Bears01 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Interesting thread from this guy that I agree with. Kamala seems to be tapping in to trumps 2016 playbook of "go girl, give us nothing, we're still voting for you!" I admit it's worked on me…but I live in a battleground congressional district so my vote matters now. I do wish for a change in her policy ala Israel
One Rude Boy Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 hours ago, thesegayz said: You're not going to think about who you vote for when you're 60. And if you do, you need to live a fuller life. You're feelings ≠ the horrors that Americans will have to live through. voting is a right. When we treat it like a religion, with morals and righteousness, we get kings. You aren't "helping" someone get elected, unless you're canvassing or working a campaign, you're casting a vote that you're entitled to. but go off on being able to look at a dying petunia your family will get you and not be reminded of the Palestinian Genocide Respect and appreciate your opinion, but like I kinda expressed, it's just a difference in such. A different gravity and perspective around voting. It's a right we all are adorned with, but we're equally given the right to abstain. nothing against you though I appreciate your perspective! And I'm listening. But I'm just still on the fence 2 1
Mike91 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 As someone who considers themself to be on the left (though I still support AOC and Bernie - so I don't know what that makes me now), I'll just say that the movement has become counterproductive. The refusal to work within the democratic party, even if they are not perfect, accomplishes nothing. Instead of moving towards progressive policies like M4A, we're stuck re-fighting battles we already won in the past like abortion, civil rights, etc. Wanting Kamala to attack Israel or downplay our military would basically hand Trump the presidency and set us back even further. If Trump wins, 2028 will then become about passing marriage equality back into law and undoing Trump's national abortion ban. No one's going to want to hear anything about any progressive economic policies. 9
on the line Posted August 24 Posted August 24 7 minutes ago, One Rude Boy said: Respect and appreciate your opinion, but like I kinda expressed, it's just a difference in such. A different gravity and perspective around voting. It's a right we all are adorned with, but we're equally given the right to abstain. nothing against you though I appreciate your perspective! And I'm listening. But I'm just still on the fence I guess it's easy to not care about women's reproductive health when you're One Rude Boy. 1 5
ClashAndBurn Posted August 24 Posted August 24 13 minutes ago, on the line said: Sis....they just said they aren't going to vote because some people on the internet disagreed with their stances. I'm definitely not listening to that. Be real. lmao. "Disagreed with their stances" is a very... reductive way of putting the utterly insane mockery you and others have been making of people who are legitimately upset by her administration's eagerness to fully back a genocide with unconditional support. You've all been absolutely gleeful at the fact that the left has been completely rejected and that Kamala has gone out of her way to confirm our worst fears about what her candidacy and presidency would end up meaning. Namely, the hardest shift to the right since Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign. You even said, in your own words, "Keep it going!" Because you believe that this is a game, and you derive joy from kicking people when they're already down. 1
One Rude Boy Posted August 24 Posted August 24 4 minutes ago, on the line said: I guess it's easy to not care about women's reproductive health when you're One Rude Boy. I already said I'm most likely voting for Harris so the nastiness is just so weird 2
Armani? Posted August 24 Posted August 24 How much longer is Trump gonna lie about leading in the polls, leading in all swing states and doing well with women & Black men Heard his rant on Fox News
on the line Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: "Disagreed with their stances" is a very... reductive way of putting the utterly insane mockery you and others have been making of people who are legitimately upset by her administration's eagerness to fully back a genocide with unconditional support. You've all been absolutely gleeful at the fact that the left has been completely rejected and that Kamala has gone out of her way to confirm our worst fears about what her candidacy and presidency would end up meaning. Namely, the hardest shift to the right since Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign. You even said, in your own words, "Keep it going!" Because you believe that this is a game, and you derive joy from kicking people when they're already down. Lol. Sis, you have mocked me (and others) relentlessly since I joined this thread. If you can't take the heat, get out of the politics thread. You've set unrealistic expectations for our first POC female presidential candidate, and now you're butt hurt that your fantasies aren't becoming reality to a point that you are now saying you won't vote. That's quite pathetic. 2
Vermillion Posted August 24 Posted August 24 45 minutes ago, Slamless said: mommy im scared can we just get some @Vermillion tweets thats why I use this thread (thx bby v grateful) lol girl I'm at work. when I get back tonight you'll get like 5 pages. 1 4
ClashAndBurn Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, Mike91 said: As someone who considers themself to be on the left (though I still support AOC and Bernie - so I don't know what that makes me now), I'll just say that the movement has become counterproductive. The refusal to work within the democratic party, even if they are not perfect, accomplishes nothing. Instead of moving towards progressive policies like M4A, we're stuck re-fighting battles we already won in the past like abortion, civil rights, etc. Wanting Kamala to attack Israel or downplay our military would basically hand Trump the presidency and set us back even further. If Trump wins, 2028 will then become about passing marriage equality back into law and undoing Trump's national abortion ban. No one's going to want to hear anything about any progressive economic policies. No one's asking her to do either of those things. She didn't HAVE to state her positions on having the most lethal military in the world or mention Israel at all (because both of things are unfortunately expected), but she made it a choice to center her convention speech on exactly that. By bringing up the as-of-yet unconfirmed sexual violence smear (while omitting the confirmed reports of Palestinians being sodomized with metal rods by Israelis) and affirming Israel's "right to defend itself," she basically confirmed that she will be absolutely no different than Biden on the issue. She could have even praised the military without using the word "lethal," but I'll let the Lockheed Martin and Raytheon stocks do the talking I guess. 1 3
Lil Mxnster Posted August 24 Posted August 24 8 hours ago, Harriser said: You and the rest of your ilk were headed here regardless, have been desperately searching for reasons to return back to this position. You laughably claim 'divine intervention' but it has been a self fulfilling prophecy from day one and the most predictable thing imaginable. You act like Harris has betrayed you in some way, when you have known from day one that she is not a member of the progressive wing of the party, that she was never going to wake up tomorrow as Cori Bush, and indeed if she did that she would be sent packing in an electoral landslide. You are the same people that now hate Bernie Sanders and AOC - some of the only progressive congresspeople with any real power - because they did not continue your continuous match leftward, and because they are prepared to work with liberals to achieve progressive goals. You are deliberately blind about the realities of appealing to the American electorate, and pretend as if people like Kamala position themselves the way they do for no reason other than that they're just super evil bad people. It is fundamentally childish and stupid to envision voting as a 'moral' act, as you and others do. Voting is a strategic decision based on helping the candidate win who most closely aligns to some kind of political goal - that is it. It is blatantly obvious that Kamala Harris will be immensely better for the American people and those around the world than Donald Trump, but your purist moral handwringing over what a terrible liberal she is manages to obscure this obvious fact in your mind. It is a good thing you represent a tiny minority within a minority, and that you don't live in a swing state. If the French were all like you, we'd have president LePen. Thank god you remain, and will continue to remain, a fringe online communist whose views hold no actual power or currency outside of this forum 1
ClashAndBurn Posted August 24 Posted August 24 10 minutes ago, on the line said: Lol. Sis, you have mocked me (and others) relentlessly since I joined this thread. If you can't take the heat, get out of the politics thread. You've set unrealistic expectations for our first POC female presidential candidate, and now you're butt hurt that your fantasies aren't becoming reality to a point that you are now saying you won't vote. That's quite pathetic. Giving a <5minute floor speech to an elected Palestinian Democrat currently serving in a state legislature in a must-win swing state and who has publicly already backed Kamala was neither an unrealistic expectation nor a fantasy. It was a reasonable ask, and it was a very deliberate choice to have that be denied. The only reason she wasn't trusted to not "veer off-script" was due to deep-seated racist hatred and an unwillingness to see Palestinians as human beings. What's pathetic is bootlicking the wealthy and powerful. While, again, kicking the powerless and disenfranchised. 2
thesegayz Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: The smug left-punching from the usuals in here is genuinely even more of a turnoff than Kamala's warmongering and racist denial of Palestinians having a voice on stage at the DNC. Personally, this shows why I believe you people deserve nothing more than the absolute worst that a Trump presidency has to offer. Honestly, was still going to vote for her purely for meeting the lowest possible bar not picking that vile Zionist Shapiro as her running-mate, but at this point the gloating from @Sannie, @Harriser, @thesegayz and @GhostBox is disgusting me enough to even reconsider that. So congrats guys! You lack a basic understanding of the English language and only speak in hyperbole. If my words hurt you so much, log off you waiving your vote around doesn't bug me, it just shows how unserious of a person you actually are 1 5
thesegayz Posted August 24 Posted August 24 30 minutes ago, on the line said: Lol. Sis, you have mocked me (and others) relentlessly since I joined this thread. If you can't take the heat, get out of the politics thread. You've set unrealistic expectations for our first POC female presidential candidate, and now you're butt hurt that your fantasies aren't becoming reality to a point that you are now saying you won't vote. That's quite pathetic. Literally putting too much on the second woman to ever run for president. The amount Barack had to code switch and moderate to get away from the right calling him Hussein was insane. I can't imagine what living life on a zero sum basis looks like. I thought we outgrew temper tantrums as toddlers but, I guess not 5
One Rude Boy Posted August 24 Posted August 24 31 minutes ago, on the line said: Lol. Sis, you have mocked me (and others) relentlessly since I joined this thread. If you can't take the heat, get out of the politics thread. You've set unrealistic expectations for our first POC female presidential candidate, and now you're butt hurt that your fantasies aren't becoming reality to a point that you are now saying you won't vote. That's quite pathetic. have you not been entirely rude to everyone here that doesn't agree with you? I have responded to you in kindness, respect, and interest and all you've given back is nastiness. i am baffled 1 4
Graves Posted August 24 Posted August 24 7 minutes ago, One Rude Boy said: have you not been entirely rude to everyone here that doesn't agree with you? I have responded to you in kindness, respect, and interest and all you've given back is nastiness. i am baffled He and the other one have always been like that, sis. Condescending and nasty in virtually every post they make. Maybe that's how they cope? 1 2
19SLAYty9 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 I'm expecting Kamala to hit her peak early next week and then plateau … the first debate will be the next potential for growth
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted August 24 ATRL Moderator Posted August 24 10 hours ago, shelven said: Even among the people who understand at some level that the Senate is broken, I think very few have truly internalized just how shockingly undemocratic it is. It's become so normalized that people have lost sight of it being a literal case of tyranny of the minority. Like everyone remembers the 2018 midterms where the Dems had that huge House gain yet lost two Senate seats, but nobody ever talks about the popular vote total for the Senate races that year (and I admit even I was stunned when I checked the Wikipedia page): Like... how do you even attempt to have a functioning government when a party can win by TWENTY PERCENT and somehow lose two seats and hold a clear minority overall? There's literally no way to fix this by "encouraging people to vote." The design of the US Senate is fundamentally inconsistent with the way the country's population is now spread out. The Dems should have been pushing for Senate reform and/or DC and Puerto Rico statehood every single day since November 7, 2018, but instead they've just let this incredibly broken system become the standard and it leads to asinine takes like from the user you quoted that somehow the 60% of Americans who vote for the opposite of the result that ultimately happens are responsible for that result. I haven’t seen the numbers from the 2018 midterms shown like this and… yeah… it’s a damning example of how poorly represented the American people are. The entire government is designed to not suppress our perspectives and voices. It’s insane that the Democrats can’t even talk about this. They won’t even talk about the electoral college outside of the immediate few months following presidential elections they lose because of the electoral college (e.g., 2000, 2016). 2
Communion Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 hours ago, Sannie said: Besides, I appreciate that she didn't mince words and called the military what the military is meant to be: a killing machine. On 8/22/2024 at 11:42 PM, Sannie said: Leftist policies like "kill all Jews in Israel" ....? 8
rivers Posted August 24 Posted August 24 Life is better when you put people on mute. Just go ahead and do that and go on your way 1
Relampago. Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 hours ago, midnightdawn said: I think that people are harder on female candidates than male ones. Hillary and Kamala get picked apart far more than Joe did. People expect them to be perfect candidates. I'm being so serious when I say Kamala is treated way better than Joe ever was. Yeah, everyone on this planet hates HRC, so that's no surprise. But Joseph's wig was getting tossed around like hot potato from everything about his abysmal voting history, his constant faux pas, his near-nothingburger of an administration, and even just being an old white man nnn. From my perspective, people have legitimately been very soft on Kamala. If all eyes were not on Gaza right now, I guarantee she would be worshipped like the Second Coming, and after Joe dropped out, it almost seemed like she was worshipped in that way for a moment
Fleahive Posted August 24 Posted August 24 15 hours ago, starsailor said: Hey babes. I'm not american, but this election is so decisive to the rest of the world… the far-right movement must end one day, and the better opportunity for the beginning of their end is to extinguish Trump's presidential aspirations. Kamala's ascension as the official republican candidate filled me with hope and I have a great feeling about this, but since I'm not from USA, I would like to know if there is a chance of Kamala win this presidential race, and how is the feeling of the people in the streets, or in your daily conversations in the work, family and friends. Is there a chance? please, answer yes. I don't think I've heard a single mention of Kamala at work. I've heard trump a few times especially in 2020 but politic talk has died down since trump left office and isn't in our face 24/7.
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