Rawr Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 41 minutes ago, Fruity said: I'm sorry but I'd like to know how many times before this in the last decade a song has received 4 (or more) consecutive negative updates on a format and then within a week was getting +3m audience updates. Cause I'd take a confident punt at 0. i'd like to know this as well
RobynYoBank Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fruity said: I'm sorry but I'd like to know how many times before this in the last decade a song has received 4 (or more) consecutive negative updates on a format and then within a week was getting +3m audience updates. Cause I'd take a confident punt at 0. Strip That Down, Castle On The Hill, 1-800-273-8255, There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back, Slow Hands all followed similar patterns. Edited October 12, 2017 by RobynYoBank
Blue Honeymoon Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RobynYoBank said: Strip That Down, Castle On The Hill, 1-800-273-8255, There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back, Slow Hands all behaved similarly. No. None of these songs received a 3+ million and almost 400 spins on the same day in just pop airplay. Also, none of these songs received negative updates of almost -1M audience before they reached the 90 m in pop airplay (Logic hasn't even reached that point). Castle On The Hill wasn't even a radio smash, it peaked at 63 m audience on pop radio and it was Ed Sheeran's second single following the biggest song of the year. Edited October 12, 2017 by Blue Honeymoon
RobynYoBank Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said: No. None of these songs received a 3+ million and almost 400 spins on the same day in just pop airplay. Also, none of these songs received negative updates of almost -1M audience before they reached the 90 m in pop airplay (Logic hasn't even reached that point). Slow Hands literally spent 20 days at #15 with +/- 50 spins +/- 0.5 audience before rising to the top of the chart: Random selection of updates: NIALL HORAN Slow Hands 15472 +248 +1.675 NIALL HORAN Slow Hands 16127 +164 +2.044 NIALL HORAN Slow Hands 16591 +249 +1.644 The three songs that were above Taylor on radio have almost -4000 bullet. Edited October 12, 2017 by RobynYoBank
Blue Honeymoon Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RobynYoBank said: Slow Hands literally spent 20 days at #15 with +/- 50 spins +/- 0.5 audience before abruptly shooting to #1 with updates like this: NIALL HORAN Slow Hands 15472 +248 +1.675 No, it didn't. I've just checked Slow Hands airplay history on Kworb and the song was receiving irregular updates since the beginning. It never decreased before reaching 90 M on pop airplay, and never got an update of 2.9 million on one single day. It took Slow Hands almost 4 months to reach #1 on pop radio. Edited October 12, 2017 by Blue Honeymoon
RobynYoBank Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said: No, it didn't. I'vechust checked Slow Hands airplay history on Kworb and the song was receiving irregular updates since the beginning. It never decreased before reaching 90 M on pop airplay, and never got an update of 2.9 million on one single day. It took slow hands almost 4 months to reach #1 on pop radio. "k" 8 = NIALL HORAN Slow Hands 10759 -0.092 61.295 Edited October 12, 2017 by RobynYoBank
Blue Honeymoon Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 1 minute ago, RobynYoBank said: "k" 8 = NIALL HORAN Slow Hands 10759 -0.092 61.295 I dind't see that decrease, but even then it was less than a 0.1 million decrease. And Niall received +72 spins on that day, so even if the audience was negative, the spins kept increasing, which is not comparable to Taylor having both negative spins and audience for three/four consecutive days and almost decreasing -1M in the last negative update, and the next day suddenly started having +300/400 spins and 2+ million audience .
RobynYoBank Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said: I dind't see that decrease, but even then it was less than a 0.1 million decrease. And Niall received +72 spins on that day, so even if the audience was negative, the spins kept increasing, which is not comparable to Taylor having both negative spins and audience for three/four consecutive days and almost decreasing -1M in the last negative update, and the next day suddenly started having +300/400 spins and 2+ million audience . It’s pretty comparable. Taylor was stalled for 2 weeks with minuscule audience gains and audience decreases while gaining +50 or so spins. She had tree days of actual spin/AI drops but they’re weren’t even very large: -0.5 on pop was the largest. When she started gaining again, she didn’t even jump straight to +300 spins, she barely gained any spins but got added to power rotation at larger stations. Frankly, it’s a lot of mental gymnastics. I warned y’all three weeks ago either in this thread or iTunes after it started stalling that it was still going to go #1. Songs stall all the time. Edited October 12, 2017 by RobynYoBank
RobynYoBank Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) Don’t get me wrong: Big Machine is known for throwing around a lot of clout on country radio. But really, the pop run isn’t all that strange. Edited October 12, 2017 by RobynYoBank
E•MO•TION Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 Oh wow. This might be the biggest case I’ve ever seen of ATRL using their oh so loved Payola excuse as they at at their computer screens NEVER being a part of the industry but still payola1!!11!1!1!1!1!ing away just because an artist has them pressed. Funny thing is this use of “oh but payola” (which is ILLEGAL in the first place) changes on the daily based on who is supposively doing it and how their fav is performing compared to them. It’s sad!
opruh Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 Another day another massive radio update coming, are you ready for it?
Mediabase Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) On Z100 in New York, the country's most listened pop station the song exploded from no24 to heavy rotation. From 28 spins to 105. LOL! Very organic! Edited October 12, 2017 by Mediabase
Fruity Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, RobynYoBank said: Frankly, it’s a lot of mental gymnastics. I warned y’all three weeks ago either in this thread or iTunes after it started stalling that it was still going to go #1. Songs stall all the time. Firstly, the timescale of this "stall" and then sudden "unstall" is unprecedented, like one of the most ridiculous things we've ever seen. It is not typical in any way, since a genuine stall generally takes like a few weeks. This happened in literally a few days. And secondly the magnitude of it, from consistently negative to +3M, is also unprecedented Moreover, you know very well as a huge fan of Taylor, that her lead single is not comparable to Liam Payne and Niall Those artists stall because they have very little clout on pop radio and it takes a while for radio programmers to decide whether putting the song into high rotation is something they want to do. However Taylor's lead single following one of the biggest eras on pop radio of ALL time should not be randomly stalling like that (in fact negative for 4 days) and then BURSTING into life as if it's release day again It does not fit the mould whatsoever. Hyped singles form huge pop artists always, without fail, burst to their peak extremely quickly without some random hesitation in the middle.
RobynYoBank Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Fruity said: Firstly, the timescale of this "stall" and then sudden "unstall" is unprecedented, like one of the most ridiculous things we've ever seen. It is not typical in any way, since a genuine stall generally takes like a few weeks. This happened in literally a few days. And secondly the magnitude of it, from consistently negative to +3M, is also unprecedented Moreover, you know very well as a huge fan of Taylor, that her lead single is not comparable to Liam Payne and Niall Those artists stall because they have very little clout on pop radio and it takes a while for radio programmers to decide whether putting the song into high rotation is something they want to do. However Taylor's lead single following one of the biggest eras on pop radio of ALL time should not be randomly stalling like that (in fact negative for 4 days) and then BURSTING into life as if it's release day again It does not fit the mould whatsoever. Hyped singles form huge pop artists always, without fail, burst to their peak extremely quickly without some random hesitation in the middle. I just posted on the previous page a stall unstall timescale that was the same as Taylor’s. It’s really not that strange. The change in bullet of the 3 songs above LWYMMD from last week to this week is -3000. It is rare for all three of the top songs to free fall at the same time, but hardly mind blowing. Edited October 12, 2017 by RobynYoBank
Headlock Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Mediabase said: On Z100 in New York, the country's most listened pop station the song exploded from no24 to heavy rotation. From 28 spins to 105. LOL! Very organic! Not your username being Mediabase and you seemingly not knowing what power rotation is There's a whole ATRL thread devoted to the subject, educate yourself, Mediabase: Edited October 12, 2017 by Headlock
Fruity Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, RobynYoBank said: I just posted on the previous page a stall unstall timescale that was the same as Taylor’s. It’s really not that strange. The change in bullet of the 3 songs above LWYMMD from last week to this week is -3000. It is rare for all three of the Top songs to free fall at the same time, but hardly mind blowing. You posted a song stalling, sure, but I don't see the "same magnitude or time scale" part unfortunately. And the second part of my post still stands because Niall Horan's debut is not exactly a comparable situation. Did we see this stalling with Adele's Hello or Katy Perry's Roar (comparable lead singles)? Absolutely not. Anywayz Can't quite believe this thread has seen almost 10 pages of debate about Tayola Swift I guess the Swifties can stay in denial!
RobynYoBank Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Fruity said: You posted a song stalling, sure, but I don't see the "same magnitude or time scale" part unfortunately. And the second part of my post still stands because Niall Horan's debut is not exactly a comparable situation. Did we see this stalling with Adele's Hello or Katy Perry's Roar (comparable lead singles)? Absolutely not. Anywayz Can't quite believe this thread has seen almost 10 pages of debate about Tayola Swift I guess the Swifties can stay in denial! Eh, fair enough but I’m not the one shocked by this ordeal. I predicted the rise like two weeks ago. Edited October 12, 2017 by RobynYoBank
QueenofCopyPaste Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, RobynYoBank said: Eh, fair enough but I’m not the one shocked by this ordeal. I predicted the rise like two weeks ago. Receipts???
Kworb Posted October 12, 2017 Author Posted October 12, 2017 56 minutes ago, RobynYoBank said: I just posted on the previous page a stall unstall timescale that was the same as Taylor’s. It’s really not that strange. The change in bullet of the 3 songs above LWYMMD from last week to this week is -3000. It is rare for all three of the top songs to free fall at the same time, but hardly mind blowing. Exactly, it's just the perfect storm for this kind of situation where you have only one relatively new song at the top (that got there very quickly) while everyone else is crashing down. I don't know why everyone finds it so weird. The song has been top 5 on the Hot 100 since its release based on sales and streams. Radio has no reason to dump it.
QueenofCopyPaste Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 12 minutes ago, Kworb said: Exactly, it's just the perfect storm for this kind of situation where you have only one relatively new song at the top (that got there very quickly) while everyone else is crashing down. I don't know why everyone finds it so weird. The song has been top 5 of the Hot 100 since its release based on sales and streams. Radio has no reason to dump it. Streams for once are dwindling week per week.
Kworb Posted October 12, 2017 Author Posted October 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, ATRL's WP Magnet said: Streams for once are dwindling week per week. Doesn't matter. The song has already proven itself. And it's not like the other candidates for power rotation (PTM, Demi, Logic) are doing much better (if at all). Something has to be the next #1. Like I said before, it would be much weirder if it had actually stalled.
H-I-M Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 When's the rolling for the natural hit supposed to kick in after the recent organic boost?
DELE2125 Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Headlock said: Oh my god, why are so pressed by Taylor 24/7? I was offering a POSSIBLE explanation as to why she's not on Pop callouts yet, which everyone here, INCLUDING SWIFTIES, agrees is strange. You and the other pressed souls in here are the ones flinging around conspiracy theories like it's no tomorrow, when we're talking about callout scores lmao. It's not a big deal Again, I will reiterate, because you completely ignored the point I was trying to make, WHAT would Taylor gain by deliberately keeping LWYMMD off of the Pop callouts list? To spite you and everyone else pressed like a panini on this forum? Why would her/her team reveal the call-out scores (knowing they're atrocious)? They are holding them back, so the song can keep increasing on radio, and then when the call-outs are finally released (and the song is already #1 on Pop Radio), it will start to drop and they'll say its because of "bad call-out scores" when they've been like that for a longer time, just that they hadn't disclosed them, so her rise wouldn't seem so fickle. In b4 this is tagged with "Conspiracy Theories!!!111!!!!11" posts Edited October 12, 2017 by DELE2125
freddisier Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 32 minutes ago, DELE2125 said: Why would her/her team reveal the call-out scores (knowing they're atrocious)? They are holding them back, so the song can keep increasing on radio, and then when the call-outs are finally released (and the song is already #1 on Pop Radio), it will start to drop and they'll say its because of "bad call-out scores" when they've been like that for a longer time, just that they hadn't disclosed them, so her rise wouldn't seem so fickle. In b4 this is tagged with "Conspiracy Theories!!!111!!!!11" posts drunk people never admit they r drunk conspiracy theorist never say what they spill are just conspiracies. just saying, but your posts are drenched with hate and spite that you have for Taylor. I mean, i hate certain artists before but this level of hate and obsession with dragging, discrediting, criticising someone is just ... beyond what I can ever fathom. OT: perched for today update. why hasn't it come out yet?????
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