GhostBox Posted July 22 Posted July 22 I really do like Beshear the most. But we need to win the race and I think Shapiro does that's for the ticket. PA would be a lot easier to win with Shapiro in the ticket.
Vroom Vroom Posted July 22 Posted July 22 5 minutes ago, Sergi91 said: I need her to sell Kamala Brat merch. I'd buy it 4
cloudbusting Posted July 23 Posted July 23 23 minutes ago, Vermillion said: I'm guessing her vibe at this meeting will set the tone for how she approaches the occupation from a presidential standpoint? The statement passed on by that aide in the other tweet felt very standard American™️ with the "self-defense! Hamas!" angle, but I do appreciate that a ceasefire seems to be a priority (unless I'm misunderstanding something). I'll withhold giving her props until we see what actually happens though
Communion Posted July 23 Posted July 23 (edited) Not to keep going, but the only other thing that comes up is that Beshear eventually created an "antisemitism task force" around December 2023 after being called on by the Kentucky Human Rights Commission after bomb threats at synagogues in the state and they welcomed the ADL to attend their first meeting in January 2024, but it's not really clear that the task force has actually done anything and in the executive order creating it are only meant to "meet 4-6 times a year". The task force though is under the Office of Faith-Based & Community Initiatives, that Beshear appointed Charles Booker to. The announcement for it also saw him include explicit reference to Islamophobia as an equal form of hate as antisemitism (the language that comes from him is all very interfaith community counselor): None of the official texts reference Israel, as well: https://governor.ky.gov/attachments/20231221_Antisemitism-Task-Force.pdf Karen Berg, who seems like an ally to Beshear, is on the task force as well. She's the only Jewish member of the Kentucky legislature and is mainly known for her LGBTQ advocacy - her son was a trans man who killed himself in 2022 that led to unsavory comments by Republicans in the state: In the meeting notes, the examples of antisemitism Beshear references being shocked to see from his own personal encounters are things like a police training video made by KY state police that ended up having a swastika in it. Obviously the ADL will mention Israel and frame Zionism as self-determination. They promote the IHRA definition of antisemitism but that's largely irrelevant to Beshear, as Kentucky's legislature had unanimously passed a bill in 2021 making the IHRA definition of antisemitism the sole definition. The meetings are here for those genuinely curious. I'm not sure if I wanna bother watching thru them: https://governor.ky.gov/priorities/antisemitism-task-force Seeing him though possibly consider Charles Booker and Karen Berg allies (I'd need more tea from @Bloo) and their views definitely would give the impression his views are the most dove-ish out of anyone else being possibly considered. Edited July 23 by Communion 4 1
jakeisphat Posted July 23 Posted July 23 26 minutes ago, jakeisphat said: +208 delegates in just an hour. She might just clench the nomination by midnight. +138 delegates in the last 25 minutes. Kamala also has at least 246 superdelegates, though they will not vote on the first ballot. I wonder if we will know her running mate by the vote on August 7th... https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/22/democratic-delegates-kamala-harris/ 1 1
bad guy Posted July 23 Posted July 23 So far her campaign is more entertaining than anything Biden HQ had so we'll see how this goes 2
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 23 ATRL Moderator Posted July 23 25 minutes ago, Communion said: Not to keep going, but the only other thing that comes up is that Beshear eventually created an "antisemitism task force" around December 2023 after being called on by the Kentucky Human Rights Commission after bomb threats at synagogues in the state and they welcomed the ADL to attend their first meeting in January 2024, but it's not really clear that the task force has actually done anything and in the executive order creating it are only meant to "meet 4-6 times a year". The task force though is under the Office of Faith-Based & Community Initiatives, that Beshear appointed Charles Booker to. The announcement for it also saw him include explicit reference to Islamophobia as an equal form of hate as antisemitism (the language that comes from him is all very interfaith community counselor): None of the official texts reference Israel, as well: https://governor.ky.gov/attachments/20231221_Antisemitism-Task-Force.pdf Karen Berg, who seems like an ally to Beshear, is on the task force as well. She's the only Jewish member of the Kentucky legislature and is mainly known for her LGBTQ advocacy - her son was a trans man who killed himself in 2022 that led to unsavory comments by Republicans in the state: In the meeting notes, the examples of antisemitism Beshear references being shocked to see from his own personal encounters are things like a police training video made by KY state police that ended up having a swastika in it. Obviously the ADL will mention Israel and frame Zionism as self-determination. They promote the IHRA definition of antisemitism but that's largely irrelevant to Beshear, as Kentucky's legislature had unanimously passed a bill in 2021 making the IHRA definition of antisemitism the sole definition. The meetings are here for those genuinely curious. I'm not sure if I wanna bother watching thru them: https://governor.ky.gov/priorities/antisemitism-task-force Seeing him though possibly consider Charles Booker and Karen Berg allies (I'd need more tea from @Bloo) and their views definitely would give the impression his views are the most dove-ish out of anyone else being possibly considered. I think your research is pretty thorough. For a mainline Democrat, Beshear is pretty solid and does a fairly good job of toeing the line to make sure he’s not outright disrespecting the left. I no longer live in Kentucky so I haven’t followed him as closely in the last few years. But, I trust him more than I do the others being mentioned and think he speaks plainly enough to appeal to middle America voters. Ultimately, this will hinge on how Kamala decides to position herself. I’ve seen some whispers online that she’s trying to build distance between her and Bibi. Also, some of the Biden staffers that left because of his handling of Gaza have mentioned she’s more sympathetic on the issue altogether. So, I’m curious to see how she responds to this issue. Whoever she picks for VP will be expected to play along with that direction. 1 1
shelven Posted July 23 Posted July 23 If Shapiro had won in 2022 by like 6 points, I would barely be bothering to think of his existence. But a 15-point win in a swing state during a year that should have been bad for the Dems in theory is just really hard to overlook I know Mastriano was certifiably insane and made Trump look like a liberal academic by comparison, but you don't win by that margin in a swing state in such a polarized environment if you're not resonating with people in your state. I really think having him on the ticket shifts Pennsylvania firmly in the Dems' favour and once Pennsylvania is locked in, paths to 270 become a lot more flexible. That said, I think Beshear is off to a great start in his public appearances over the last 24 hours and I think he has the potential to raise the ticket throughout the whole Rust Belt instead of just giving a big boost to one state with perhaps limited effect in the other states. So I don't think Harris can go wrong between the two of them tbh. Just please for the love of god do not let it be Buttigieg 3
Gaia Posted July 23 Posted July 23 Ngl even without knowing much about her political history or views, the constant memes are making me love her I think people don't realize the reason we never have high youth turn out (compared to overall) for elections is because they are not actually connecting with them in the ways they should have. The fact that TikTok has been completely underutilized this election is crazy. It's literally a direct line to Gen Z and Zillenials. i have never seen people my age post about an election as much as yesterday. It's crazy and it's 90% memes.
Communion Posted July 23 Posted July 23 1 minute ago, shelven said: That said, I think Beshear is off to a great start in his public appearances over the last 24 hours and I think he has the potential to raise the ticket throughout the whole Rust Belt instead of just giving a big boost to one state with perhaps limited effect in the other states. So I don't think Harris can go wrong between the two of them tbh. Just please for the love of god do not let it be Buttigieg Shapiro obviously did well but it feels important to note that he actually did a bit poor compared to Fetterman in much of Philadelphia. I know betting on Fetterman is a kind of massive L I have to own given what he has become but to also be a out and proud hater: 1
Redstreak Posted July 23 Posted July 23 14 minutes ago, Gaia said: Ngl even without knowing much about her political history or views, the constant memes are making me love her I think people don't realize the reason we never have high youth turn out (compared to overall) for elections is because they are not actually connecting with them in the ways they should have. The fact that TikTok has been completely underutilized this election is crazy. It's literally a direct line to Gen Z and Zillenials. i have never seen people my age post about an election as much as yesterday. It's crazy and it's 90% memes. I mean Joe Biden wanting to ban TikTok kinda makes it hard for him to then use it as a meaningful campaigning tool. I wonder if Kamala will reverse on that if she ever even spoke on it
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted July 23 ATRL Moderator Posted July 23 1 minute ago, Redstreak said: I mean Joe Biden wanting to ban TikTok kinda makes it hard for him to then use it as a meaningful campaigning tool. I wonder if Kamala will reverse on that if she ever even spoke on it The way this would be such a simple and smart decision. The TikTok ban was so unilaterally stupid. I know why they did it, but Jesus.
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