celeb news Muni Long reveals the truth behind Timber's vocals and writing credits

[loveisdead9582]

Hm…. Idk. Not to discredit either artist but I suppose it's possible that maybe she was brought in to work on some of the harmonies? There's a couple that are higher and might be difficult to consistently get correct. It's also possible that Kesha was sick or something was going on vocally at that moment with her. 

[gettsleazy]

No eyebrows AND no solo hits to her name? She should pick a struggle before coming for anyone. 

[bearman]

11 minutes ago, gettsleazy said:

No eyebrows AND no solo hits to her name? She should pick a struggle before coming for anyone. 

Lowkey glad to officially know that Kesha had no involvement in one of her worst singles 

 

[gettsleazy]

1 minute ago, bearman said:

Lowkey glad to officially know that Kesha had no involvement in one of her worst singles 

 

Dnnnngnngnnf right like what does this girl think she's doing? You wrote "WhoaaaaOhhhOhhhhOhhh" over a 4 bar beat and we're supposed to care? 

[Bethenny Frankel]

this girl does not support other women

 

[professor2000]

2 hours ago, vanishingbee said:

Am I wrong in thinking that it doesn't make sense that Kesha couldn't hit the notes? We've heard Praying, she's got the range. 

I took it that she couldn't get the right feel…not necessarily about hitting the note.  I think that was just a colloquial expression.

 

Hmmm @ the publishing piece.  yeah, that part is definitely messed up.  AND not paying her at all for backing vocals. 

 

Someone said they probably change the "whoa" to "woo" to justify the 2% publishing.  

[Jay L]

Yikes not the Kesha stans coming at Muni Long for exposing this mess  believe what you want I guess but coming for her looks and talent ain't it. 

[bearman]

14 minutes ago, professor2000 said:

Someone said they probably change the "whoa" to "woo" to justify the 2% publishing.  

Isn't this the norm though? Some artist have been credited for far less contributions. Pebe asked 2% from Luke's cut not Muni anyway so it wasn't going to affect her. 

 

(Luke who has not worked on the song at all and got probably payed more than Muni will ever get payed as a songwriter, this is where her rage should be addressed not falsely dragging another artist for her vocals and an imaginary Atlantic Records A&R that is somehow working for Sony. You should know better with Luke magically appearing on Planet Her songs 4 years after release) 

Edited December 31, 2024 by bearman

[collin]

I just wish she hadn't targeted Kesha and her mom who are probably the least amount of the problem in this scenario. Unnecessary 

[professor2000]

3 minutes ago, bearman said:

Isn't this the norm though? Some artist have been credited for far less contributions. Pebe asked 2% from Luke's cut not Muni anyway so it wasn't going to affect her. 

 

(Luke who has not worked on the song at all and got probably payed more than Muni will ever get payed as a songwriter, this is where her rage should be addressed not falsely dragging another artist for her vocals. You should know better with Luke magically appearing on Planet Hear songs 4 years after release) 

How is she falsely dragging another artist?  She specifically said the smoke was for Atlantic Records…?

 

She didn't disparage her singing. She just giving context why her vocals were on the song in the first place.  

 

And changing "Whoa" to "woo" is not songwriting.  It's wrong, regardless of who does it.  
 

 

[bearman]

1 minute ago, professor2000 said:

How is she falsely dragging another artist?  She specifically said the smoke was for Atlantic Records…?

 

She didn't disparage her singing. She just giving context why her vocals were on the song in the first place.  

 

And changing "Whoa" to "woo" is not songwriting.  It's wrong, regardless of who does it.  
 

 

You can easily listen to the acapella and stems and it's all Kesha so yes she's falsely dragging another artist. Her vocals are simply not on the song. 

 

Also why is Atlantic Records involved on a song that is owned by Sony? Neither Kesha, Pitbull or her at the time were signed to Warner Music. There's just a lot of weird things about what she's saying.

 

We all know the industry is ruthless and unfair but in this case I don't know what she's complaining about. She got credited, she got payed and it's all good. Pebe dropped her 2% claim when Luke blackmailed her by threatening to withdraw royalties payments to everyone involved and in the end Kesha was not payed for this song at all (or anything she has released pre-2014). 

 

 

[TheBoss]

2 hours ago, bearman said:

Here are the raw Kesha vocals from the recording session by the way. I understand where Priscilla is coming from but this story in particular has a lot of holes. She wrote a song and got rightfully credited for it. The Pebe v Luke dispute is much deeper than this and anyway neither her or Kesha got payed for Timber in the end. 

 

 

Pitbull's vocals I CAN'T 

[ICLDXU4HS]

first of all shut up money long

[bearman]

Just now, TheBoss said:

Pitbull's vocals I CAN'T 

I miss him/his music so much though. Simpler times. 

[iiswhoiis_max]

A woman couldn't "hit notes" while forced to work with her abuser and battling an ED? Shocking. WE know she can sing when she feels comfortable. Like get your head around what stress does to you and I damn know what they were yellling to her whenever she "failed" in the studio. Disgusting rats

[MissHammers]

I was there during this time period, so I can add some context. Mike Caren had a special A&R office in Hollywood with recording studios and he owned a publishing company called APG that he put on the floor below Atlantic. Sermstyle who produced the beat was signed to APG, and the Atlantic studios above were used pretty heavily for APG writers/producers. Pitbull used to be there all the time (very nice btw), because a lot of his hits during that period were written/produced by APG artists.

 

I also think you all are misunderstanding what she said about vocals - she was brought in to sing some background vocal stacks which can be very tedious, so they very often made the songwriters do that instead of lead artists. Also, the people she mentioned are notorious for pulling that type of stuff, so keep in mind that what she says they told her about Kesha's vocals/range was probably just an excuse they gave her. It isn't her trying to shade anyone. They made people change songs/lyrics all the time because they wanted to and blamed it on random things.
 

Last thing, but the people she name dropped are the same ones responsible for most of the Bebe drama and monster vocals, along with tons of other stuff. So anyway, I'll go back to lurking but please don't do too much on either of these talented women who have both been through it. The fire should be directed at that weird label / publishing company set-up that they used to pressure a lot of people. 

[Alex]

Sure it's unfair to bring this convo up when Kesha can't respond or talk about this directly due to legal restraints but idk why fans are gunning for Muni like this when all of the hate is towards the music industry which is notorious for doing shady things like this... she probably has a million stories like this but this probably wasn't the right one to broadcast due to how complicated the circumstances are with the aforementioned people involved. idk.  

[BornUnbroken]

Muni has kind of discussed this several times, there's a great podcast interview she did with Ross Golan (under Priscilla Renea) discussing songwriting and the creation of this song. She's def in the wrong for shading Kesha, especially since Kesha's vocals are so prominent in the song and Muni's background vocals are tucked way underneath. But most of her points are extremely valid and Kesha and her mom aren't the point in her critiques.

 

But in general, I think it's pretty shitty when artists take songwriting credit if they change a melody or change a couple of words in a song. This definitely seems like one of those situations, but different perspectives can coexist. Kesha was under extreme duress during this time, and claiming songwriting credits along with her mother was obviously their way to reclaim some fairness under Kesha's recording deal. Unfortunately, royalties disputes affects all songwriters involved, so I do think it's valid for Muni to be upset at all parties over this.

[Soda Pop Queen]

Not y'all trying to act like Kesha can sing on Muni's level she might could hit the note on a good day but the point that Priscilla was making is that the label said K couldn't sing it like her because they were trying to get her in the studio to Milli Vanilli her voice. My understanding is that once she got there and figured out what was up, she refused to record and left hence why you only hear Kesha on the released version. Because she didn't kowtow to their demands, she never got paid and even tried to say she owed them money. Terrible. Also, notice she didn't even use Kesha name or her mother's name, I'm assuming to try to mitigate the STAN mess that is happening here. Muni beef is mainly with the record labels (and the industry's long-standing systemic racism towards black creators).

 

I hope stans don't ruin Priscilla tea spilling. She been in this game, especially behind the scenes, for about 16 years now. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Soda Pop Queen

[dussymob]

4 hours ago, JBJT2786 said:

Baby she had a  decent hit with Made for Me which came out this year and is Platinum.....like...

arguably bigger than hrs too.

[professor2000]

3 hours ago, bearman said:

You can easily listen to the acapella and stems and it's all Kesha so yes she's falsely dragging another artist. Her vocals are simply not on the song. 

 

Also why is Atlantic Records involved on a song that is owned by Sony? Neither Kesha, Pitbull or her at the time were signed to Warner Music. There's just a lot of weird things about what she's saying.

 

We all know the industry is ruthless and unfair but in this case I don't know what she's complaining about. She got credited, she got payed and it's all good. Pebe dropped her 2% claim when Luke blackmailed her by threatening to withdraw royalties payments to everyone involved and in the end Kesha was not payed for this song at all (or anything she has released pre-2014). 

 

 

Song was originally FloRida's and he's signed to Atlantic.  The names she dropped are legit ppl (I interned there), so I doubt she's making it up.  
 

It's possible when Atlantic had it, she was indeed asked to be on it.  And maybe she didn't get paid b/c it was lost in the shuffle she was involved (outside of being a writer) when it transitioned to Pitbull/RCA? Or hell, maybe they actually took her off when RCA got it + she didn't realize.  
 

And her point in bringing this up was a part of series of how Atlantic has treated her (ie, how they mistreat Black artists)….which the point still stands b/c she said she gets 2-5K to even show up to do bg vocals.  And this is 1 of 3 things they have done to her along these lines.   
 

And the 2% pub is still wrong either way, if you were not involved in writing the track…no matter how you slice it. Dropped or not. But idk…we can agree to disagree.  
 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2024 by professor2000

[nathanspears]

I've always wondered why the music indstury still seems so closely guarded. The creation of these songs and albums. It's still mostly hidden behind a big curtain. I think things like this are why. There's just way too much shady stuff going on. No one wants to talk about it.

[bearman]

29 minutes ago, professor2000 said:

It's possible when Atlantic had it, she was indeed asked to be on it.  And maybe she didn't get paid b/c it was lost in the shuffle she was involved (outside of being a writer) when it transitioned to Pitbull/RCA? Or hell, maybe they actually took her off when RCA got it + she didn't realize.  

I think this could be the truth and maybe she's mixing things up or misremembering. Anyway, god help every female artist/creative in this industry. 

[Lightbringer007]

yall fr weird for dragging muni here ... blame the record labels and those who are in power

[LustSpell]

Kesha stans body shaming people is the biggest irony I have seen in a while, knowing she went to rehab over it.