charts discussion HDD: Adele 833k (biggest debut of the year), Taylor 165k

[Cruel Summer]

1 minute ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

They've done it many times in the past. Especially with streaming: they're usually super conservative with SEA, even when the numbers point to it being higher than what they are estimating.

Well, the numbers don't really suggest much higher than 158k at this point for 30 - it got about 75k in the first 3 days, and that includes the first day being larger than others, as any normal release. In addition, I'm not aware of them having ever been intentionally conservative besides maybe releases like 25 or 1989 - which had projections rising more or less each day, rather than remaining the same - and even for those I don't believe they ever stated that they were being cautious.

[DesiredConsternation]

Just now, Blue Honeymoon said:

They were estimating 500K pure sales yesterday, now the number is 675K... 

They estimated an excess of 500k physical copies. That excludes iTunes and other digital sales which are still pure. 

[Elusive Chanteuse]

5 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

Hits Daily Double does not intentionally lowball any album, and has in fact decreased projections before. That their current estimate for 30 did not significantly change (833k is nearly in the middle of the 800k to 850k range) should give you a clear sign of how things are going. Take that as you will.

u think she can sell 25k more on last day to get to 700k? 

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

They were estimating 500K pure sales yesterday, now the number is 675K... 

The 500k yesterday was physical, not pure. This is still in line with that prediction

[Cruel Summer]

1 minute ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

They were estimating 500K pure sales yesterday, now the number is 675K... 

That was the estimate from physical sources - CD and vinyl - alone. This is inclusive of digital sales.

[blackbeatxx]

675k SOLD albums 

 

and we’ll just see what happens but given how 30 is seemingly doing on AM, 160k SEA sounds a lil conservative.

but, we dont know AM numbers so 

[Cruel Summer]

1 minute ago, Elusive Chanteuse said:

u think she can sell 25k more on last day to get to 700k? 

At this rate it's possible, but I don't think it's likely; I thought she'd do 650k to 675k based on Billboard's initial reports for her first three days, and now HDD are predicting 675k. Seems like that's pretty much the upper bound plus or minus a few thousand, especially now that Targets are closing on the last day of the tracking week (and they'd have been potentially her best source of sales).

[UnusualBoy]

The pure sales are insane, 675k , I was hoping it could get closer to 900k in overall activity tho.

[Michael196]

6 hours ago, Bey Admired said:

How is Taylor slightly ahead of Adele in the US? This is based on literally nothing. Adele has 2 diamond albums in the US and just had the biggest debut of the year with her latest release in just 3 days. 

 

If you don’t want people to compare, then it’s very stupid to go onto say how “Taylor is a bit head of Adele”. It’s counterproductive and is doing the exact same thing you just told someone else to stop doing. 

 

I respect you Blackbeatxx but this post is all over the place. 

Billboard's Greatest of All-Time Artists :

 

Overall: (Last updated in 2019)

Spoiler

#1 The Beatles

#2 The Rolling Stones

#3 Elton John

#4 Mariah Carey

#5 Madonna

#6 Barbra Streisand

#7 Michael Jackson

#8 Taylor Swift

#9 Stevie Wonder

#10 Chicago

Billboard 200: (updated in april)

Spoiler

#1 The Beatles

#2 The Rolling Stones

#3 Barbra Streisand

#4 (+4) Taylor Swift

#5 Elton John

#6 Garth Brooks

#7 Mariah Carey

#8 Herb Alpert

#9 Eminem

#10 Chicago

Hot 100: (just updated)

Spoiler

#21 (+3) Taylor

 

Among Women:

#1 Madonna

#2 Mariah

#3 Janet

#4 Whitney

#5 Rihanna

#6 Taylor

 

To debut this century:

#1 Rihanna

#2 Drake

#3 Taylor

Taylor got two diamond albums too, with a third on the way

[georgechxng]

I love how she could easily cross 900k by pulling off the signed cds gimmick but won't do it because 1. she is too lazy to make up time for that 2. she doesn't care

 

675k pure is insane. What the hell.

[State of Grace.]

Red

 

Good #s for Adele albeit a lil underwhelming

[Blue Honeymoon]

9 minutes ago, DesiredConsternation said:

They estimated an excess of 500k physical copies. That excludes iTunes and other digital sales which are still pure. 

I don't think 30 is selling 175k digital albums. I mean, physical albums are being purchased for nostalgia/collection purposes. 

But who on their right mind buys a digital album in 2021, when you have Spotify, Apple Music right there, or you can

download the songs in your CD right into your computer/phone?

Edited November 23, 2021 by Blue Honeymoon

[wastedpotential]

3 minutes ago, Michael196 said:

Billboard's Greatest of All-Time Artists :

 

Overall: (Last updated in 2019)

  Reveal hidden contents

#1 The Beatles

#2 The Rolling Stones

#3 Elton John

#4 Mariah Carey

#5 Madonna

#6 Barbra Streisand

#7 Michael Jackson

#8 Taylor Swift

#9 Stevie Wonder

#10 Chicago

Billboard 200: (updated in april)

  Reveal hidden contents

#1 The Beatles

#2 The Rolling Stones

#3 Barbra Streisand

#4 (+4) Taylor Swift

#5 Elton John

#6 Garth Brooks

#7 Mariah Carey

#8 Herb Alpert

#9 Eminem

#10 Chicago

Hot 100: (just updated)

  Reveal hidden contents

#21 (+3) Taylor

 

Among Women:

#1 Madonna

#2 Mariah

#3 Janet

#4 Whitney

#5 Rihanna

#6 Taylor

 

To debut this century:

#1 Rihanna

#2 Drake

#3 Taylor

Taylor got two diamond albums too, with a third on the way

 

Unfortunately for Adele, 30 doesn't appear to be a blockbuster big enough to push her over Taylor's placement in the US. 

[Starkboy]

Best selling albums 2021 (pure copies)

 

1 Adele - "30" | 675,000 est.

2 Taylor Swift - "evermore" | 470,000 est.

3 Taylor Swift - "Red (Taylor's version) | 445,000 est.

4 Taylor Swift - "Fearless (Taylor's version) | 445,000 est.

5 Olivia Rodrigo - "SOUR" | 435,000 est.

 

The girls are killing t

 

[Blue Honeymoon]

6 minutes ago, Michael196 said:

Billboard's Greatest of All-Time Artists :

 

Overall: (Last updated in 2019)

  Reveal hidden contents

#1 The Beatles

#2 The Rolling Stones

#3 Elton John

#4 Mariah Carey

#5 Madonna

#6 Barbra Streisand

#7 Michael Jackson

#8 Taylor Swift

#9 Stevie Wonder

#10 Chicago

Billboard 200: (updated in april)

  Reveal hidden contents

#1 The Beatles

#2 The Rolling Stones

#3 Barbra Streisand

#4 (+4) Taylor Swift

#5 Elton John

#6 Garth Brooks

#7 Mariah Carey

#8 Herb Alpert

#9 Eminem

#10 Chicago

Hot 100: (just updated)

  Reveal hidden contents

#21 (+3) Taylor

 

Among Women:

#1 Madonna

#2 Mariah

#3 Janet

#4 Whitney

#5 Rihanna

#6 Taylor

 

To debut this century:

#1 Rihanna

#2 Drake

#3 Taylor

Taylor got two diamond albums too, with a third on the way

1989 is NOT certified Diamond yet.

[wastedpotential]

2 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

1989 is NOT certified Diamond yet.

No but it's been eligible for a few years now. 

[georgechxng]

Swifties are so insecure she's pulling off the biggest debut of the post bundles era and had 2 blockbusters albums on US out of 4 with 21 and 25 (just like Fearless and 1989 out of 11 from Taylor). If Taylor can prove she can do that much without any gimmicks with TS10, then I think y'all can have the "Taylor is bigger in the US" discussion but for now only one of them can excell at both singles and albums without releasing 16 different versions of an album and 8-10 remixes of a single throughout the week

[Ichinaru19]

This thread is a mess

[Redstreak]

RedTV doing amazing

[iam1925]

reputation remains unbothered, the best dark pop album still the record holder 

 

Not bad for Adele, she did all what she can do to promote this album. All the TV specials, the promotion in all the biggest cities in the world (even booking an ad in the tallest building in the world), interview with Oprah, TTH placement and playlisting. Even EOM and the comeback hype somehow helps to achieve this 800K sales, tho the sales expectation is somewhat different 

[ALA]

Isn't Adele doing good on Apple Music? Thought the streaming #s would be higher

[Hot Volcano]

I still have faith in 900k

 

8 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

 

Unfortunately for Adele, 30 doesn't appear to be a blockbuster big enough to push her over Taylor's placement in the US. 

 

11 albums compared to 3 albums 

[Elusive Chanteuse]

1 minute ago, georgechxng said:

Swifties are so insecure she's pulling off the biggest debut of the post bundles era and had 2 blockbusters albums on US out of 4 with 21 and 25 (just like Fearless and 1989 out of 11 from Taylor). If Taylor can prove she can do that much without any gimmicks with TS10, then I think y'all can have the "Taylor is bigger in the US" discussion but for now only one of them can excell at both singles and albums without releasing 16 different versions of an album and 8-10 remixes of a single throughout the week

Just leave it. It’s died down and they got their laughs. Its done until second week. 

[UnusualBoy]

7 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

 

Unfortunately for Adele, 30 doesn't appear to be a blockbuster big enough to push her over Taylor's placement in the US. 

I don't understand why some people insist that Adele and Taylor's careers are comparable in US? Sure Adele has 2 HUGE albums (2 of the biggest of the past 20 years) and 4 humongous hits but Taylor has 5 albums which has sold 5 million at the very least and some others around those numbers too, big hits, insane streaming power, record breaking touring numbers, etc and all that in the span of 16 years and with no signs of slowing down, I mean... get it right girls...

[Heart.me]

Queen Adele with good numbers, but I was expecting a 1.0M debut tho. Great hold for Silk Sonic.