charts discussion Billboard Charts (Week of December 7, 2019)

[killer_rose]

3 minutes ago, Sinister said:

The Christmas & Year-end freeze was fine because radio always went back to the songs they were playing before 

 

Christmas songs are getting bigger and bigger in the chart every year. This will be the first year we truly see how big the impact will be

 

I can definitely see BB regulating Christmas music to just the Holiday chart. So many BB records will eventually be held by Christmas music (longest climb, biggest fall, most weeks).

Hot100 is for ALL types of music. By your logic, rap music is so big right now it is breaking all kinds of records...maybe they should limit it to Rap chart only. 

[iHype.]

4 minutes ago, killer_rose said:

Hot100 is for ALL types of music. By your logic, rap music is so big right now it is breaking all kinds of records...maybe they should limit it to Rap chart only. 

Y'all truly aren't getting it, because you keep posting examples that make no sense at all in comparison.

 

The issue is century old music just recharting every year because it is tied to a tradition, and nothing else. A chart specifically focused on measuring music celebrated with that tradition makes more sense, then to have it just compete and alter/prematurely end runs of current hits.

[Sinister]

1 minute ago, killer_rose said:

Hot100 is for ALL types of music. By your logic, rap music is so big right now it is breaking all kinds of records...maybe they should limit it to Rap chart only. 

Are you dumb?

 

Rap music doesn't chart for only 1 month out the year. Be smarter if you wanna try a comparison 

 

But hey. Maybe more artists will attempt to cash in on the Christmas wave like the UK has been doing for decades

[Sinister]

Screaming at Christmas music (a genre only recognized in Quarter 4) being compared to a genre that is relevant every second for the past 50 years 

 

I have heard it all

[slw84]

27 minutes ago, eaucitronnée said:

they didn't cast voodoo, his team was stupid and categorised the video as "lifestyle" instead of "music" so the system didn't pick up on it

Thanks for stating the truth.

[fridayteenage]

xmas in the t40

2018 16

2017 5

 

So last year was a big explosion as streaming sinks its claws more indelibly into the charts

[Chemical X.]

Billboard will 100% adjust their rules about Christmas music so idk why y’all are arguing with iHype.

 

like, there’s just no way the industry will be happy with these results for years on-end  and the charts have always been a measure of the industry, not some purity test of true popularity. idk what the solution would be, but either the chart rules will change or labels will only push Holiday music in Q4 (I can’t imagine this happening for a variety of reasons, but who knows)

[jose168]

The lambs taking it so personally

 

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Whether or not they are on the hot 100, xmas music will be consumed each year at the same time, labels will make their money and be happy etc. However, a higher charting hit for a new artist can be make or break for them, and its not fair to just have the top 30 slots reserved for xmas music  

[slw84]

1 minute ago, fridayteenage said:

xmas in the t40

2018 16

2017 5

 

So last year was a big explosion as streaming sinks its claws more indelibly into the charts

It’s funny streaming is the future they said.

we love double counting of songs and album units equivalent 

 

we love when our faves album bombs chart every album track for 1-2 weeks and send 

songs into worse peaks and recurrent status 

 

we love when artist get their just due (streaming boosts) after passing away and hit #1 or re peak 

 

but...but...but...Xmas songs charting for 3-5 weeks are problematic. It matters when jingle bells rock

[Feanor]

Idk get why some are so mad at Christmas songs charting so well this time of year.

 

The Hot 100 should reflect what people are listening to at any given moment, and that just happens to be Christmas music in December.

I didn’t see anyone have a problem when Thriller re-charted again last year.

 

Music is so engraved in people’s life's, that I really don’t see the problem of people consuming Christmas music, cause Christmas after all is also only a part of our life.

 

The bottom line is that people still actively listen to those songs and that’s why they deserve to chart.

 

That’s also why I think Billboard’s recurrent rule is stupid. If a song charts for 100s of weeks in the top 100, just let it be.

[slw84]

3 minutes ago, Chemical X. said:

Billboard will 100% adjust their rules about Christmas music so idk why y’all are arguing with iHype.

 

like, there’s just no way the industry will be happy with these results for years on-end  and the charts have always been a measure of the industry, not some purity test of true popularity. idk what the solution would be, but either the chart rules will change or labels will only push Holiday music in Q4 (I can’t imagine this happening for a variety of reasons, but who knows)

They should keep the same energy for album bombs, surges after passings etc.

[St. Charles]

I'm fine with them ending Christmas music, but only after Mariah takes the #1. 

[UNNAMI]

please stop pretending that banning xmas songs will encourage artist to release their singles mid november and december. that won't happen.

 

they are not releasing not because they will fail at charts, they are not releasing because ACUTAL PEOPLE are listening to xmas songs and are making their own xmas songs or chosing those from spotify. yes if someone's favorite artist will release new single they may add it to xmas playlist or something BUT GENERAL PUBLIC is in xmas mode and are listening old xmas songs and nothing is gonna change that.

 

if you ban xmas songs we will have number one song in december with 100 points at 1.

[fridayteenage]

6 minutes ago, UNNAMI said:

if you ban xmas songs we will have number one song in december with 100 points at 1.

pretty sure Thank U Next had more than that but ok

[iHype.]

4 minutes ago, UNNAMI said:

please stop pretending that banning xmas songs will encourage artist to release their singles mid november and december. that won't happen.

 

they are not releasing not because they will fail at charts, they are not releasing because ACUTAL PEOPLE are listening to xmas songs and are making their own xmas songs or chosing those from spotify. yes if someone's favorite artist will release new single they may add it to xmas playlist or something BUT GENERAL PUBLIC is in xmas mode and are listening old xmas songs and nothing is gonna change that.

 

if you ban xmas songs we will have number one song in december with 100 points at 1.

Thank U Next (song) did just fine last year, with its first 2 months in November/December. It literally broke streaming records.

 

But now in the future an artist won't release songs the last 2 months because even if it does just fine, it'll still be competing with 30 Christmas songs everyone already traditionally spams. That's just the truth. TUN did amazing record breaking streaming numbers, yet even still, AIWFCIY snatched its streaming records on Spotify for example. 

 

Even if you release a smash in November/December it'll still be hard to compete.

7 minutes ago, slw84 said:

It’s funny streaming is the future they said.

we love double counting of songs and album units equivalent 

 

we love when our faves album bombs chart every album track for 1-2 weeks and send 

songs into worse peaks and recurrent status 

 

we love when artist get their just due (streaming boosts) after passing away and hit #1 or re peak 

 

but...but...but...Xmas songs charting for 3-5 weeks are problematic. It matters when jingle bells rock

This is a dumb logic because Holiday music has also been doing better in sales every year. There's like 20 Holiday songs on iTunes top 100 currently.

[moonlight!]

5 minutes ago, slw84 said:

They should keep the same energy for album bombs, surges after passings etc.

Idk why you keep comparing these things to holiday songs? People don’t have a problem with Christmas music charting. The problem is  when a large number of the EXACT same songs are charting for 4-5 weeks every year for literally the rest of time 

 

album bombs and an artist’s death are not comparable to what I described

[harwee]

1 hour ago, iHype. said:

There's most likely going to be 20+ songs on the chart by the final week of the Holidays. There was 16 old Holiday songs last year that charted.

 

And Holiday music gets stronger each year. In a few years it'll be even more at this time, and by the final week of the Holidays. 

 

Billboard is already 'breaking its own rules/agenda' by creating recurrent rules to let newer music chart, but in reality letting old music push new music to recurrent during this month.  I mean you're a Mariah fan, so obviously you just want to see her chart well which is understandable. But all these old classics just pushing off current hits and ruining their chart runs every year is completely dumb. 

 

But that's only for a week during the entire year, not a full month. So over-exaggerating the situation. Post is still sitting at the top and last year Ariana dominated December.

 

Historically, for that one or two weeks, the chart is dead anyway. Maybe the number of christmas songs will keep on increasing, maybe it will fluctuate. Maybe streaming will die and another takes over. We don't know cause listening behavior and market changes every 5 or so years, at which point they will revise it.

 

For right now, they are sticking to the correct formula: a chart that reflects what is popular. If in 5 years its all christmas songs, for just that one or two weeks, that's a verdict on the quality of new music.

 

But again, we're over-reacting on something that hasn't happened.

 

 

[iHype.]

1 minute ago, moonlight! said:

Idk why you keep comparing these things to holiday songs? People don’t have a problem with Christmas music charting. The problem is  when a large number of the EXACT same songs are charting for 4-5 weeks every year for literally the rest of time 

 

album bombs and an artist’s death are not comparable to what I described

The way you always have to explain everything 10 times to him chile 

[Death On Two Legs]

Who would have known X-Mas music dominating the Hot 100 one month out of the year would have people seething so badly.

[slw84]

9 minutes ago, Alpha Male said:

I'm fine with them ending Christmas music, but only after Mariah takes the #1. 

A happy compromise 

9 minutes ago, UNNAMI said:

please stop pretending that banning xmas songs will encourage artist to release their singles mid november and december. that won't happen.

 

they are not releasing not because they will fail at charts, they are not releasing because ACUTAL PEOPLE are listening to xmas songs and are making their own xmas songs or chosing those from spotify. yes if someone's favorite artist will release new single they may add it to xmas playlist or something BUT GENERAL PUBLIC is in xmas mode and are listening old xmas songs and nothing is gonna change that.

 

if you ban xmas songs we will have number one song in december with 100 points at 1.

True

 

 

[Armani?]

The Billboard Hot 100 is supposed to represent the top songs of the week in the US measuring streams, sales and radio airplay. Regardless of the type of music.

 

Imagine cutting off an entire type of songs because it's annoying or temporarily blocks newer artistsMultiple songs that should be in the top 10 the week of Christmas, discriminated to only the Holiday chart.

 

What is this?

[iHype.]

3 minutes ago, Armani? said:

The Billboard Hot 100 is supposed to represent the top songs of the week in the US measuring streams, sales and radio airplay. Regardless of the type of music.

 

Imagine cutting off an entire type of songs because it's annoying or temporarily blocks newer artistsMultiple songs that should be in the top 10 the week of Christmas, discriminated to the Holiday chart.

 

What is this?

It's tradition tied music, it is an exception.

 

Happy Birthday is the most known song in history, but nobody wants to see it chart 3000 consecutive weeks at #1 because someone has a birthday every day even if it technically is the most heard song. Obviously Billboard didn't think in mind about the exception of music tied synonymously to traditions when creating Hot 100.  

 

It is apples to oranges to compare them in the same sense to a normal song.

[slw84]

3 minutes ago, iHype. said:

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This is a dumb logic because Holiday music has also been doing better in sales every year. There's like 20 Holiday songs on iTunes top 100 currently.

And?

amazon has grown

streaming has grown

itunes and radio might have declined 

 

So so we are on with streaming growing every year and posting about it each time a thread is made but because xmas songs chart 4-5 weeks a year it’s a problem.

 

album tracks cluttering up the charts for 1-2 weeks and also counting for bb200 aren't problematic, huh  

2 minutes ago, moonlight! said:

Idk why you keep comparing these things to holiday songs? People don’t have a problem with Christmas music charting. The problem is  when a large number of the EXACT same songs are charting for 4-5 weeks every year for literally the rest of time 

 

album bombs and an artist’s death are not comparable to what I described

But what is the problem with it charting every year. There is no problem with that. 

 

I’d want Xmas classic my only wish this year to chart as it has over 100m streams and is played but like MANY hot 100 staple songs it will need a combination of:

consistent radio play, sales and streams 

 

if some Xmas songs aren’t big on all metrics they face the same issue as non Xmas songs which aren’t big on all metrics.

deal with it.

once Ariana’s Santa tell me becomes a juggernaut you’ll switch 

1 minute ago, iHype. said:

The way you always have to explain everything 10 times to him chile 

The passive digs are hilarious. And that posters point is easily countered 

[yuri]

6 minutes ago, iHype. said:

It's tradition tied music, it is an exception.

 

Happy Birthday is the most known song in history, but nobody wants to see it chart 3000 consecutive weeks at #1 because someone has a birthday every day even if it technically is the most heard song. Obviously Billboard didn't think in mind about the exception of music tied synonymously to traditions when creating Hot 100.  

 

It is apples to oranges to compare them in the same sense to a normal song.

Has Happy Birthday charted? How high?

[Glo]

They should change the rules to only a holiday chart after Mariah gets the #1 this year