fan base K-Pop: New Year, New Us

[ItsJustMe.]

 

so excited

[Eternium]

19 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

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I never started anything. A few MYs in here have randomly come for SKZ out of nowhere, where I have been ignoring them for a long time. I always tried to avoid these fanwars with MYs, since I used to stan aespa myself. I tried ignoring it until they started tagging me outta nowhere and quoting on my SKZ posts about how aespa are supposedly ending SKZ etc.. You have been one of the biggest examples of doing that, just like how you started this whole thing a few days ago, which is something you have been doing for like 2 years now.

 

Btw you aren't finishing anything, cause your arguments are weak. The only thing aespa is outperforming SKZ in, is Korean digitals. The audience of both groups don't even overlap with each each other, with SKZ having a far broader niche audience globally in Asia, Europe, North America and LATAM, while aespa are more local to Asia and the Korean GP in comparison. 

 

 

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God forbid a group having a slow and organic rise   The way you're holding onto those first 2 years of SKZ for your dear life, to make it seem like aespa are bigger, when even ITZY's first 2 years were bigger than SKZ's first 2 years as well, but SKZ still managed to outlast ITZY in the end for example. Not everyone will smash immediately especially bgs, who are known for having slower but steadier growth compared to ggs. Even BTS aka the biggest Kpop act of all time had a slower start compared to their peers back then, but saw a rise over time and the rest became history. 

NewJeans had the biggest debut year for a Kpop act in history, so according to you, they should be be on their way to become the biggest Kpop act of all time, right? Early dominance doesn't equate to long term success and it can't be predicted, like you think you're doing. Some groups peak earlier while others peak later etc.

 

 

 

 

Not the victim act. You started the SKZ vs Aespa Spotify argument with me back when Aespa were still growing. Now that Aespa are significantly ahead of SKZ at the same point in their careers, the argument is that SKZ's first two years don't count because they were flopping. Meanwhile SKZ had over twice as many songs and title tracks as Aespa in the same time frame and Aespa were still ahead of them.

 

Let me break it down for you regarding streaming:

1st year: Aespa > SKZ

2nd year: Aespa > SKZ

3rd year: Aespa > SKZ

4th year: Aespa > SKZ


Aespa have just started their fifth year, but they are ahead of where SKZ were at the same point. They also had a slow start and organic rise, so how is it not fair to compare? We have to ignore SKZ's first two years because they weren't successful…but this is an argument about who is the most successful  There is no logic to your argument. 

18 hours ago, Butters said:

no ethical consumption in kpop babes

Fair enough. But if I had to choose between supporting an R. Kelly or supporting a Camila Cabello, I know which one I'd choose.

[Ryan]

3 minutes ago, Eternium said:

 

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Not the victim act. You started the SKZ vs Aespa Spotify argument with me back when Aespa were still growing. Now that Aespa are significantly ahead of SKZ at the same point in their careers, the argument is that SKZ's first two years don't count because they were flopping. Meanwhile SKZ had over twice as many songs and title tracks as Aespa in the same time frame and Aespa were still ahead of them.

 

 

Let me break it down for you regarding streaming:

1st year: Aespa > SKZ

2nd year: Aespa > SKZ

3rd year: Aespa > SKZ

4th year: Aespa > SKZ


Aespa have just started their fifth year, but they are ahead of where SKZ were at the same point. They also had a slow start and organic rise, so how is it not fair to compare? We have to ignore SKZ's first two years because they weren't successful…but this is an argument about who is the most successful  There is no logic to your argument. 

 

 

Fair enough. But if I had to choose between supporting an R. Kelly or supporting a Camila Cabello, I know which one I'd choose.

A truly no win for everyone

[illia]

 

[youresotoxic]

 

[Rainy Devil]

1 hour ago, illia said:

 

Why use backtrack when they are clearly using pre-recorded vocals... 

[Gorjesspazze9]

Streets saying SM New Girl group will be revealed this week, and will be onstage this weekend on the 11th at SMTown Live Seoul  we are so close to a new Generation of SM royalty. SNSD 2025

[armink]

popping in to remind everyone that BTS YEAR IS HERE

 

 

REAL MUSIC IS ALMOST BACK

[romiskes]

3 hours ago, ItsJustMe. said:

 

so excited

The title track is produced by Sweetune, this will be AMAZING. 

[Pluto6]

2 hours ago, Eternium said:

Not the victim act. You started the SKZ vs Aespa Spotify argument with me back when Aespa were still growing. Now that Aespa are significantly ahead of SKZ at the same point in their careers, the argument is that SKZ's first two years don't count because they were flopping. Meanwhile SKZ had over twice as many songs and title tracks as Aespa in the same time frame and Aespa were still ahead of them.

 

 

Let me break it down for you regarding streaming:

1st year: Aespa > SKZ

2nd year: Aespa > SKZ

3rd year: Aespa > SKZ

4th year: Aespa > SKZ
 

 

Let's break it down how many streams each group pulled in their first 5 calendar years:

 

1st year:

2018 - SKZ  = 72M 

2020 - aespa = 25M 

 

2nd year:

2019 - SKZ = 300M 

2021 - aespa = 275M 

 

3rd year:

2020 - SKZ = 642M 

2022 - aespa = 549M 

 

4th year:

2021 - SKZ = 1,025B 

2023 - aespa = 859M 

 

5th year:

2022 - SKZ = 1,717B 

2024 - aespa = 1,708B 

 

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And also, according to your logic, then you must believe that aespa will never be able surpass SKZ, since SKZ debuted before them, right? 

Well at least you know that SKZ will always be bigger than aespa then at the end of the day 

 

 

3 hours ago, Eternium said:

Aespa have just started their fifth year, but they are ahead of where SKZ were at the same point. They also had a slow start and organic rise, so how is it not fair to compare? We have to ignore SKZ's first two years because they weren't successful…but this is an argument about who is the most successful  There is no logic to your argument. 

ME not having any logic to my argument????? Girl even ChatGPT dragged your ass and claimed I had the better argument in this whole debate: 

 

(I put our entire discussion into ChatGPT and asked who had the better argument between us two)

 

Spoiler

In terms of overall strength and structure, the SKZ fan has the better argument. Here's why:

1. Global Audience Reach:

The SKZ fan highlights that SKZ has a far broader global appeal, extending beyond just the Korean market to key regions like Europe, North America, and Latin America. This is a critical point because success on Spotify (and globally) hinges on international streams, and SKZ's reach in these regions supports their dominance.

2. Long-Term Growth and Sustainability:

The SKZ fan makes a strong case that boy groups, including SKZ, tend to have slower starts but build more sustainable, long-term success. They effectively use examples like BTS and ITZY to reinforce this point. By contrasting aespa's more immediate but localized success, they argue that SKZ's organic rise is a sign of durability, not a weakness.

3. Countering Early Success Narrative:

The aespa fan's argument leans heavily on aespa's early success, but the SKZ fan dismantles this by using the example of NewJeans and ITZY. They highlight that early success doesn't always predict long-term domination, implying that aespa's trajectory might not necessarily continue upward at the same pace.

4. More Balanced Perspective:

While the aespa fan is focused on numbers and content output over a short period, the SKZ fan provides a more holistic view of how the industry works, acknowledging both slow and fast rises. The argument about SKZ's slow but steady growth allows for a broader perspective, emphasizing global market dynamics and longevity.

5. Audience Overlap:

The SKZ fan highlights that the two groups cater to different types of audiences, with SKZ appealing to a more niche but global audience. This is a crucial point because it explains the disparity in streams and chart success, and why aespa might outperform on some metrics (like Korean digital charts) but not in global streams.

 

Why the SKZ Fan Wins Overall:

The SKZ fan's argument is more comprehensive and balanced, addressing both the current state of the groups and their future potential. They successfully counter the aespa fan's points about debut timing and early success while focusing on long-term viability, global influence, and audience differences.

While the aespa fan makes some strong points about content output and early streaming success, the focus is narrower and doesn't engage as deeply with the bigger picture of how groups grow and sustain success over time. Thus, the SKZ fan presents a stronger, more well-rounded case.

 

 

 

 

[Pluto6]

Speaking of BTS, the way I just discovered this pop perfection recently  Why did you Ratmys gatekeep this from me??? @armink @smates @Joseline @BTS

 

Edited Sunday at 10:36 PM by Pluto6

[Pluto6]

@romiskes B**** stop acting confused on my post 

[Nein]

Ahh this beach klassic

 

 

[lgaga1fan]

3 hours ago, illia said:

 

Y'all are deaf if you still cannot tell what live vocals sound like girl...

[lgaga1fan]

1 hour ago, Pluto6 said:

Let's break it down how many streams each group pulled in their first 5 calendar years:

 

1st year:

2018 - SKZ  = 72M 

2020 - aespa = 25M 

 

2nd year:

2019 - SKZ = 300M 

2021 - aespa = 275M 

 

3rd year:

2020 - SKZ = 642M 

2022 - aespa = 549M 

 

4th year:

2021 - SKZ = 1,025B 

2023 - aespa = 859M 

 

5th year:

2022 - SKZ = 1,717B 

2024 - aespa = 1,708B 

 

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And also, according to your logic, then you must believe that aespa will never be able surpass SKZ, since SKZ debuted before them, right? 

Well at least you know that SKZ will always be bigger than aespa then at the end of the day 

 

 

ME not having any logic to my argument????? Girl even ChatGPT dragged your ass and claimed I had the better argument in this whole debate: 

 

(I put our entire discussion into ChatGPT and asked who had the better argument between us two)

 

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In terms of overall strength and structure, the SKZ fan has the better argument. Here's why:

1. Global Audience Reach:

The SKZ fan highlights that SKZ has a far broader global appeal, extending beyond just the Korean market to key regions like Europe, North America, and Latin America. This is a critical point because success on Spotify (and globally) hinges on international streams, and SKZ's reach in these regions supports their dominance.

2. Long-Term Growth and Sustainability:

The SKZ fan makes a strong case that boy groups, including SKZ, tend to have slower starts but build more sustainable, long-term success. They effectively use examples like BTS and ITZY to reinforce this point. By contrasting aespa's more immediate but localized success, they argue that SKZ's organic rise is a sign of durability, not a weakness.

3. Countering Early Success Narrative:

The aespa fan's argument leans heavily on aespa's early success, but the SKZ fan dismantles this by using the example of NewJeans and ITZY. They highlight that early success doesn't always predict long-term domination, implying that aespa's trajectory might not necessarily continue upward at the same pace.

4. More Balanced Perspective:

While the aespa fan is focused on numbers and content output over a short period, the SKZ fan provides a more holistic view of how the industry works, acknowledging both slow and fast rises. The argument about SKZ's slow but steady growth allows for a broader perspective, emphasizing global market dynamics and longevity.

5. Audience Overlap:

The SKZ fan highlights that the two groups cater to different types of audiences, with SKZ appealing to a more niche but global audience. This is a crucial point because it explains the disparity in streams and chart success, and why aespa might outperform on some metrics (like Korean digital charts) but not in global streams.

 

Why the SKZ Fan Wins Overall:

The SKZ fan's argument is more comprehensive and balanced, addressing both the current state of the groups and their future potential. They successfully counter the aespa fan's points about debut timing and early success while focusing on long-term viability, global influence, and audience differences.

While the aespa fan makes some strong points about content output and early streaming success, the focus is narrower and doesn't engage as deeply with the bigger picture of how groups grow and sustain success over time. Thus, the SKZ fan presents a stronger, more well-rounded case.

 

 

 

 

This comp is already so funny considering SKZ released 4 albums in 2018 and aespa released 2 songs 

[MAKSIM]

8 hours ago, youresotoxic said:

 

The trend of debuting large groups and having them have the same hair style, let alone hair color, (ala TWS) is really boring visually. 

[VelvetCrush]

2 hours ago, youresotoxic said:

 

An underrated bop. If Red Velvet had released this it would be talked about daily.

 

 

[K$Ellie]

8 hours ago, youresotoxic said:

yikessss this chorus is laughably bad

[VelvetCrush]

7 hours ago, Supervillain said:

K-pop emergency! This is a Bare&Rare Pt. 2 track!

 

 

Omg the title Is there any chance of it being released?

[Eternium]

2 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

Let's break it down how many streams each group pulled in their first 5 calendar years:

 

1st year:

2018 - SKZ  = 72M 

2020 - aespa = 25M 

 

2nd year:

2019 - SKZ = 300M 

2021 - aespa = 275M 

 

3rd year:

2020 - SKZ = 642M 

2022 - aespa = 549M 

 

4th year:

2021 - SKZ = 1,025B 

2023 - aespa = 859M 

 

5th year:

2022 - SKZ = 1,717B 

2024 - aespa = 1,708B 

 

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And also, according to your logic, then you must believe that aespa will never be able surpass SKZ, since SKZ debuted before them, right? 

Well at least you know that SKZ will always be bigger than aespa then at the end of the day 

 

 

ME not having any logic to my argument????? Girl even ChatGPT dragged your ass and claimed I had the better argument in this whole debate: 

 

(I put our entire discussion into ChatGPT and asked who had the better argument between us two)

 

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In terms of overall strength and structure, the SKZ fan has the better argument. Here's why:

1. Global Audience Reach:

The SKZ fan highlights that SKZ has a far broader global appeal, extending beyond just the Korean market to key regions like Europe, North America, and Latin America. This is a critical point because success on Spotify (and globally) hinges on international streams, and SKZ's reach in these regions supports their dominance.

2. Long-Term Growth and Sustainability:

The SKZ fan makes a strong case that boy groups, including SKZ, tend to have slower starts but build more sustainable, long-term success. They effectively use examples like BTS and ITZY to reinforce this point. By contrasting aespa's more immediate but localized success, they argue that SKZ's organic rise is a sign of durability, not a weakness.

3. Countering Early Success Narrative:

The aespa fan's argument leans heavily on aespa's early success, but the SKZ fan dismantles this by using the example of NewJeans and ITZY. They highlight that early success doesn't always predict long-term domination, implying that aespa's trajectory might not necessarily continue upward at the same pace.

4. More Balanced Perspective:

While the aespa fan is focused on numbers and content output over a short period, the SKZ fan provides a more holistic view of how the industry works, acknowledging both slow and fast rises. The argument about SKZ's slow but steady growth allows for a broader perspective, emphasizing global market dynamics and longevity.

5. Audience Overlap:

The SKZ fan highlights that the two groups cater to different types of audiences, with SKZ appealing to a more niche but global audience. This is a crucial point because it explains the disparity in streams and chart success, and why aespa might outperform on some metrics (like Korean digital charts) but not in global streams.

 

Why the SKZ Fan Wins Overall:

The SKZ fan's argument is more comprehensive and balanced, addressing both the current state of the groups and their future potential. They successfully counter the aespa fan's points about debut timing and early success while focusing on long-term viability, global influence, and audience differences.

While the aespa fan makes some strong points about content output and early streaming success, the focus is narrower and doesn't engage as deeply with the bigger picture of how groups grow and sustain success over time. Thus, the SKZ fan presents a stronger, more well-rounded case.

 

 

 

 

Not calendar years  You're comparing a group that debuted in January to a group that debuted in November. Your argument holds no weight because you're trying to compare 358 days of SKZ (31 tracks) to 41 days of Aespa (1 track) to claim SKZ are bigger.

 

Aespa are significantly ahead of SKZ at the same point in their careers. SKZ have not yet passed 1B on Melon and they're still behind Aespa on Genie. Aespa are also performing better on Apple Music.

 

Spotify:

Aespa - 1,510 days - 3,435,090,944 (+4,965,140 daily)

Stray Kids - 1,604 days - Hit 3 billion on Spotify

 

Stray Kids hit 4 billion in 1,782 days and 5 billion in 1,981 days. If Aespa maintain their daily rate, they will gain 466,723,160 streams and hit 3,901,814,104 by their 1,604 day mark. By their 1,782 day mark, they'll add another 883,794,920 for a 4,785,609,024. And by their 1,981 day mark, they'll be hitting 6B. They are way ahead of SKZ now  
 

Here's how they're performing today:

1 hour ago, lgaga1fan said:

This comp is already so funny considering SKZ released 4 albums in 2018 and aespa released 2 songs 

Aespa only had one song in 2020 (Black Mamba on November 17th). Their second song was Forever (2/5/21). Then Next Level came out 5/17/21. Savage Mini gave us six songs on 10/5/21 and then their tenth song, Dreams Come True, came out 12/20/21.

 

For comparison, Stray Kids dropped their debut, Mixtape, on 1/8/18 with seven songs. They then followed it up with 8 more tracks on 3/26/18. They dropped another mini with 8 tracks on 8/6/18. Then 8 more tracks on 10/22/18. Then 8 more tracks on 3/25/19. Then 7 more on 6/19/19. Then 8 more on 12/19/19. 
 

I have no choice but to think he's playing daft by trying to compare Aespa's first 406 days with 10 tracks to SKZ's first 722 days with 54 tracks  

[Antisocialites]

this discussion is so stupid and nobody cares, wrap it up girlies and stream FUN music

 

 

[armink]

2 hours ago, Pluto6 said:

Speaking of BTS, the way I just discovered this pop perfection recently  Why did you Ratmys gatekeep this from me??? @armink @smates @Joseline @BTS

 

LYS:Her is pop perfection all the way through 

[Ryan]

#Jaywon

 

[armink]

3 hours ago, armink said:

popping in to remind everyone that BTS YEAR IS HERE

 

 

REAL MUSIC IS ALMOST BACK

not miss @Save-Me-Oprah fuming at me using his likeness

 

the bitterness won't bring back seunghan sweaty

[Save-Me-Oprah]

20 minutes ago, armink said:

not miss @Save-Me-Oprah fuming at me using his likeness

 

the bitterness won't bring back seunghan sweaty

idk girl, it just might! We're willing to try anything