EyesOnMe Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Quote Dear Mr. President Amato: We all know the Bible has two assets: its charts and its cover. Other than that, it's basically a throwaway that nobody cares about. So why are you headed down a path to devaluating your most important asset? Increasing the influence of YouTube on your charts would do just that. Neither Billboard nor YouTube is in the music business. YouTube says music is a small part of its ecosystem and claims it pays a reasonable price for its use, which is patently absurd. To see you teaming up with such an entity to make decisions that will be hugely counterproductive for the music business is dismaying, to say the least. Making YouTube more important to artists by increasing its chart influence is simply reckless—not merely because they don’t pay, but also because they say 80% of their views come from what they push to their users. Which begs the question: Do you really want Lyor and his team to have that kind of marketing pull? Do you want to give them that kind of firepower? Currently the Hot 100 is determined by dividing sales by six, BDS “audience impressions” by 7k, on-demand streaming by 1.25k and radio streaming by 2.5k. A download now equals 1,167 audience impressions, 208 on-demand streams and 416 radio streams. That’s tortuous enough; now, inexplicably, the Bible team is apparently considering giving YouTube more weight as it recalculates how to weigh paid and ad-supported streams, radio and sales. Why not just dump the Tube, given that they are unregulated, easily manipulated, open to massive fraud and a major bone of contention to the music business? Isn’t it time to be part of the solution? Give your music partners some help in their struggle against LyorTube. Why further sink the reputation of your business, which is already widely seen as a probem? You have the opportunity here to listen to your constituents and be the good guy. Why not take it? The alternative, for the Bible, is grim. The industry is now seriously considering making its own chart, as is done in the U.K., and getting out of business with you. Tick tock. http://www1.hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=308806 Edited October 11, 2017 by EyesOnMe
Adelephant 25 Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 why are they dragging the lords good book "The Bible" in a chart discussion?
Siren Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Quote The industry is now seriously considering making its own chart, as is done in the U.K., and getting out of business with you. Tick tock. #BillboardIsOverParty
Arthoe Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 I wonder who they were talking about when mentioning manipulated YouTube views.
Kayhan Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, Arthoe said: I wonder who they were talking about when mentioning manipulated YouTube views. i know right i wish they werent so secretive about everything
Trent W Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Billboard is a mess outside the charts, but honestly if the music industry made it’s own it would be a rigged mess. At least Billboard keeps things more fair in their charts.
BOAZ Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 wait i never thought about the fact that BB is just a third part and that the national recording industry doesn't have an official chart
Kim Kardashian Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Quote The alternative, for the Bible, is grim. The industry is now seriously considering making its own chart, as is done in the U.K., and getting out of business with you. Tick tock. I actually hope this doesn't happen. Thats the reason the UK chart have this new dumb rule about dividing streams when a song has been on the chart for so long. It's to increase mobility so more songs get number 1 and the labels can use that for their artists. It's no longer a measure of the most popular song.
DELE2125 Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Arthoe said: I wonder who they were talking about when mentioning manipulated YouTube views. Mmmmm... I wonder this too And seems a little suspicious to increase Youtube now in Q4, I wonder who could that be Anyways... The dragfest
infrared Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 songs are forever rotting on the charts and artist eras are cut in half. Labels literally don't invest in **** anymore.
infrared Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, Green said: I didn't know HDD is against youtube HDD is against chart corruption by big labels. Think of it was the mom and pop shop of charts.
Phuccery, Inc. Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, EyesOnMe said: they say 80% of their views come from what is pushed to their users bet I can single out a few culprits Edited October 10, 2017 by Phuccery, Inc.
Little Dark Age Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 I agree YT should not be added to the BB200. I think it might be ok to keep it as part of the Hot 100 though. The only positive (?) to completely cutting it out is that chart runs would be much shorter, and there would be more singles from each release
lemonade. Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 hmm, ngl a new chart would be very interesting
Communion Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Green said: I didn't know HDD is against youtube 4 minutes ago, infrared said: HDD is against chart corruption by big labels. Think of it was the mom and pop shop of charts. HDD is just against anything Billboard does.
Green Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Quote not merely because they don’t pay, but also because they say 80% of their views come from what they push to their users But what about Spotify's playlists and Today's Top Hits
dperkins Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 The whole chart methodology is a mess right now.
dperkins Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) I do think it would be great for Spotify to actually have playlists based on charts. Like "Most Played On Radio" or "Top Digital Sellers" or something along those lines. It would help push songs that may have a hard time getting streams or help artists who are having a difficult time transitioning to the streaming era. They should also have a promoted playlist based on the Hot 100 too. Edited October 10, 2017 by dperkins
Communion Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, dperkins said: I do think it would be great for Spotify to actually have playlists based on charts. Like "Most Played On Radio" or "Top Digital Sellers" or something along those lines. It would help push songs that may have a hard time getting streams or help artists who are having a difficult time transitioning to the streaming era. They should also have a promoted playlist based on the Hot 100 too. This already exists.
dperkins Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Just now, Communion said: This already exists. I know there's a playlist, but is it promoted? Cause I had to search for it. I didn't see it anywhere when just scrolling through playlists on Spotify. And if it is promoted, then clearly no one cares about the Hot 100 if TTH has almost 9x the followers. Lol
Communion Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, dperkins said: I know there's a playlist, but is it promoted? Cause I had to search for it. I didn't see it anywhere when just scrolling through playlists on Spotify. And if it is promoted, then clearly no one cares about the Hot 100 if TTH has almost 9x the followers. Lol It has 1.8M followers. It's similar to a lot of promoted playlists. On the landing page of the desktop client right now: 17.4M - Today’s Top Hits 6.1m - Viva Latio Top 50 (TTH Latino) 4.5M - mint 1.39M - Most Necessary 1.29M - Pop Chillout 927k - Chillin’ On A Dirt Road 775k - Top Christian 760k - Pop Punk Powerhuse 592k - Peace 592k - Folk Pop 145k - Wine & Dine 7k - This Is Us Edited October 11, 2017 by Communion
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