anti-bitch Posted July 24 Posted July 24 26 minutes ago, Pop Art said: I'd also love seeing some type of new or extra tax on the ultra wealthy and funneling those new found funds into solid, well planned initiatives to tackled some of our biggest issues like homelessness, food insecurity, and finally providing universal healthcare. There are so many problems this country has that are just flat out unnecessary because the money to fix them is out there, it's just sitting in some investment portfolio or bank account literally serving no one (not even the person it belongs to). Yeah, like how they've raised hundreds of millions for Kamala in few days. I mean, the money went to right address this time, but still, crazy there's that much loose money in people's bank accounts
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 4 minutes ago, 19SLAYty9 said: Marianne is a ******* moron. A nut job quack who should be in a straight jacket. She would lose in a MONUMENTAL landslide. Hunny this country elected Trump.
19SLAYty9 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, GraceRandolph said: Hunny this country elected Trump. He's a man and they knew him for 40 years already as an a list entertainer 1 1
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) And I forgot to answer the other half of your argument @GraceRandolph, but Marianne is not taken seriously by the country. It's not like she's the heir to Bernie's coalition. She's someone without an established national reputation who has a very specific following due to her outsider status. She's closer to an Andrew Yang type than a Bernie Sanders. If we had 2 years, sure, explore the whole field. We don't. We've got a few months. Edited July 24 by Rotunda 1 1
MAKSIM Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Marianne Williamson couldn't run a 5 person campaign staff without the staff resigning over her management. Please be serious for a second. 6
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, MAKSIM said: Marianne Williamson couldn't run a 5 person campaign staff without the staff resigning over her management. Please be serious for a second. Lowkey one thing she has in common with Kamala 1 2
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Y'all are fine with Biden denying the Palestinian death toll, but draw the line at Marianne being catty with staffers? Okay, hope you have that same energy with Kamala and Amy Klobuchar. 2
NausAllien Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Let's be honest. Marianne doesn't have broad appeal. Of course people will very progressive views are going to like her, but the United States is a very big country with people with all kinds of views. Of course, you can't please everybody, but pleasing ONLY a small portion of the population is a bad idea too. Although Bernie was fairly progressive too, he managed to make his message about giving power back to the people, going against corporations and the corrupt elites. That's a very populist message that can resonate with a lot of people, whether they are socially conservative, liberal or progressive. Bernie started to lose some moment when they slapped the "socialist" label on him, as Americans have a fairly negative view of Socialism. AOC and Marianne are pretty similar now that I think about it. VERY popular within their "fan bases" but dismissed by most people for being too extreme.
Mike91 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Taylor giving a speech at the DNC would be iconic. She's at a point in her career where her fans aren't leaving and even if some do, she doesn't need them. 1
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Y'all are fine with Biden denying the Palestinian death toll, but draw the line at Marianne being catty with staffers? Okay, hope you have that same energy with Kamala and Amy Klobuchar. The question isn't whether we personally would tolerate Marianne as president, it's whether she could realistically pull of a run under current time and budgetary constraints. We both know the correct answer, but you've been running around since Sunday betraying your own intelligence for reasons unbeknownst to us. 2 2
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 4 minutes ago, Mike91 said: Taylor giving a speech at the DNC would be iconic. She's at a point in her career where her fans aren't leaving and even if some do, she doesn't need them. My guess is we're getting Ariana or Gaga, but Taylor is probably the only endorsement I think actually could move a needle in 2024.
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Let's be honest. Marianne doesn't have broad appeal. Of course people will very progressive views are going to like her, but the United States is a very big country with people with all kinds of views. Of course, you can't please everybody, but pleasing ONLY a small portion of the population is a bad idea too. Although Bernie was fairly progressive too, he managed to make his message about giving power back to the people, going against corporations and the corrupt elites. That's a very populist message that can resonate with a lot of people, whether they are socially conservative, liberal or progressive. Bernie started to lose some moment when they slapped the "socialist" label on him, as Americans have a fairly negative view of Socialism. AOC and Marianne are pretty similar now that I think about it. VERY popular within their "fan bases" but dismissed by most people for being too extreme. Marianne is a bestselling author and when she was given a wider platform (Democratic debate stage) she ended up being the most googled candidate in 49/50 states. She's essentially untested but what information we do have shows that she has immense potential to connect with a broader audience.
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, GraceRandolph said: Marianne is a bestselling author and when she was given a wider platform (Democratic debate stage) she ended up being the most googled candidate in 49/50 states. She's essentially untested but what information we do have shows that she has immense potential to connect with a broader audience. Never take the LSAT 1
bad guy Posted July 24 Posted July 24 I'm weary about all this A-list/celebrity endorsements of Kamala being touted by media as some kind of good thing for her campaign when it's giving Hillary 2.0. Nobody cares about who Hollywood is saying to vote for so I hope her campaign doesn't lean in too much on celebrity and focuses more on policy. Optics matter. The prosecutor vs. convicted felon angle is a cute gotcha for one or two rallies but it should not be her main focus for her campaign. 4 3
Pop Art Posted July 24 Posted July 24 I can't wait for the DNC to be over if only so I don't have to hear about Ms. Williamson until 2028. 1
Mike91 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 minute ago, Rotunda said: My guess is we're getting Ariana or Gaga, but Taylor is probably the only endorsement I think actually could move a needle in 2024. She could genuinely have an affect on younger female voters turning out. She'll probably endorse her in September or October, but we need to mobilize voters as soon as possible.
Bamboo Posted July 24 Posted July 24 If Taylor promises to release reputation (TV) only under the condition that Kamala wins, we will have nothing to worry about
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 The fact that no one is challenging Kamala makes me think Dems know this election is essentially over and they don't want to blow their load on a campaign until 2028. 1
TrymeB Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Anyone who thinks Marianne has a better chance of beating Trump than Kamala in November must be on the good stuff and needs to share with the class. 2 8
Mike91 Posted July 24 Posted July 24 Just now, GraceRandolph said: The fact that no one is challenging Kamala makes me think Dems know this election is essentially over and they don't want to blow their load on a campaign until 2028. No one's challenging Kamala because there's little over three months until the election and the last thing we need is division. The party does NOT want to see Trump back in office and have lined up behind the second person in command. It's not complicated. 2
cloudbusting Posted July 24 Posted July 24 1 hour ago, FameFatale said: I'm a blue dot in a dark red state. I'm the odd woman out but I'm determined to throw some coconuts though. personal anecdote moment i guess Spoiler Spoiler As a gay Latino in Oklahoma, this is how I feel a lot of the time. I know my vote for most things above the local level is more of a symbolic gesture just because of the sheer numbers - 1.22M registered republicans vs 651k democrats and 457k independents Obviously voter turnout also matters, but it's hard to fire up the Dems in this state when the ratios are this bad. Still, I try to be politically active and aware anyway because just taking whatever's foisted upon me would feel kinda like giving up. I kinda dropped the ball on that for a while since the 2022 midterms, and I regret it tbh. I started to get back in here to reimmerse myself and commiserate about the sense of helplessness from what felt like an impending Trump re-election, and now there's a sense of hope again. Not that this is my only source of information obviously, but it's a convenient aggregate + there's something valuable about the sense of community even without everyone agreeing on things. 2
Rotunda Posted July 24 Posted July 24 8 minutes ago, bad guy said: I'm weary about all this A-list/celebrity endorsements of Kamala being touted by media as some kind of good thing for her campaign when it's giving Hillary 2.0. Nobody cares about who Hollywood is saying to vote for so I hope her campaign doesn't lean in too much on celebrity and focuses more on policy. Optics matter. The prosecutor vs. convicted felon angle is a cute gotcha for one or two rallies but it should not be her main focus for her campaign. I'm hoping they've learned from past mistakes. I know for Kamala's OG run she had the same comms lead as Hillary. I think this time she's largely inheriting the apparatus that was set up for Biden, so hopefully they're more clued in. 1
GraceRandolph Posted July 24 Posted July 24 (edited) Dems ran Kamala because if she loses it'll be about how America wasn't ready for a black female POTUS whereas if Biden lost it would bring up questions of why they allowed him to run, whether or not his record was as impressive as they said it was, and whether or not they can win national elections period. Edited July 24 by GraceRandolph 2
anti-bitch Posted July 24 Posted July 24 14 minutes ago, NausAllien said: Although Bernie was fairly progressive too, he managed to make his message about giving power back to the people, going against corporations and the corrupt elites. That's a very populist message that can resonate with a lot of people, whether they are socially conservative, liberal or progressive. Bernie started to lose some moment when they slapped the "socialist" label on him, as Americans have a fairly negative view of Socialism I've been thinking that Bernie hasn't been himself since the 2020 Democratic primaries. He hasn't really dared to criticize Joe Biden ever since
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