Blue Rose Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 She should’ve showed up to the Loewe fashion show. They deserved the queen’s presence 2
Blue Rose Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, sillycilla said: Love this! This theory had me gagging. She does goes a little off towards the end tho https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Mjmhhd/ 1
Draper. Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 What’s even funnier about the Actress thing is that he is an electronic music producer and the movie is a play. It kinda fits perfectly.
Cbreezy Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, swissman said: I doubt history is going to look back at musicians' business ventures when assessing them. When appraising someone like Marlon Brando, is anyone saying "well, Paul Newman had that successful line of salad dressings so he's far more relevant." Art lives on, products are of the moment, and unless the brand becomes so synonymous within its industry, there's little reason to remark on it or revere it. We're usually on the same side of the fence, but I have to disagree. Especially in the here and now. It's a very different landscape...today. History is literally being written from a very different lens. Bey's musical achievements and innovation ARE enough to cement her in history. That much is a given. What's different today is the false equivalency that audiences today operate by. Even in 2016, during GREAT eras for both Bey and Rih (with Lemonade and Anti respectively), the vast majority of people understood there is a Queen (Bey) and a Princess (Rih). Put simply, the "levels" were understood and not smudged. Fast forward to now and, despite nothing changing musically (as Rihanna hasn't put out an album since), I've been in many circles where they are being mentioned/assessed as equals in music. And, call me pressed, but that bothers me because it's factually incorrect. Especially as the metrics informing this are solely based on Rih's amplified "celebrity status" earned by her extracurricular wins and the success of her yesteryear material on streaming. None of this factors in realtime impact of their eras, genuine cultural penetration of the material, innovation, etc. In a way, it's a version of the literally insane comparisons people try and make between Chris Brown and Michael Jackson for flat and inapplicable reasons. Audiences are entitled to alternative opinions but they shouldn't be able to create alternative facts. Sadly, the latter now happens a lot. I could moan about this all day, but it's one of the reasons I actively want Bey to win with her extracurricular activities too. The way people assess success is not going to change. The benefit of winning in x is that it benefits y. Ultimately, winning with a haircare line or fragrance only amplifies the overall Beyonce brand and contemporary relevance. So, I'm for it. Edited September 29, 2023 by Cbreezy 1
swissman Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, Cbreezy said: We're usually on the same side of the fence, but I have to disagree. Especially in the here and now. It's a very different landscape...today. History is literally being written from a very different lens. Bey's musical achievements and innovation ARE enough to cement her in history. That much is a given. What's different today is the false equivalency that audiences today operate by. Even in 2016, during GREAT eras for both Bey and Rih (with Lemonade and Anti respectively), the vast majority of people understood there is a Queen (Bey) and a Princess (Rih). Put simply, the "levels" were understood and not smudged. Fast forward to now and, despite nothing changing musically (as Rihanna hasn't put out an album since), I've been in many circles where they are being mentioned/assessed as equals in music. And, call me pressed, but that bothers me because it's factually incorrect. Especially as the metrics informing this are solely based on Rih's amplified "celebrity status" earned by her extracurricular wins and the success of her yesteryear material on streaming. None of this factors in realtime impact of their eras, genuine cultural penetration of the material, innovation, etc. In a way, it's a version of the literally insane comparisons people try and make between Chris Brown and Michael Jackson for flat and inapplicable reasons. Audiences are entitled to alternative opinions but they shouldn't be able to create alternative facts. Sadly, the latter now happens a lot. I could moan about this all day, but it's one of the reasons I actively want Bey to win with her extracurricular activities too. The way people assess success is not going to change. The benefit of winning in x is that it benefits y. Ultimately, winning with a haircare line or fragrance only amplifies the overall Beyonce brand and contemporary relevance. So, I'm for it. I'd say that has more to do with the length of time since Rihanna's last work creating nostalgia for her a a pop figure, as well as the continued success of her bonafide bops that people still love (she does have some great classics). It's easier for people to look back and assess thing as bigger or more important than they are (though she is big and important) than to regard it in the moment (which is how Beyoncé got her legend status). I don't personally think people are assessing Rihanna based on her Fenty line, even if that's part of the factors involved. And if they are, they're stanning products, not art. I of course want Beyoncé's ventures to be successful too, I just don't think it's so integral that they do. Jessica Alba has a very successful line, but she's not going to be regarded on the level of Natalie Portman or other such actresses of her era because of it. Maybe acting is a different field than pop where it's less about a person/persona, but still, I'd prefer Beyoncé to be known for her work not as a Colonel Sanders figure of a global brand. If in the future anyone says, "oh BEYONCÉ made that company?" or "the IVYPARK lady makes MUSIC?", then that's not a good legacy, imo.
Shone Ai Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 14 hours ago, cloudbusting said: just got my plans to do remote work approved so im officially escaping the woods and driving down to the finale from Pennsylvania on my way home not me literally driving like 1200 miles to see mother You better get in that car NOW
Mitsouko Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 Two more sleeps chile until we're back where we started
kimberly Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 I just know Bey regrets not coming up with a makeup brand and the 50-shade foundation range before Fenty Beauty. Rih didn't really have anything to do with makeup until that point, so it wouldn't have been out of place for Bey either. it would have fit her brand so well, creating an inclusive product line that serves people with darker skin tones as well as it does whites. However I'm glad she never tried to enter the beauty market after that. there are way too many celeb makeup lines and most of them are useless cash grabs that failed beyond the launch hype. we all know Bey would have got clowned the most if that happened.
kimberly Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Blue Rose said: This theory had me gagging. She does goes a little off towards the end tho https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Mjmhhd/ not the "coco chanel lock me up in jail" = she will get arrested wearing chanel 1
sillycilla Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Blue Rose said: This theory had me gagging. She does goes a little off towards the end tho https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8Mjmhhd/ I’ve been down the matrix rabbit hole too. Lol
Blue Rose Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, sillycilla said: I’ve been down the matrix rabbit hole too. Lol I haven’t started on the Matrix theories yet but Neo = the One. Trinity = three acts = her main dancer being named Trinity. The LGBT messages. The spaceships. The idea of transforming into an avatar etc… I’m already sold 1
Machete Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 3 hours ago, swissman said: I doubt history is going to look back at musicians' business ventures when assessing them. When appraising someone like Marlon Brando, is anyone saying "well, Paul Newman had that successful line of salad dressings so he's far more relevant." Art lives on, products are of the moment, and unless the brand becomes so synonymous within its industry, there's little reason to remark on it or revere it. Completely agree. The failure of IVP and Bey’s ventures hurt her for future ventures within the industry but make absolutely no mark on the GP evaluating her legend status. If you ask me I would want Bey to stop trying all these business ventures and just stick to the music. 1
Blue Rose Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 WHAT? Typical Beyoncé. Nothing for months then drop everything at the same time
kimberly Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, Blue Rose said: Are we moving? is it happening?
Blue Rose Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 1 minute ago, kimberly said: is it happening? Can’t get our hopes up because Ticketmaster Mexico did troll us before. But this folder is saying Final. Im guessing they have the final list with 12 cities. If we don’t get anything by Monday afternoon, then it’s really over (sorry Katy Perry)
carameldelight Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 I personally think some people are meant to just be legends in their respective fields. Music is Beyonce's. She can become a billionaire off music alone. I can't imagine MJ selling socks. I do understand her and Jay wanting to create generational wealth as well. 3 1
carameldelight Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Blue Rose said: Can’t get our hopes up because Ticketmaster Mexico did troll us before. But this folder is saying Final. Im guessing they have the final list with 12 cities. If we don’t get anything by Monday afternoon, then it’s really over (sorry Katy Perry) I don't want to get my hopes up on this.
kimberly Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 to be fair this was my prediction a month ago... I thought she'd tour Australia in Jan/Feb and LatAm in Feb/March. On 8/31/2023 at 10:51 PM, kimberly said: my timeline prediction right now is visuals and Act II after the tour and new tour legs announced for next year, starting in Australia. we shall see if they have an ounce of logic left or not over at Parkwood.
BnPac Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 I'm not convinced the tour is for this album. She's contrariant sure but there has been nothing happening with the album since CI, will they keep the era until next year with just the tour. They seem to not do more on Ren, so we might as well get Act II sooner at least.
AxelFox Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 29 minutes ago, Blue Rose said: WHAT? Typical Beyoncé. Nothing for months then drop everything at the same time Hm? What is this?
HausofArtpopII Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 It's random days like this where I wonder, is her streaming presence becoming stronger or is this just a one off.
sillycilla Posted September 29, 2023 Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) Most likely not but here goes another theory lol Edited September 29, 2023 by sillycilla
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