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[MonsterNavy]

I think every generation has flaws though. 3rd gen has bulk buying, 4th and 5th gen has bulk buying, paid ambassadorships, youtube ads and autoplay fake streams

 

for 2nd gen, their sales and records are all inflated because of $0.40 digital sales

[Pluto6]

3 minutes ago, Ubermensch said:

Meanwhile on planet earth, aespa has much better longevity on every relevant western chart both with albums and singles than your favs.

This lie lol. Stray kids have 6 consecutive #1 albums on the Billboard 200 something aespa will never be able to achieve. And 1 thing you're not gonna do is compare aespa and Stray Kids in terms of albums numbers in terms of streams, charts sales etc., the setup

 

They are the only Kpop group with along with BTS who are never leaving the Spotify Artist Global chart, which shows that they are among the most streamed artists in the world consistently

They also chart better than aespa in every Western country. 

 

3 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

drama's daily streams 424,356

god's menu's daily streams 250,352

 

not for long i fear

 

Let's wait and see 

 

Anyways,

Armageddon (full album) with 2 singles - 903K daily streams

 

ATE (mini album) with 1 single - 1,2M daily streams 

 

4 minutes ago, Windy Day said:

also not comparing aespa and stray kids' daily streams when aespa only 84 tracks and does 4M while stray kids has 300+ and does 9M 

Stray kids have more total streams across their 25 most streamed songs than aespa has across all 84 tracks  Nice try though

[MonsterNavy]

need newjennies to plagiarize tonight by pinkpantheress for their comeback

 

#1 on billboard hot 100

1.5 billion streams on spotify

best new track on spotify 

#1 on circle digital charts 

 

[Ubermensch]

Just now, Pluto6 said:

They also chart better than aespa in every Western country. 

 

They peak higher. I was talking about longevity.

[Pluto6]

9 minutes ago, MonsterNavy said:

we know and no blink is saying this. pluto is just inserting bp to this conversation to win cause bts, twice and stray kids combined "paving the way" isn't something anyone would take seriously

The ass kissing yikes. These guys are literally trying to downplay how your faves BP managed to help globalize Kpop to the way it is today and give all the credit to SNSD. But your hate towards TWICE is just too strong for you to see that, weirdo

 

Edited yesterday at 02:25 PM by Pluto6

[Pluto6]

1 minute ago, Ubermensch said:

They peak higher. I was talking about longevity.

aespa don't even chart in Western countries 

[Windy Day]

@Ubermensch BIIIITCH i'm at mcdonalds bc it's 11pm and everything else is closed and it's my first meal of the day and they're BLASTING garden of eden  not gaga being more relevant than stray kids in korea 

[Gorjesspazze9]

28 minutes ago, youresotoxic said:

 

let me just sneak this SMASH in real quick 

Stop! Gen Z, if you're out there lurking and reading this thread please ignore this post. This was an experimental single, don't turn away. Pls 

[Pluto6]

1 minute ago, Windy Day said:

@Ubermensch BIIIITCH i'm at mcdonalds bc it's 11pm and everything else is closed and it's my first meal of the day and they're BLASTING garden of eden  not gaga being more relevant than stray kids in korea 

Lady gaga is one of the biggest artists of all time globally, and is bigger than any Kpop act. You thought you did something 

[MonsterNavy]

4 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

The ass kissing yikes. These guys are literally trying to downplay how your faves BP managed to globalize Kpop to the way it is today, you weirdo. 

ass licking who? i'll be the first one to cancel everything miss sheep says in this site

 

what did blackpink do to pave the way? 

who had billboard hot100 entries first? - wonder girls, psy, cl

who entered bb200 albums chart first? - boa

who was invited in western shows first? - snsd, wonder girls, 2ne1

 

do you know what paving the way means? blackpink, bts and twice are able to achieve all the success they have right now because 2nd gen made everything possible I need you to be serious  

 

blackpink doesn't need to take credit for everything. they literally just walked the flowery path 2nd gen artists paved. you're sounding like the bts purplewhales talking about your faves paving the way  

 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:29 PM by MonsterNavy

[Windy Day]

Just now, Pluto6 said:

Lady gaga is one of the biggest artists of all time globally, and is bigger than any Kpop act. You thought you did something 

well yes!!! she was outcharting lesserafim not long ago

 

[Witnessed ET]

3 hours ago, prettyinpink940 said:

I remember during this press conference, the woman in the McDonalds outfit was like "I'm really excited to be here with... K-Pop." Like this dumb ***** didn't even bother to ask who she's sharing the stage with. 

Y'all just find some of the weirdest **** to be mad about I swear 

First of all, what was she supposed to say? Aren't they kpop?? She literally talks about how she spent time with the girls and learned about their long career and how she's curious to learn more and had nothing but positive things to say, but just because she didn't say their group name publicly, that means she's somehow hating and a villain? Like what are you tryna say here?

It's pretty clear that she had no absolute idea of the kpop world before she got there, and since this was in Japan and she was way more accustomed with Japanese culture, she was speaking of that more. She was literally doing her job for which she was getting paid. So sorry if she didn't check all your boxes for this particular event 
Secondly, that's Moschino, not McDonald's. 

[Ubermensch]

3 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

Lady gaga is one of the biggest artists of all time globally, and is bigger than any Kpop act. You thought you did something 

they're literally a liddo like me. quiet down j.lo stan 

[Ubermensch]

everything on ATRL is about Katy Perry and Lady Gaga, even when it has nothing to do with Katy Perry and Lady Gaga. Truly the gen z britney and christina

[smates]

Can you please leave BTS out of this discussion? K-pop is an industry. No one ever says, 'Sabrina Carpenter or Ariana Grande wouldn't be this successful if these specific people hadn't made American pop popular back in the 1900s.' So why are we doing the same thing to K-pop and the newer generations? It's just ridiculous. 

 

Of course, if groups like SNSD, or whatever 1st or 2nd gen group you're talking about hadn't existed, K-pop wouldn't be what it is today. The same logic applies to K-dramas, anime, and many other pop culture elements from Asia. It's a kind of chain reaction.

 

So, yes SNSD were huge for their time and if it weren't for them K-Pop wouldn't be what it is. Not back then. Not today. No one's denying that.

 

But you can't seriously claim that SNSD appearing on those shows in 2011–2012 (which no group followed up on for 5–6 years because they FAILED) had more of an impact in the industry than BTS showing up and actually shifting the perception of K-pop in the West.

 

BTS wasn't shoved anywhere they didn't belong. The year they appeared on those award shows and late night shows, Mic Drop was charting at #28 on the Billboard Hot 100. That's a feat only BLACKPINK managed to surpass five years later with Pink Venom and Shut Down charting at #22 and #25 (and BTS hit number one 6 times during this period).

 

Yet after 2017, and still to this day, K-pop is everywhere, because the perception has shifted... because K-pop is now bigger than it ever was, or ever could have been, had it not been for BTS. Their influence is simply bigger than any other group. Why is that so hard to admit  HYBE exists because of BTS not the other way around and HYBE right now is the 4th biggest music company in the WORLD 

 

Don't sit there and act like a group coming from an already influential company in their home country, having  unprecedented success in Asia and gaining a small niche following in the West is somehow more organic, more iconic or more influential than BTS, who were literally self-made and blew up on social media (which is what they had to resort to because no they had no power in their country unless you're buying into those wild conspiracy theories from Pannchoa when BTS couldn't even appear on Korean variety shows), eventually getting invited to Billboard  and changing the trajectory of an entire country 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:36 PM by smates

[TheCal]

 

[Pluto6]

Anyways, I can't believe that I STILL have to argue with the SM echo chamber when this is Stray kids in the real world right now  

 

Edited yesterday at 02:36 PM by Pluto6

[MonsterNavy]

aint reading anything coming from a borahae stan. time to log off, happy sunday everyone! 

[smates]

4 minutes ago, MonsterNavy said:

aint reading anything 

We know.

[Ubermensch]

12 minutes ago, smates said:

No one ever says, 'Sabrina Carpenter or Ariana Grande wouldn't be this successful if these specific people hadn't made American pop popular back in the 1900s.' So why are we doing the same thing to K-pop and the newer generations? It's just ridiculous. 

 

Pop girls still openly thank Madonna all the time and she happened a whole 25 years before SNSD did. Beyonce's Madonna worship remix was literally this decade. I'm not even going to bother reading past this point. Istg Army will be 80 years old one day and telling their caretakers in the retirement home that Jimin discovered the covid vaccine. 

Edited yesterday at 02:46 PM by Ubermensch

[Pluto6]

10 minutes ago, smates said:

Can you please leave BTS out of this discussion? K-pop is an industry. No one ever says, 'Sabrina Carpenter or Ariana Grande wouldn't be this successful if these specific people hadn't made American pop popular back in the 1900s.' So why are we doing the same thing to K-pop and the newer generations? It's just ridiculous. 

 

Of course, if groups like SNSD, or whatever 1st or 2nd gen group you're talking about hadn't existed, K-pop wouldn't be what it is today. The same logic applies to K-dramas, anime, and many other pop culture elements from Asia. It's a kind of chain reaction.

 

So, yes SNSD were huge for their time and if it weren't for them K-Pop wouldn't be what it is. Not back then. Not today. No one's denying that.

 

But you can't seriously claim that SNSD appearing on those shows in 2011–2012 (which no group followed up on for 5–6 years because they FAILED) had more of an impact in the industry than BTS showing up and actually shifting the perception of K-pop in the West.

 

BTS wasn't shoved anywhere they didn't belong. The year they appeared on those award shows and late night shows, Mic Drop was charting at #28 on the Billboard Hot 100. That's a feat only BLACKPINK managed to surpass five years later with Pink Venom and Shut Down charting at #22 and #25 (and BTS hit number one 6 times during this period).

 

Yet after 2017, and still to this day, K-pop is everywhere, because the perception has shifted... because K-pop is now bigger than it ever was, or ever could have been, had it not been for BTS. Their influence is simply bigger than any other group. Why is that so hard to admit  HYBE exists because of BTS not the other way around and HYBE right now is the 4th biggest music company in the WORLD 

 

Don't sit there and act like a group coming from an already influential company in their home country, having  unprecedented success in Asia and gaining a small niche following in the West is somehow more organic, more iconic or more influential than BTS, who were literally self-made and blew up on social media (which is what they had to resort to because no they had no power in their country unless you're buying into those wild conspiracy theories from Pannchoa when BTS couldn't even appear on Korean variety shows), eventually getting invited to Billboard  and changing the trajectory of an entire country 

 

 

These people in here are still living in 2011, and are in their own little bubble and echo chamber 

 

Just now, Ubermensch said:

Pop girls still openly thank Madonna all the time and she happened a whole 25 years before SNSD did. Beyonce's Madonna worship remix was literally this decade. I'm not even going to bother reading past this point. Istg Army will be 80 years old one way and telling their caretakers in the retirement home that Jimin discovered the covid vaccine. 

The difference is that none of these pop girls have surpassed Madonna in terms of commercial success or cultural impact unlike in Kpop, where SNSD have been surpassed by multiple groups. + the Kpop industry is still a new industry compared to the Western industry, and it doesn't have a "Madonna" figure yet. 

[Ubermensch]

bots when you mention that more than 7 people have recorded and released songs before:

[Ubermensch]

2 minutes ago, Pluto6 said:

The difference is that none of these pop girls have surpassed Madonna in terms of commercial success or cultural impact unlike in Kpop, where SNSD have been surpassed by multiple groups. + the Kpop industry is still a new industry compared to the Western industry, and it doesn't have a "Madonna" figure yet. 

2nd gen hasn't been passed in Korea by anybody yet though?

[redsing707]

Can we stop with the 'Stray Kids vs. every other group' thing that's been going on for weeks now? It's getting tiring.

 

Yeah, they're the new BTS-like group, and I'm happy for them. But having 10M listeners doesn't mean they're the best; it just means they're popular. Once again, good for them! Fans will bulk-buy their albums and stream-farm their songs, but they won't be known by the general public. I'll be impressed when they have 1-2 genuinely popular hits.

 

And again, K-pop consumption increases year by year, so it's becoming easier to sell a lot or have high streaming stats. We always need to put things into perspective before making comparisons.

[smates]

Love when people openly admit they won't read an answer when they have been asking ridiculous questions for 40 hours at this point. What are we even discussing then.  I should've posted this instead, maybe Twitter Armys have a point  

 

Anyways I'm going back to my PhD dissertation, this has been me procrastinating. See y'all when you have this conversation for the nth time in a couple of months  Only by then, BTS will be back. Can't wait!

Edited yesterday at 02:59 PM by smates