charts discussion HDD: Adele 833k (biggest debut of the year), Taylor 165k

[byzantium]

13 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

swifties living of what ifs because they don't have numbers to back it up their logic - a new all time low for the most insecure fan base to ever exist. i feel bad

Swifties have the numbers. Look at Lover and Folkore.  OTHs have to live in the world of "if" just to discredit those actual recorded numbers.

[RobynYoBank]

24 minutes ago, Rami said:

I love Taylor Swift and so proud of her achievements, but I agree Adele is a huge seller, and if Taylor released the same week as Adele she wouldn’t have got the same results she did last week. Taylor and Adele’s strategy are both different. I am so proud of both artists, Taylor second week numbers and Adele’s numbers. 

You couldn't even buy Taylor's album in stores on release week. There was no inventory available anywhere, especially Target, and there still isn't.

[TaylorFantasy]

3 hours ago, Eternium said:

The way Taylor stans have to claim everything is racist against China so they can use unscrupulous numbers to boost their fave’s stats  

You’re notorious for spewing disgustingly racist narratives against Chinese sales doing everything you can to discredit Chinese sales Just to undermine Taylor so Britney’s sales could look more impressive so miss me with this bs.

 

Even if I wasn’t a Taylor stan you think I wouldn’t find your fake Chinese sales talking points offensive? I’m literally Asian and we can read English. I have seen too anti Asian racism (including subtle ones) to give any of y’all the benefit of the doubt.

[FAN]

1 hour ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

It actually is mind boggling to me that people who stan for the third  biggest female artist in the world currently ( Adele, Olivia, Taylor)  - can be THIS insecure. 

So after trashing Olivia every day since good 4u/butter release you’re now using Olivia to drag Taylor? Taylor is the biggest female in the world. 

[Headlock]

2 hours ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

I done need to name everyone i listen to. I also am a fan of Lil Nas X. 

Yet you seem to trot out your "faves" whenever you need a shield to drag someone else. Convenient, wouldn't you say? 

[Headlock]

2 hours ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

It actually is mind boggling to me that people who stan for the third  biggest female artist in the world currently ( Adele, Olivia, Taylor)  - can be THIS insecure. 

God you really can never quit, not when you used BTS and Billie this entire year to drag Olivia 

[Brando]

2 hours ago, dylanx said:

uhhhh...  no one goes like "I would have bought this Taylor album any other week, but I won't as Adele also released an album"

I was talking about Taylor dropping a new album, not Red going against 30. That person is a troll and pretends he can't read. Ignore 

[Headlock]

3 hours ago, Eternium said:

The way Taylor stans have to claim everything is racist against China so they can use unscrupulous numbers to boost their fave’s stats  

 

Obviously nobody is going to buy into the sales numbers of a market who claims they had the biggest selling digital single ever in under 24 hours and the best-selling single ever in less than a year when the rest of the world combined, during a period where sales were actually alive, couldn’t match the numbers of one tiny market during the streaming era where sales are totally dead.

 

The fact that we have to resort to fabricated sales numbers from countries with no regulation system to compete with Adele shows us just how big her album 30 is  

Seriously, what did China do to you 

Are you mad one of your faves flopped there? Are you super pro-capitalist? Did they kill your entire family? Like what is it that makes you so vehemently against validating the Chinese market? 

[Agenor]

17 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Seriously, what did China do to you 

 

China government did one great thing two months ago, which is now evident in sales numbers. Should US follow next?

 

 

 

Major Chinese music platform limits purchases of digital albums and singles to curb overzealous fan support

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232773.shtml

[family.guy123]

10 minutes ago, Agenor said:

China government did one great thing two months ago, which is now evident in sales numbers. Should US follow next?

 

 

 

Major Chinese music platform limits purchases of digital albums and singles to curb overzealous fan support

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232773.shtml

not banned by the government no. fans should be able to donate as much money as they want to their overLords

 

charts maybe though

[Headlock]

37 minutes ago, Agenor said:

China government did one great thing two months ago, which is now evident in sales numbers. Should US follow next?

 

 

 

Major Chinese music platform limits purchases of digital albums and singles to curb overzealous fan support

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1232773.shtml

And Taylor would still be the biggest western artist in China 

You've lost your touch there Agenor, a little down on your luck this past week with your stats?

[Agenor]

8 minutes ago, Headlock said:

And Taylor would still be the biggest western artist in China 

You've lost your touch there Agenor, a little down on your luck this past week with your stats?

It's funny how the sales have diminished significantly in China even though it's a fan favourite album available for the first time there...

 

- Red (TV) - 302k

- 30 - 206k

 

Not bad for Adele, a flop artist nobody cares for in China (with a week less of sales).

 

[Headlock]

7 minutes ago, Agenor said:

It's funny how the sales have diminished significantly in China even though it's a fan favourite album available for the first time there...

 

- Red (TV) - 302k

- 30 - 206k

 

Not bad for Adele, a flop artist nobody cares for in China (with a week less of sales).

 

Ah yes, once again the foolproof method of comparing a re-recording to a new album strikes again, and what I said still rings true nonetheless 

I'm surprised you haven't trotted out an Olivia Coleman gif, I'm disappointed.

[Alex21kw]

The only reason why these numbers aren't as good as expected is that the label said they expect 1.2 million. 

 

Besides that, this is (by quite a big margin) the best result of this 'new era' of album unit tracking. There is no reason to compare with Folklore, which was before the rule change.

 

The best results so far:

- Sour: 295k (76k vinyls in August) 

- Evermore: 329k (102k vinyls in June) [would have probably done close to 500k with physicals]

- CLB: 613k (562k streaming)

- Red TV: 605k (369k sales out of which 114k vinyls)

- 30: 800k+

 

In my opinion only Taylor Swift can debut with more than 800k in the next few years. Until that, the facts are there's a big margin between 30 and the second best performing album. 33% more to be exact. Until someone beats this (and again, possibly only Taylor with TS10 in 2 years), this is the new gold standard

[Cruel Summer]

I seriously, honestly do not understand why we would sit here and pretend that the change to the bundle rule had such a wildly outsized impact on the music industry that 30 is completely incomparable to the last album to do roughly the same numbers. It feels entirely like an excuse rather than a reasoned position - a way to continue the narrative that Adele is some untouchable commercial goddess with no peers. We don't even know how many bundles Folklore actually sold, correct? And even if we did, we have zero way of proving that Taylor would have otherwise debuted lower. 

[KOMH]

900k is probably within reach with Wednesday & Thursday sales

[Rico Shameless v2]

8 hours ago, Brando said:

If Taylor released a brand new album instead of Red and didn't move the date, had decent amount of promo, and had CDs and vinyls ready to ship I'm worried that she might have snatched that #1 from 30. This is a scary thought, but seems like it's true 

We could “if” all day and make Adele’s number bigger too, so no.

 

If Adele had done SNL, not prerecorded choppy “specials” of old hits. If Adele had not released on streaming again. If Adele had performed at AMAs. I mean.

Edited November 25, 2021 by Rico Shameless v2

[Agenor]

47 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Ah yes, once again the foolproof method of comparing a re-recording to a new album strikes again, and what I said still rings true nonetheless 

I'm surprised you haven't trotted out an Olivia Coleman gif, I'm disappointed.

Does it matter if this is a re-recording since the original was never available in China? This is the first official release of the RED album there... never could've imagined China would be the only country in the world where Fearless (TV) will outperform Red (TV). 

 

Edited November 25, 2021 by Agenor

[Gaia]

ngl I'm interested to see how Taylor's next album does. Because if doesn't sell at least 1M copies then they will look like absolute clowns in this thread. 

 

"BARELY OUTSOLD A RE-RECORDING"

 

So what's gonna happen if Taylor's next original album sells 700k first week? Are you going to drag her for barely outselling her own re-recording?  

Edited November 25, 2021 by Gaia

[Cleanromantic]

These numbers are disappointing for her and her label, let's not lie to ourselves. There's a reason they held off releasing it during the pandemic, and that is to maximize sales. This is not the first time Adele and her label follow a strategy to sell, by her own admission, 25 was about motherhood before she scrapped it and wrote an album that followed the 21 formula because "no body would buy that". And 30 is promoted as an authentic album compared to 25. Her team definitely expected a 1.5 million debut at the very least, but the album is mediocre and lacks the melodies and lyricism that made 21 and 25 such gargantuan successes. Her taking so much time between projects has also hindered her streaming potential, but I guess one silver lining of this underperformance is that her label would be expecting her to take shorter hiatuses between albums in order for her to sell, so at the very least her fans won in that regard.

[Sazare]

These Adele numbers are shocking, pop markets are so fickle

 

Guess she’s not winning her third consecutive AOTY

[By the Water]

14 minutes ago, Gaia said:

ngl I'm interested to see how Taylor's next album does. Because if doesn't sell at least 1M copies then they will look like absolute clowns in this thread. 

 

"BARELY OUTSOLD A RE-RECORDING"

 

So what's gonna happen if Taylor's next original album sells 700k first week? Are you going to drag her for barely outselling her own re-recording?  

Taylor's next album will be her 10th(!!!) studio album. If she sells anywhere near 700k first week, all that will do is solidify that she's the biggest female artist of the century

[Headlock]

25 minutes ago, Agenor said:

Does it matter if this is a re-recording since the original was never available in China? This is the first official release of the RED album there... never could've imagined China would be the only country in the world where Fearless (TV) will outperform Red (TV). 

 

Because Fearless was generally bigger is Asia than the original Red 

 

~Maggie Smith gif~

[Headlock]

1 hour ago, Cruel Summer said:

I seriously, honestly do not understand why we would sit here and pretend that the change to the bundle rule had such a wildly outsized impact on the music industry that 30 is completely incomparable to the last album to do roughly the same numbers. It feels entirely like an excuse rather than a reasoned position - a way to continue the narrative that Adele is some untouchable commercial goddess with no peers. We don't even know how many bundles Folklore actually sold, correct? And even if we did, we have zero way of proving that Taylor would have otherwise debuted lower. 

Don't worry, if they didn't have the bundle thing they would use the "fans buying multiple copies" thing, and if that failed they would use something else. They've decided the outcome in their heads already 

[Cloröx]

This never ending argument 

Taylor did 600k+, very impressive considering it's rerecording 

Adele did 800k+ also impressive, she's still on top of the game, but it's underwhelming considering majority predicting her to do 1M+ easily