Vermillion Posted July 10 Posted July 10 1. Lloyd Doggett, D-TX 2. Raul Grijalva, D-AZ 3. Seth Moulton, D-MA 4. Mike Quigley, D-IL 5. Angie Craig, D-MN 6. Mark Takano, D-CA 7. Adam Smith, D-WA 8. Joe Morelle, D-NY 9. Julian Castro, D-TX, former Sec HUD 10. Tim Ryan, D-OH, Lost to Vance 11. Mikie Sherrill, D-NJ 12. Michael Bennet, D-CO 13. Pat Ryan, D-NY 14. Earl Blumenauer, D-OR
ClashAndBurn Posted July 10 Posted July 10 I don't see how you can blame this on NY Dems' dysfunction. At this point, Biden is uniquely turning New York into a swing state in ways that only he could. 1
GhostBox Posted July 10 Posted July 10 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Well this raises an interesting point - whether what Bernie's supporters were accused of doing is what Biden's die-hards will now do which is stay home out of protest for the Dems machinations. I think the biden die hards will find it crazy we are gonna swap out the nominee who's down 3 points for another nominee who's also down 3-4 points. its not like she's doing any better. Against trump. its just some hope that she can execute the case against trump better than Biden. But we have already seen someone try that (Hillary) and people didn't care 🤷 Edited July 10 by GhostBox
Vermillion Posted July 10 Posted July 10 1 minute ago, GhostBox said: I mentally of Biden die hard will find it crazy we are gonna swap out the nominee who's down 3 pints for another nominee who's also down 3-4 points. its not like she's doing any better. Against trump. its just some hope that she can execute the case against trump better than Biden. But we have already seen someone try that (Hillary) and people didn't care 🤷 And now we have to revisit why Hillary was a uniquely loathed candidate which I wasn't looking forward to doing. 1
Virgos Groove Posted July 10 Posted July 10 10 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said: Reminds me of the sudden coup against Bernie in the 2020 primaries lmao. Obama and Pelosi pulling the strings behind the scenes as per usual Biden's political career ending in the exact same way he ascended to the presidency... poetic justice. 4
GhostBox Posted July 10 Posted July 10 4 minutes ago, Vermillion said: And now we have to revisit why Hillary was a uniquely loathed candidate which I wasn't looking forward to doing. People thought she was corrupt and too much of a know it all and a *****. 💀 which is exactly what I see happening to Kamala. but I may be wrong. Who knows anymore 🤷
ClashAndBurn Posted July 10 Posted July 10 7 minutes ago, GhostBox said: I think the biden die hards will find it crazy we are gonna swap out the nominee who's down 3 points for another nominee who's also down 3-4 points. its not like she's doing any better. Against trump. its just some hope that she can execute the case against trump better than Biden. But we have already seen someone try that (Hillary) and people didn't care 🤷 You can convince people to come around to voting for Kamala because she at least has a functioning brain. You cannot say the same for Joe and his evident dementia + Parkinson's symptoms 1
DAP Posted July 10 Posted July 10 Beyond the usual theater, it's interesting seeing these rich donors squirm in fear. All the illusions they hoped would keep their power in check are crashing down. Thanks Biden!
GhostBox Posted July 10 Posted July 10 Just now, ClashAndBurn said: You can convince people to come around to voting for Kamala because she at least has a functioning brain. You cannot say the same for Joe and his evident dementia + Parkinson's symptoms I mean yea but I just don't see Kamala putting up white voter numbers enough in the swing states to win. 💀
ClashAndBurn Posted July 10 Posted July 10 Just now, GhostBox said: I mean yea but I just don't see Kamala putting up white voter numbers enough in the swing states to win. 💀 Who cares? She's gonna lose in 2028 anyway so might as well get it over with so we can have an actual primary then instead of a coronation. Biden CAN'T win. It's ******* impossible, and the only ones who can't see that are the Ride or Die Biden dick suckers. Kamala at least has a chance. And if there is anyone who would vote for Biden but not Kamala, that goes to show that the Dems built their coalition the wrong way after rejecting any and all approaches that involved outreach to and engagement of the youth voters that Bernie Sanders appealed to. You reap what you sow. 4
Vermillion Posted July 10 Posted July 10 1 minute ago, GhostBox said: I mean yea but I just don't see Kamala putting up white voter numbers enough in the swing states to win. 💀 She won't. But the question is whether keeping Biden's worse. If we were seeing dramatic differences in polling the donors would have a point. Also not looking forward to DEI/CRT being deployed effectively by Chris Rufo against Dems, again, in this entire conversation, when she inevitably loses as well. If it really is all about keeping the money advantage since donors are all that matter now apparently it has to be Kamala.
dman4life Posted July 10 Posted July 10 (edited) With an endorsement from Biden and a white man from a swing state on her ticket Kamala would have a serious shot at winning. First of all she'll be able to deliver a fully coherent message against Trump especially on a debate stage. Also Trump's support is pretty baked in and is highly unlikely to grow beyond what it is currently. Kamala on the other hand would already have the Dem base and has a chance to grow in support with the right messaging and bring more non voters and Independents out to vote, something Joe Biden cannot do (especially now). Edit: It'll be even better if Biden resigned from the presidency altogether and gave her a chance to government, sign executive orders etc but we all know Biden's not going that far Edited July 10 by dman4life
Vermillion Posted July 10 Posted July 10 1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said: Who cares? She's gonna lose in 2028 anyway so might as well get it over with so we can have an actual primary then instead of a coronation. Biden CAN'T win. It's ******* impossible, and the only ones who can't see that are the Ride or Die Biden dick suckers. Kamala at least has a chance. And if there is anyone who would vote for Biden but not Kamala, that goes to show that the Dems built their coalition the wrong way after rejecting any and all approaches that involved outreach to and engagement of the youth voters that Bernie Sanders appealed to. You reap what you sow. Now see, this level of nihilism is bordering on Susan Sarandon's acceleration theory in 2016 which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not saying you're wrong, but ….. As for a youth coalition, that ship sailed with Gaza.
Moloko Plus Posted July 10 Posted July 10 I just don't think they'd put Kamala up as the main nominee but it might be their only choice kiiiii. Let me place my bets on PredictIt
GhostBox Posted July 10 Posted July 10 7 minutes ago, Vermillion said: She won't. But the question is whether keeping Biden's worse. If we were seeing dramatic differences in polling the donors would have a point. Also not looking forward to DEI/CRT being deployed effectively by Chris Rufo against Dems, again, in this entire conversation, when she inevitably loses as well. If it really is all about keeping the money advantage since donors are all that matter now apparently it has to be Kamala. I agree. I still think Biden has a better chance at winning. But I'll back Kamala 100% if she is the nominee. (Which again will depend on tomorrows press conference)
on the line Posted July 10 Posted July 10 31 minutes ago, Vermillion said: Well this raises an interesting point - whether what Bernie's supporters were accused of doing is what Biden's die-hards will now do which is stay home out of protest for the Dems machinations. Absolutely will not be the same. Many have said they will vote for the Democratic nominee and not just a particular candidate.
ClashAndBurn Posted July 10 Posted July 10 1 minute ago, Vermillion said: Now see, this level of nihilism is bordering on Susan Sarandon's acceleration theory in 2016 which leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not saying you're wrong, but ….. As for a youth coalition, that ship sailed with Gaza. Imo, Kamala can only win this year because Trump is a disastrous candidate. If she's up against any other Republican, or if she's up against an incumbent Trump after SCOTUS somehow throws out the 22nd Amendment, she doesn't really have a path. It's not really Sarandon-style accelerationism. It's the pragmatic option. Biden is a 100% guaranteed loss. Kamala at this point is roughly 85% in 2024 and 97% in four years with her only saving grace being that her opponent would be Marjorie Taylor Greene, at which point the race MIGHT actually be a toss up. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted July 10 Posted July 10 4 minutes ago, GhostBox said: I agree. I still think Biden has a better chance at winning. But I'll back Kamala 100% if she is the nominee. (Which again will depend on tomorrows press conference) Nah, if the press conference is a flop, the goalposts will be moved to "let's see if he clears the Lester Holt interview on Monday" Courage is not something Democrats are known for. They will keep waiting and waiting until it's too late, I guarantee it. 2 1
on the line Posted July 10 Posted July 10 14 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Who cares? She's gonna lose in 2028 anyway so might as well get it over with so we can have an actual primary then instead of a coronation. Biden CAN'T win. It's ******* impossible, and the only ones who can't see that are the Ride or Die Biden dick suckers. Kamala at least has a chance. And if there is anyone who would vote for Biden but not Kamala, that goes to show that the Dems built their coalition the wrong way after rejecting any and all approaches that involved outreach to and engagement of the youth voters that Bernie Sanders appealed to. You reap what you sow. Be for ******* real. Nobody wants to suck Joe Biden's dick. And, Biden has won against Trump already. So it's not "impossible." You're really, really angry.... at the wrong people. 5
on the line Posted July 10 Posted July 10 Just now, Vermillion said: And this will be blow by like tumbleweeds… Seriously why aren't we talking about this or AOC introducing impeachment on him? 1
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