthy planet, those exact polices are OVER and miniscule without that

[XDNA]

1 hour ago, Bloo said:

This is not true. The actual left (i.e., not liberalism) in the United States has been talking about the occupation of Palestine for decades. Malcolm X was talking about it during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 60s.

https://read.dukeupress.edu/social-text/article/37/3/47/140419/Spirit-in-Opposition-Malcolm-X-and-the-Question-of

 

If by "left" you mean mainstream Democrats, well, mainstream Democrats are a center-right party on a standard political spectrum. And, yes, along American partisan lines this hasn't been an issue because Democrats and Republicans both unilaterally support the imperialism that Israel has overseen for decades. So they'd rather draw lines of division around other cultural issues like abortion, race, LGBTQ+ identity, etc.

Yes, I was talking about the major political parties and, by extension, the mainstream definitions of liberals and conservatives in the US. I agree that there tends to be more common ground in foreign policy, as protecting American interests abroad has been the primary goal driving American foreign policy for decades. 

[ClashAndBurn]

14 minutes ago, Sannie said:

Look, I don't really have a problem with you, tbh. Your posts regarding Palestine have always seemed genuine and not as if you're trying to virtue signal or feel morally superior. And when I learned (I think) you live in GA, a battleground state, I began to respect your opinion a bit more because your convictions on this topic are so strong that you're willing to put aside your relative safety for the betterment of others. I respect that. What I don't respect, and what I've always attempted to put into context, are leftists who live in deep blue states (I won't name names ) who have nothing to lose, telling people in deep red states that they are "genocide supporters" for wanting to vote to try and protect themselves and the people they love. I have said this in the past, but I have two people very, very close to me who could literally die because of the policies the Trump administration and the GOP are promising to implement, so this is all very close and very personal to me. I don't get to sit in a gilded tower inside a blue state surrounded by democratic legislators who will protect me and the people I love from Trump and the GOP, so I do lash out at times. I don't feel like I need to be gracious to cowards like that, to people who demand we listen to them but won't ever listen to us, who want to condemn many of us to possible death just so they can feel morally superior. I have never said anything negative to any Palestinian American in this thread, nor would I ever. If your problem is that I go after white or non-Palestinian leftists who have a one-sided view of the world, then I guess that's your cross to bear, but I implore you to think about more than just yourself. Your issue is that I critique your views, my issue is that you are okay with my family dying. We're not on a level playing field.

You know what, I can respect that. Thank you for this, carry on with your day  

 

As for my personal safety, the Republican Party is already entrenched. I've voted for Stacey Abrams twice, and it wasn't even really all that close either time (though the second was such an actual blowout loss for her I'm shocked she hasn't thrown in the towel on electoral politics out of sheer embarrassment  ) and it genuinely seemed like Biden losing the state was inevitable so… idk. It didn't feel like a swing state anymore and wasn't really in swinging distance beyond Biden and Warnock winning by a fluke with Ossoff getting carried by Warnock's coattails.

 

Kamala actually puts the state in play a little more again. It doesn't feel like the Dems are throwing as much anymore. So I'm willing to give her a chance for that reason (and as I've said many times, as a lil thank you for not picking Shapiro lol). 

Edited September 4 by ClashAndBurn

[Reginald]

4 hours ago, BeenTheShit said:

And we have our first mass shooting of the new school year.  Multiple victims were reported via hospital and the suspect is in custody per police.

and the "thoughts and prayers" elected officials have already begun their usual schtick.

 

I know this is morbid and depressing to say, but they will not call for change until it is THEIR children whose lives are lost. What a sad state of things. We all deserve better than this. 

Edited September 4 by Reginald

[FameFatale]

Regarding the shooting today in Georgia 

 

 

[FameFatale]

 

[GhostBox]

the fact he gives the gop  leaning polls  more credit for his model than the CNN polls 💀

[Sannie]

24 minutes ago, FameFatale said:

Regarding the shooting today in Georgia 

 

 

Oh, man. I remember the feeling of absolute safety I always had whenever I walked into school. I specifically remember sitting in the 6th grade classroom thinking, "this is the safest place to be". School just felt impenetrable to me, and this was after Columbine.

 

The fact that kids now have to be weary of going to school is mind boggling. How do students who attend these schools ever recover from a shooting? How are you supposed to be able to relax so you can actually learn?

 

5 minutes ago, GhostBox said:

the fact he gives the gop  leaning polls  more credit for his model than the CNN polls 💀

It's such a shame bc it's clear how much he loves his model and it seems to be a great model... but he can't help but push his own biases. More than anything, I think he's just scared of getting anything wrong so he's doubling and tripling down.

[FameFatale]

1 minute ago, Sannie said:

Oh, man. I remember the feeling of absolute safety I always had whenever I walked into school. I specifically remember sitting in the 6th grade classroom thinking, "this is the safest place to be". School just felt impenetrable to me, and this was after Columbine.

 

The fact that kids now have to be weary of going to school is mind boggling. How do students who attend these schools ever recover from a shooting? How are you supposed to be able to relax so you can actually learn?

 

It really has dampened my mood today, for sure. Especially with schools starting back the new year. I worry about my children all the time.  

[Redstreak]

1 hour ago, GhostBox said:

This explains why even though she's gotten decent state numbers today he's still dooming and glooming saying her numbers are getting worse 💀

Majority report has a guy that calls in every Tuesday with a really good snapshot of how the polling is going