FameFatale Posted November 6 Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, Mandalay said: So who's gonna sing at his inauguration if there is one? I don't know the procedures. Shania Twain? Kid Rock
Mike91 Posted November 6 Posted November 6 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Lil Mistee said: Literally where do dems go from here like … Run on economic populism, be moderate on the border/immigration, and remain progressive on social issues but don't make them a central focus of your campaign. Literally Bernie's 2016 platform. It was the perfect balance. Bernie gave dems the blueprint on how to save themselves with the working class but they thought they knew better. Not to say it would have worked but Bernie had more appeal with those types of voters than most other dems have. Edited November 6 by Mike91 11 1
PrettyHurts Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Just now, Illyana Frost said: I honestly don't get it. It's one thing to argue over policy—sure, people have different views on how things should be run, and that's cool. But what blows my mind is seeing people gravitate towards groups that just hate others for not being white, male, straight, or rich. Like, how is that okay? If every racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic person is aligning with one political side… isn't that a massive red flag? I used to want to believe that deep down, people don't just hate other humans for being different. But looking around at who's in power, it feels like that hate and fear have become normal. Now we're stuck in a world run by insecure, bigoted men—think Trump, Putin, Netanyahu, Kim Jong-un. It's beyond depressing. Am I alone in feeling this way? It'd be nice to believe we're better than this, but right now, it's hard to see. I guess if you're a white billionaire, then the world is yours...too bad it sucks for the rest of us. It's awful but this is exactly how dictators gain power. as an american, i'm not surprised he's performed better than 2020. simply put, a lot of americans believe the bullshit he spews, regardless of if it makes sense. 6
Calvin Posted November 6 Posted November 6 This is goddamn ******* crazy and somehow just keeps getting worse.
Sergi91 Posted November 6 Posted November 6 The next 4 years are going to be a **** show! Enjoy the bumpy ride girls!
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 6 ATRL Moderator Posted November 6 7 minutes ago, fridayteenage said: in the last 5 elections: dems ran a man - 3/3 dems ran a woman - 0/2 they party leaders are going to be super reluctant to support another woman for quite a long time... Biden won by 44k votes split across 3 states while Trump was taking the blame for being president during the COVID crisis and a failed economy. Biden would have lost if it weren't for COVID. Simply nominating a man is a lazy response to this electoral outcome and will result in more losses. 10
Tcharm Posted November 6 Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, shyboi said: everybody voted for him, literally all demographics this need to be studied it was this 1
Popular Post Archetype Posted November 6 Popular Post Posted November 6 Kamala this, Biden that. Americans are stupid, that's what it comes down to. They vote with their feelings because it's easier than accepting their own personal failures. It's always easier to blame something bigger than yourself. 18 1 3
Lil Mistee Posted November 6 Posted November 6 Litchman and Ann seltzer You will begin to cough in 7 days 1 7
Vermillion Posted November 6 Posted November 6 @Bloo Your argument on staying engaged is admirable when it's the convicted felon that won. Having worked on the Hill and in campaigns I'll always stay engaged, it's in my DNA. But what I won't do is ever try to get anyone else involved, or more importantly, to care, ever again. I'm done. As far as I'm concerned America is finished. At least in my lifetime it is when you add up the ramifications. 10 2
Uncatena Posted November 6 Posted November 6 seeing people unironically come for third party voters when there is over a 5 million vote difference so far... ooooh boy its gonna be even tougher than usual listening to liberals after this outcome. 4
Calvin Posted November 6 Posted November 6 republican president, republican house, republican senate, republican supreme court things about to get real ******* scary
ClashAndBurn Posted November 6 Posted November 6 I've literally been saying that abortion wouldn't save Dems forever, but... even I didn't think that it would collapse so quickly. I'd thought it would take a cycle of Dems failing to be able to do anything to get abortion rights secured at least. They weren't even given a chance to fail
PrettyHurts Posted November 6 Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Tcharm said: it was this no it wasn't. those people supported him before this. stop trying to pin it on trivial things. they actually believe his crap. 3
Invincibles Posted November 6 Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, St. Charles said: Sure, but that's partially because people decided that inflation caused from post-Covid policies (which turned out better than other comparable countries) was Biden's fault or due to some democratic incompetence. I'm just saying he didn't actually do a terrible job as president. "I'm just saying he didn't actually do a terrible job as president." Ummm... are you forgetting the fact that Biden has been funding and supporting a genocide for the past year? 2
Rocket Posted November 6 Posted November 6 9 minutes ago, Mandalay said: So who's gonna sing at his inauguration if there is one? I don't know the procedures. Shania Twain? Janet. 1
GipJo Posted November 6 Posted November 6 The permanent damage he could do to Supreme Court will be a sight to see. Good luck to Dem for getting any national case passed in that bloody red court.
slayyyterslut Posted November 6 Posted November 6 20 minutes ago, Tcharm said: Holy ****! Ja1ebi is PALESTINIAN. Several Palestinians, Lebanese and other Arabs, in Dearborn, especially voted for Jill Stein in high volume because of how active her campaign was in their community and support of Palestine and stopping the genocide. Genocide is hard to swallow for anyone but its especially awful when it your family being exterminated. Please FFS stop calling Arabs who've been personally affected by this conflict "brandead idiots" Would genuinely like to know how this result of stein losing to trump effects your views on the ongoing genocide.
bad guy Posted November 6 Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said: I've been thinking this for hours but unsure about saying it. We really deeply ****** ourselves over when we twice rejected a candidate who inspired young people like no other in recent memory and had the exact right economic and domestic policy platform to stand against the current conservative tide. I truly hope the next Democratic nominee is like him, rather than being in the vein of the last several nominees. When Clinton lost I naïvely thought the Dems would realize how much they f*cked that up and amplify him in 2020. Instead of embracing his primary wins they instead decided to basically stage a coup against him with all the other primary challengers to prop up Biden who was rejected not once, not twice, but three times by Democratic voters. This was literally confirmed by Harold Ford Jr. on Fox News so I don't even wanna hear Blue MAGA try and say that **** didn't happen. My expectations are lower than dirt when it comes to Dems learning from their mistakes so the realist in me tells me they will go further right, but the optimist in me hopes they embrace populism in the way the right pretends to. 7 2 1
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted November 6 ATRL Moderator Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, Sergi91 said: After he won Florida the night just felt like 2016 all over again… Florida is a deep red state. Losing Florida means nothing. 1
Mr. Blue_Shirt Posted November 6 Posted November 6 THE RULEBOOK'S BEEN TORN UP NOW, AND AMERICA IS WIPING ITS NASTY ASS WITH IT! 1
Communion Posted November 6 Posted November 6 14 minutes ago, bad guy said: I was prepared for a Trump win but I'm in shock about what's happening overall. Democratic incumbents getting beat by Republicans, Congress could be majority Republicans, the popular vote with Trump, the youth vote rise with Trump, the Latino vote jump with Trump, him improving from areas in 2020. This is a complete a total rejection of the Democratic Party. And this is even worse than Clinton so Dems can't even blame third party votes for this failure. In 50 years political scientists will look at the outright snub and plot to erase Bernie Sanders (both in 2016 and especially in 2020) as one of the biggest mistakes the Democratic Party has ever made. For a more optimistic view on these results: Trump is an anomaly. His personality is his biggest asset, in ways most Republican politicians don't possess. Every Trump clone is a total failure. The public continuously rejects Trump-like figures despite supporting Trump himself. That indicates to me that the Republican Party may find trouble in 2028. It's now up to the Democratic Party to do a total factory reset, clean house, and rebrand. This may be an unprecedented election but things can still change for the left. It's not over. This is basically it. Sanders and Trump - the movements they inspired - spawned from the same alienation and anxiety under capitalism. Dems were never going to banquish and defeat what Trump stands for after having marginalized the only opposing force that could discredit it to voters. The snuffing out of Sanders' movement will be remembered as beginnings of a dark, horrible time. The last 4 years were for nothing. The last 8 were for nothing. We might as well be in 2016. Republicans also finally did it: Voters Making Under $50,000: 2016 (36%) - Clinton +12 2020 (35%) - Biden +11 2024 (28%) - Trump +1 9 5
Arthoe Posted November 6 Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, Calvin said: Democrats leaned too much on abortion and woke narrative. Cut out the woke **** if you want to win elections That's exactly what they DIDN'T do at all. They did not lean on social issues and the "woke" identity politics discourse whatsoever in this campaign. The entire campaign focused on "Israel good, Trump BAD, we're gonna make concessions to Republicans, Republicans have a seat at our table" Look at how WELL progressive policies are doing on the ballots, if you just divorce them from having them pushed/endorsed by a poltical party. The general mistake of the Democrats was not moving LEFT, but swinging right towards the Republicans and parading Anti-Trump Republicans around for endorsing Kamala. Trump was able to activate his voter base against Kamala by fear mongering about her being a communist, Harris deliberately deactivated her voter base by telling them that she would continue with Biden's policies (something they explicitly did not want her to do). People wanted change, Harris did not offer it. 2 5
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