Thuggin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Cryptique said: A good label and manager (like Scooter) will payola its way to the radio for several weeks no matter what and watch it grow with the audience.. and Bad Call Out Aside, Radio was hesitant to play it in the first place cause it ain't mainstream and trendy enough.. And about the Bad Call Out, yeah what do we expect from America's taste nowadays.. Shallow was/is well loved by international radios i wonder why.. oh maybe it's the urban wave that's why Ari is a sellout Why are y’all acting like any pop girl could just sell out to the urban wave and do well? If Gaga, Katy, Taylor, etc. tried to do it, it wouldn’t work. Ariana has had hip hop and R&B influences in her music since she debuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dussymob Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: Not everyone can do it. But let’s not kid ourselves. The hot 100s history is full of major acts that chased trends and changed sounds to keep up with the times, and id you need an example, I’ll start with the Bee Gees, What songs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi_valvi Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 6 hours ago, Cryptique said: A good label and manager (like Scooter) will payola its way to the radio for several weeks no matter what and watch it grow with the audience.. and Bad Call Out Aside, Radio was hesitant to play it in the first place cause it ain't mainstream and trendy enough.. And about the Bad Call Out, yeah what do we expect from America's taste nowadays.. Shallow was/is well loved by international radios i wonder why.. oh maybe it's the urban wave that's why Ari is a sellout Yeah radio was hesitant to play it initially but who can blame them. Shallow doesn't sound like a radio hit and the callouts confirmed that it's not what the radio audience wants. and the payola accusations are SO tired, like yeah radio jumps on Ariana's song but who can blame them. Her songs fit right into pop radio, she has routinely been well received by the radio audience and she's the current it girl. They'd be dumb not to use her. And the urban thing makes no sense when just last year Ariana saw great succes on pop radio with songs that aren't urban leaning - and so did many other artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sex with Rih Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/24/2019 at 10:28 AM, sakisfan16 said: well pete just wanted attention, don't put him in the same category with Mac.pete is fine now with his new girlfriend and he had mental problems before ariana.....ariana had a huge WW hit last year 'NTLTC' and she didn't mention her exes .....'7 rings' song has nothing to do with her love life and her exes and it's already a smash....people are just like her and support her music...nothing would have been different.she's just successful...so yes you are just jealous ‘Wearing a ring but ain’t gon be no mrs’ was definitely a tactless reference to her failed engagement with Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi_valvi Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 hours ago, ChartsFan said: And they only were top ten or so hits on the hot 100. Meanwhile her new urban tinged songs debut at #1. We're discussing pop radio's willingness to play certain songs, not Ariana's hot100 performance (which yes, has seen a big increase, but that's beside the point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 So yall think Jewels & Drugs wouldve been a hit? Cause yall out here just talking recklessly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDevilsAdvocate Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Thuggin said: Why are y’all acting like any pop girl could just sell out to the urban wave and do well? If Gaga, Katy, Taylor, etc. tried to do it, it wouldn’t work. Ariana has had hip hop and R&B influences in her music since she debuted. Yes but she was always branded as a pop star. If youre someone that doesn’t listen to her albums and only listen to her mainstream singles, she sounds like a pop star. Even with The Way and Side to Side, she still comes off as a pop star that works with hip hop acts as opposed to being a pop star with her own hip hop influences. Problem also didn’t establish hip hop influences. It sounded like a pop song featuring Iggy. i more than anyone else wants Ariana to establish a pure R&B brand not some sugar water version that she served on Sweetner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slw84 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 With jcoles new song and possible new songs in the next two weeks I’m thinking money’s chance for top 10 is a bust. i do think it can repeak but probably at 11/12. That is, unless the promo for the song is pushed correctly the first two weeks of February Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakisfan16 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, slw84 said: i do think it can repeak but probably at 11/12. That is, unless the promo for the song is pushed correctly the first two weeks of February so her new ''be careful'' and ''taki taki'' is coming for the peak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newrules Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: The song was put in 2013, not in hip hop friendly 2018/9 artpop was ahead of it's time lol.. Edited January 25, 2019 by newrules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) This was the estimated distribution of each component that measures overall popularity on Hot 100: # Song Sales Airplay Streaming 01 Without Me 14.62 30.89 54.48 02 Sunflower (Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse) 15.59 19.55 64.86 03 SICKO MODE 5.59 25.16 69.24 04 High Hopes 11.49 53.70 34.81 05 thank u, next 5.76 42.53 51.71 06 Happier 10.10 51.13 38.77 07 Girls Like You 5.20 47.73 47.07 08 Drip Too Hard 3.72 23.03 73.25 09 Wow. 11.84 18.62 69.54 10 ZEZE 3.75 30.48 65.77 Broadly, the Top 10 consists of: 9% Sales + 34% Airplay + 57% Streaming. Edited January 26, 2019 by Ger-55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holiest Dreams Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) On 1/24/2019 at 6:49 PM, KillingYourCareer said: Both WANEGOD and SIO debuted in the 70s before skyrocketing to #1 in their second week SIO debuted at #1 sweetheart Edited January 26, 2019 by Holiest Dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ger Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) How the competition looks like for this week (according to BuzzAngle and Mediabase): Song Sales Airplay Audio Streaming Video Streaming 7 rings 1 42 1 1 Without Me 3 2 4 5 Sunflower (Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse) 2 8 2 3 SICKO MODE 13 9 7 2 thank u, next 8 3 8 8 Edited January 26, 2019 by Ger-55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator Samson Posted January 26, 2019 ATRL Moderator Share Posted January 26, 2019 41 minutes ago, Ger-55 said: This was the estimated distribution of each component that measures overall popularity on Hot 100: # Song Sales Airplay Streaming 01 Without Me 14.62 30.89 54.48 02 Sunflower (Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse) 15.59 19.55 64.86 03 SICKO MODE 5.59 25.16 69.24 04 High Hopes 11.49 53.70 34.81 05 thank u, next 5.76 42.53 51.71 06 Happier 10.10 51.13 38.77 07 Girls Like You 5.20 47.73 47.07 08 Drip Too Hard 3.72 23.03 73.25 09 Wow. 11.84 18.62 69.54 10 ZEZE 3.75 30.48 65.77 Broadly, the Top 10 consists of: 9% Sales + 34% Airplay + 57% Streaming. 9% sales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 6 hours ago, ChartsFan said: The song was put in 2013, not in hip hop friendly 2018/9 Dark horse was released the same year and is one of the biggest hits of the decade...the point is moot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillingYourCareer Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Ger-55 said: This was the estimated distribution of each component that measures overall popularity on Hot 100: # Song Sales Airplay Streaming 01 Without Me 14.62 30.89 54.48 02 Sunflower (Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse) 15.59 19.55 64.86 03 SICKO MODE 5.59 25.16 69.24 04 High Hopes 11.49 53.70 34.81 05 thank u, next 5.76 42.53 51.71 06 Happier 10.10 51.13 38.77 07 Girls Like You 5.20 47.73 47.07 08 Drip Too Hard 3.72 23.03 73.25 09 Wow. 11.84 18.62 69.54 10 ZEZE 3.75 30.48 65.77 Broadly, the Top 10 consists of: 9% Sales + 34% Airplay + 57% Streaming. If Billboard starts eliminating freemium streams like half of Europe already does, it would be better. And it would expose playlist payola acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuko Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 18 hours ago, TheDevilsAdvocate said: Yes but she was always branded as a pop star. If youre someone that doesn’t listen to her albums and only listen to her mainstream singles, she sounds like a pop star. Even with The Way and Side to Side, she still comes off as a pop star that works with hip hop acts as opposed to being a pop star with her own hip hop influences. Problem also didn’t establish hip hop influences. It sounded like a pop song featuring Iggy. i more than anyone else wants Ariana to establish a pure R&B brand not some sugar water version that she served on Sweetner. Problem got to around #35 on urban radio at the time. A pop song by two white girls would get that high on urban if it had no hip hop influences at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dussymob Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 4 hours ago, KillingYourCareer said: If Billboard starts eliminating freemium streams like half of Europe already does, it would be better. And it would expose playlist payola acts. It would actually hurt you pop songs dumbass. Paid streams are Apple Music. Urban chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATRL Moderator Samson Posted January 26, 2019 ATRL Moderator Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, dussymob said: It would actually hurt you pop songs dumbass. Paid streams are Apple Music. Urban chart. Hmmmm don't forget about Amazon Music's increasing market share; Amazon Music is mostly pop with the occasional country and rock songs. and HDD said in may 2018 that spotify is 66% paid streaming, and spotify is a hip-hop and pop mix. if anything, nothing remarkable in terms of genre make-up would happen we can already guess this because of the actual re-weight that happened in june last year. the only genre that saw a change was country music since its strongest base is Amazon Music, which is 100% paid. Edited January 26, 2019 by eaucitronnée Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylenaStan Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 J.Cole already has massive numbers on Spotify but i wonder how high his AM numbers are considering hip-hop artists do even better there if he has a video ready he should just release it today/tomorrow if it even goes semi-viral i believe he has a chance at #1. I know hes usually very frontloaded but Middle Child sounds a lot more gp-friendly than his usual stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuko Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 1 hour ago, ChartsFan said: And paid subs don’t abuse playlists? Only freemium users do? Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Spotify suscribers might even use the the playlists more than the free users. I don't see why there would be much difference in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 14 hours ago, ChartsFan said: And it still doesn’t sound like today’s hip hop. So you think Gaga or Katy woukdve made 7 Rings a hit all around the world? We saw how This is How We Do was treated. Let's not act like Beyonce didn't go top 20 with 7/11 Again...the point is moot. Ariana started her mainstream debut as an artist making R&B music. Problem itself was pop, but had traces of the genre She's been on Big Sean's album, 2 of Nicki's, and Cashmere Cat. Majority of the songs she's featured on are songs with the traces. Either way, it still takes a certain artist to be able to make the two recent songs she put out a hit and the only person that couldve done it with 7 Rings is Rihanna 3 hours ago, dussymob said: It would actually hurt you pop songs dumbass. Paid streams are Apple Music. Urban chart. points were made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umich Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 11 hours ago, KillingYourCareer said: If Billboard starts eliminating freemium streams like half of Europe already does, it would be better. And it would expose playlist payola acts. It would probably start to mirror the Apple Music and Amazon charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armani? Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Why is Thotiana blowing up now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan_22 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, Armani? said: Why is Thotiana blowing up now? He dropped a remix yesterday w/ YG. Also the dance is kinda going viral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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