GhostBox Posted October 12 Posted October 12 But hey At least we won't have a bipartisan policy group 💀
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 Which is why the national poll crosstabs avg had Trump around 17% in August but the Black only polls were at 12% Guess his verified #s avg is pew & Catalist combined, but not with Edison. Idk what is going on with Hispanic polls though, they're very noisy. The Telemundo one was 2
Jackson Posted October 12 Posted October 12 46 minutes ago, Communion said: Kamala Harris being unable to thread the needle of being seen as having common sense policies while promoting progressive policies her base + most Americans want doesn't: Mean progressive policies are unpopular Justify her abandoning said policies and moving to the right It just means she's an awful candidate and politician who lacks any kind of political skill to convincingly convey her ideology (because she doesn't have one) to voters. This is quite literally what she failed at doing in 2020 and it's embarrassing that she's failing spectacularly in the same way literally again. A lot of progressive policies are popular, and they're largely the things the Biden administration and blue states have been doing this decade, like making prescription drugs more affordable/attainable, ending cash bail, canceling billions of dollars of student loans. A lot of other policies were popular in the late 2010s-early 2020s, but I'm not sure if they'd have popular support now. Is there any polling in the last year on Medicare for All? The most recent poll I can find shows that less than half of voters support Medicare for All or a public option. Voters are extremely reactive. In almost every election, voters swing against the incumbent party. The fact that there was no red wave in 2022 and Kamala might win this year just shows how terrible GOP candidates have been the past few elections.
Redstreak Posted October 12 Posted October 12 "Republicans want to take away your bodily autonomy, also they will make up half of my policy discussion council" is just about the dumbest thing a candidate can say 2
anti-bitch Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 hour ago, GhostBox said: I think the biggest obstacle for Harris running to the left of Biden is the fact she will 100% have a gop senate. Nothing super progressive is ever getting done. So why should she go out and make all these promises on policy knowing **** ain't getting done 💀 I know it sucks but we are at a point and time where we have to pick Harris who will maintain some form of normalcy, minimal progress and stop some of the gop attacks (with the power of the pen) or have Trump and a gop senate ram through everything they want to do destroying any sign of normalcy, progress and democracy with it. I can see where that's not a pretty choice for some. But it's where we are as a country. We are stuck in this rut until Trumps political life dies. 🤷 That's why it would be important to encourage people to vote blue down the ballot, not just Harris. Otherwise she won't get anything passed in Congress and people will falsely blame her for it. 2
Communion Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 minute ago, Jackson said: A lot of progressive policies are popular, and they're largely the things the Biden administration and blue states have been doing this decade, like making prescription drugs more affordable/attainable, ending cash bail, canceling billions of dollars of student loans. A lot of other policies were popular in the late 2010s-early 2020s, but I'm not sure if they'd have popular support now. Is there any polling in the last year on Medicare for All? The most recent poll I can find shows that less than half of voters support Medicare for All or a public option. Voters are extremely reactive. In almost every election, voters swing against the incumbent party. The fact that there was no red wave in 2022 and Kamala might win this year just shows how terrible GOP candidates have been the past few elections. I don't mean to get technocratic here - since other girlies were trying to question each other's sources and the claws were coming out - but the "poll" you're trying to cite is a survey published by a healthcare firm and paid for literally by BlueCross BlueShield dddd: Quote Notably, the survey was conducted on behalf of the Partnership for America's Health Care Future, an industry group created in 2018 comprised of America's Health Insurance Plan, the American Hospital Association, BlueCross BlueShield Association, the Federation of American Hospitals, PhRMA and other major hospital systems, payers and healthcare advocacy groups that seek to quell support and prevent passage of Medicare for All. In 2021, the group spent $80,000 lobbying members of Congress on the issue. It becomes tiring a bit because the popularity of these policies haven't wavered to the point It should be commonly known. Data For Progress' poll from August 2024 shows two-thirds of American voters support a single-payer healthcare system, even when Dems have abandoned the idea. https://www.dataforprogress.org/insights/2024/8/6/democrats-should-run-on-a-progressive-economic-agenda-americans-are-ready And why denial or feigned ignorance to these policies' popularity feels like people trying to hide behind their own personal aversion to these policies. Especially if, for example, you frame the only conceding you'll do as not being willing to admit Democrats' shortcomings and choice to let poor people die. That you of course support progressive policies - a myriad of policies that are apparently already being done under our nose and by the Biden admin no less. I say this not as an attack, but to give context to why some posts by leftists may come off hostile - because it's tiring. On the other hand, I have taken 2020's lesson to remember not everyone - just many - who defend being against progressive policies are doing so because they're the rich trying to dagger the poor. Some people genuinely identify with Democrats as a cultural group, and thus trust elected Democrats when they say "we sincerely want to pass [x policy] but can't" despite the facts saying this is a lie. I am sympathetic to this view and assume you fall into the latter more than the former. 1
GhostBox Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) Imagine if Harris had to literally move signage to see her teleprompter because she couldn't go on without it 💀 the meltdowns from the right would be insane Edited October 12 by GhostBox 1
CamCam Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) I'm not calling anyone out with this post by any means, but with less than a month left before the election, I'm over all of the gloom & doom going on. Kamala is getting my vote not just because of a number of her policies, but simply because I truly believe that if/when Trump loses, much of the Trumpism currently polluting our politics & government will die out, once & for all. While a strain of it may stay & be (poorly) replicated in future Republican/right-wing candidates, having Kamala win will at the very least give the US a strong opportunity to regain sanity/rationale/decorum. Even if Kamala isn't perfect, and she obviously has room to grow, Trump & his hazardous policies/ideologies in the US political system need to go. Period. Edited October 12 by CamCam 3 3
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 4 hours ago, MusicLoverDude said: I find it so ironic that Latinos are somehow very excited about voting for Trump when Trump literally wants "their kind" to be deported. Specifically many Cubans in Florida think Democrats are communist and also don't view themselves as immigrants in the context of the immigrants Trump fearmongers about. It's wierd but
Acuminatus Posted October 12 Posted October 12 47 minutes ago, anti-***** said: That's why it would be important to encourage people to vote blue down the ballot, not just Harris. Otherwise she won't get anything passed in Congress and people will falsely blame her for it. Unfortunately the right wingers she is courting will probably vote red down ballot even if they vote for her and leave us with a useless Congress. 1
Communion Posted October 12 Posted October 12 9 minutes ago, CamCam said: I'm not calling anyone out with this post by any means, but with less than a month left before the election, I'm over the gloom & doom. Kamala is getting my vote not just because of a number of her policies, but simply because I truly believe that if/when Trump loses, much of the Trumpism currently polluting out politics & government will die once & for all. While a strain of it may stay & be (poorly) replicated in future Republican/right-wing candidates, having Kamala win will at the very least give the US a strong opportunity to regain sanity/rationale. Even if Kamala isn't perfect, and she obviously has room to grow, Trump & his hazardous policies/ideologies in the US political system need to go. Period. Girlies are some of you using this thread as self-soothing cause some of this feels like therapy talk over what should be analytical media consumption and the data wonkiness of election polling. I tease only cause so much of leftist disagreement on even Harris' strategy to win is met with reactionary accusations of projecting emotional resentment on to Dems yet some of the reactions to just polls have been multiple people going "I WONT ACCEPT YOUR DOOMMONGERING!!!!! YOU WILL NOT RAIN ON MY.PARADE!!! PERIOD!!!" fjfkdj girlies are yall good?
CamCam Posted October 12 Posted October 12 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Communion said: Girlies are some of you using this thread as self-soothing cause some of this feels like therapy talk over what should be analytical media consumption and the data wonkiness of election polling. I tease only cause so much of leftist disagreement on even Harris' strategy to win is met with reactionary accusations of projecting emotional resentment on to Dems yet some of the reactions to just polls have been multiple people going "I WONT ACCEPT YOUR DOOMMONGERING!!!!! YOU WILL NOT RAIN ON MY.PARADE!!! PERIOD!!!" fjfkdj girlies are yall good? I promise fam, just venting here after reading past pages If anything, I'm still pretty confident in her chances of winning even with the polls moving so often (so much so that I hold back on commenting from fear of seeming too optimistic, LOL). Much of my frustration comes from wanting more people to see the big picture here. Sure, some issues need to be addressed on the Dems'/Kamala's side, but it feels like even with the accurate data out there & fact checking, some people still don't seem to understand the gravity of this election & the possible ramifications. But you know what, lemme just... *breathes in*...*breathes out* Edited October 12 by CamCam 6
Lightbringer007 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 as the good sis @Relampago. said earlier, dont let the news make your life harder and more dread its nearly Halloween season ... get a costume, eat some candy, etc! You only live once 4 1
Popular Post dancingqueen Posted October 12 Popular Post Posted October 12 Nobody has brought up the Supreme Court in a while for some odd reason. Have we not learned from 2016 that elections have long term consequences. Trump adding at minimum two more justices is enough reason for me to vote Harris/Walz. 16
Armani? Posted October 12 Posted October 12 "Through the roof". Gradually polling less every month in national polls 1 1
Elusive Chanteuse Posted October 12 Posted October 12 51 minutes ago, CamCam said: I'm not calling anyone out with this post by any means, but with less than a month left before the election, I'm over all of the gloom & doom going on. Kamala is getting my vote not just because of a number of her policies, but simply because I truly believe that if/when Trump loses, much of the Trumpism currently polluting out politics & government will die once & for all. While a strain of it may stay & be (poorly) replicated in future Republican/right-wing candidates, having Kamala win will at the very least give the US a strong opportunity to regain sanity/rationale/decorum. Even if Kamala isn't perfect, and she obviously has room to grow, Trump & his hazardous policies/ideologies in the US political system need to go. Period. I agree and I try to to think this way. I fear the consequences of him winning again, especially if he picks more supreme court judges to take more rights away for years to come. The polls are also neck and neck so its a toss up so its hard not to be worried, imo. 6
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