shyboi Posted July 24 Posted July 24 12 minutes ago, SweetOreosOfHeaven said: She's coming. Taylor Swift (and other major celebs like Beyoncé and Gaga) will 100% endorse her as well. Taylor right now is much more powerfull than she was back in 2020 too. Unfortunately, celebs support doesn't matter in this political climate, not even Taylor's. 3
Vermillion Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, NausAllien said: I feel like Elon has political aspirations himself. Of course, he cannot run for president because he was not born in America, but he CAN find himself a puppet that will do his bidding if elected president. I don't think Trump will be a puppet (narcissists like Trump are generally puppeteers, not puppets), but someone like Vance definitely could. I mean…J.D. Vance is Peter Thiel's puppet. Literally and not metaphorically. Without Thiel Vance wouldn't have gotten Trump's endorsement in the Ohio primary and he wouldn't have won. 2
Redstreak Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Vermillion said: The only picks that could actually cause trackable damage (post-election) on turn-out in the states that matter to Kamala is Mark Kelly and Josh Shapiro, for very different reasons. If the reporting's accurate, those are unfortunately her finalists. @Sannie saying they're holding their powder dry for a Beshear pick last minute but I don't buy that. As far as inflation or immigrations goes, I feel like there's a chance a lot of that is just so tied to Biden that maybe Harris gets away without being as burdened by it? Signs are getting better for inflation, rate cuts are coming, I feel with the right messaging she could capitalize and change some of the more negative sentiment regarding economy with undecideds Edited July 24 by Redstreak
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, Redstreak said: As far as inflation or immigrations goes, I feel like there's a chance a lot of that is just so tied to Biden that maybe Harris gets away without being as burdened by it? Maybe she could get away with inflation and other economic issues, but there's no way Republicans won't tie immigration issues to her since she was purportedly Biden's Border Czar. There's also that famous video in which she denied to admit that she hadn't visited the border and had no immediate plans to do so.
Sannie Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Vermillion said: The only picks that could actually cause trackable (post-election) damage on turn-out in the states that matter to Kamala is Mark Kelly and Josh Shapiro, for very different reasons. If the reporting's accurate, those are unfortunately her finalists. @Sannie saying they're holding their powder dry for a Beshear pick last minute but I don't buy that. I'm going by Kamala's team saying these reports are wrong/speculative. They held out on everything prior to Biden dropping out so I don't see how this would be any different. I could very well be coping right now lol, but I think they understand the dangers of Kelly or Shapiro. Beshear has virtually no dirt on him. If she's refusing to cancel things for Israel, it must mean they have their fingers on the pulse. 10 minutes ago, shyboi said: Unfortunately, celebs support doesn't matter in this political climate, not even Taylor's. You people are not living in the real world if you don't think Taylor's endorsement will help. Nobody else's would, but Taylor's would. If only for the media attention it would get. Edited July 24 by Sannie 2 1 1
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 9 minutes ago, shyboi said: Unfortunately, celebs support doesn't matter in this political climate, not even Taylor's. Taylor is as big now as Beyoncé was in 2016. Her endorsements and frequent performances at Hillary's rallies didn't help her win the presidency, so why would Taylor's? I think those who claim Taylor's endorsement will give Kamala the presidency are VERY delusional. 1
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted July 24 Posted July 24 https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-leads-trump-44-42-us-presidential-race-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2024-07-23/ not sure if ap but I think this survey is very promising esp. considering this was just days after Biden resigned
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) 1 minute ago, NausAllien said: Taylor is as big now as Beyoncé was in 2016. Her endorsements and frequent performances at Hillary's rallies didn't help her win the presidency, so why would Taylor's? I think those who claim Taylor's endorsement will give Kamala the presidency are VERY delusional. Be fr Taylor is bigger than Beyoncé ever was. No one has had a peak like hers in USA this century save maybe Gaga. Her speaking out will have a lot of impact in young voters for sure, obviously it's not enough. Edited July 24 by SweetOreosOfHeaven 5 1 3
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, NausAllien said: Taylor is as big now as Beyoncé was in 2016. Her endorsements and frequent performances at Hillary's rallies didn't help her win the presidency, so why would Taylor's? I think those who claim Taylor's endorsement will give Kamala the presidency are VERY delusional. Taylor is much bigger than Beyoncé was in 2016, and we have empirical evidence of Taylor's ability to increase voter registrations. Can we be serious for a second? 3 1 1
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, Sannie said: You people are not living in the real world if you don't think Taylor's endorsement will help. Nobody else's would, but Taylor's would. If only for the media attention it would get. I think YOU are living too much in ONLINE SPACES if you think Taylor's endorsement will make a substantial and measurable difference. Beyoncé endorsed Hillary in 2016 and even performed at her rally a full 26 minute set and that didn't help Hillary much. 1
Sannie Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, NausAllien said: Taylor is as big now as Beyoncé was in 2016. Her endorsements and frequent performances at Hillary's rallies didn't help her win the presidency, so why would Taylor's? I think those who claim Taylor's endorsement will give Kamala the presidency are VERY delusional. Yeah, no... back to the whole "living in the real world". Beyonce has never been as big as Taylor is right now. Beyonce is big, but Taylor is a behemoth. 3 minutes ago, Vermillion said: My God, they really wanna make winning GA easy for Dems, don't they? 2
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, Rotunda said: Taylor is much bigger than Beyoncé was in 2016, and we have empirical evidence of Taylor's ability to increase voter registrations. Can we be serious for a second? The fact that she had that impact in 2020, she's like 10x bigger now. It's a given she will support Kamala considering deranged conservatives stances on basic women's rights. Obviously it won't be enough but it's good that the biggest celebrity (by a long shot) on the country who is also a billionaire is supporting the democratic party.
Sannie Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) The DIFFERENCE between a Beyonce endorsement and a Taylor endorsement are the demographics to which they appeal. Beyonce appeals to a demographic that is already very Democrat, politically engaged, and very tuned into voting for Dems. Taylor appeals to a demographic that falls more in line with being "undecided" or "not caring". She appeals to a base that may not be super motivated because they don't fully understand what's at stake. Taylor can make it clear what's at stake. Taylor chiming in would cause Conservatives to melt down even more and become even more unhinged and sexist. That works for Kamala. Edited July 24 by Sannie 2 1
Vermillion Posted July 24 Posted July 24 5 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Well, scratch that I guess the questions are if, when and how this spreads with the base on this issue
SweetOreosOfHeaven Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, Sannie said: The DIFFERENCE between a Beyonce endorsement and a Taylor endorsement are the demographics to which they appeal. Beyonce appeals to a demographic that is already very Democrat, politically engaged, and very tuned into voting for Dems. Taylor appeals to a demographic that falls more in line with being "undecided" or "not caring". She appeals to a base that may not be super motivated because they don't fully understand what's at stake. Taylor can make it clear what's at stake. Taylor chiming in would cause Conservatives to melt down even more and become even more unhinged and sexist. That works for Kamala. She will endorse for sure. No doubt.
Sannie Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, Vermillion said: Well, scratch that I guess the questions are if, when and how this spreads with the base on this issue This is only spreading among people who were never going to vote, imo. We pay them no mind. At the same time, we don't want to give anyone additional ammo by choosing someone like Shapiro.
Vermillion Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, Sannie said: This is only spreading among people who were never going to vote, imo. We pay them no mind. At the same time, we don't want to give anyone additional ammo by choosing someone like Shapiro. That were never going to vote for her regardless of this issue? There's certainly overlap there but not in totality. I don't have the energy to pull up the stats atm…
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 2 minutes ago, Sannie said: The DIFFERENCE between a Beyonce endorsement and a Taylor endorsement are the demographics to which they appeal. Beyonce appeals to a demographic that is already very Democrat, politically engaged, and very tuned into voting for Dems. Taylor appeals to a demographic that falls more in line with being "undecided" or "not caring". She appeals to a base that may not be super motivated because they don't fully understand what's at stake. Taylor can make it clear what's at stake. Taylor chiming in would cause Conservatives to melt down even more and become even more unhinged and sexist. That works for Kamala. I think you're overestimating Taylor's DEMOGRAPHIC APPEAL. She's a massive artist so of course there are people of all races, ages and genders listen to her music and going to her concerts, but her CORE demographic is VERY SPECIFIC. We can easily see it based on who paid for a ticket to watch her film: white females 18-34. Those are already overwhelmingly voting for a Democratic candidate. The demographics that Kamala will struggle with are white males (and black males too for what I've seen on TikTok). I just don't see how Taylor's endorsement will help her at all to reach that particular group.
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