base talk Why did Taylor get songwriting credit from Olivia but not Chappell?

[Jay07]

Because she knew that trying to kneecap a queer artist wouldn't be as beneficial as trying to stop Olivia and would probably backfire.

[BlossomSoul]

3 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

 /end thread

 

pulling a taylor and suing you for being inspired by my post 

[Dragonfly]

in what world do Midwest Summer

and Pink Poets Club sound alike?  

[Dear Reader]

5 minutes ago, BlossomSoul said:

pulling a taylor and suing you for being inspired by my post 

[Dante Silva]

Chappell never identified herself as a Swiftie. I think Taylor saw Olivia's commitment to her music as a vulnerability that provided her with an opportunity to impose demands that were met to her liking, thereby avoiding a formal legal proceeding.

 

Olivia should have remained silent about the influences on her writing process, as that could have been used as evidence supporting Taylor in a legal context—especially if Olivia hadn't privately given in to Taylor's demands. 
 

It's now odd to consider that there was a time when Taylor was sharing exclusive clips of her (then) new music with Olivia for her to post on Instagram to help promote it for Taylor.

 

Jump ahead to the moment when Olivia drops "Vampire," which many believe reflects her personal experience of Taylor demanding more money than she already has. 
 

I think Olivia should have disregarded Taylor and let her sue instead. How would Taylor be viewed now if Olivia had stood firm against Taylor's demands and the whole situation had unfolded in a public courtroom? 
 

If that had happened, I don't think it would have cast Olivia in a negative light publicly, but would it have impacted Taylor's public image?

[Pavement Princess]

Olivia is a woman of color while Chappell is not. 

[Popboi.]

Chappell wasn't parading on interviews saying how much Cruel Summer and/or Taylor influenced the song, pinpointing the similarity for everyone to notice. One can start there.

[unison stan]

the more interesting question is "why did not polaris/loona sue taylor for stealing stylish chord to chord" 

[Revolution]

Olivia was more of a threat to her because of the audience overlap. She had to bury her. 

[Comedor]

Have we discussed how Cruel Summer is very similar to Drake's  Summer Games? Maybe it's just me.
 

 

[HarajukuPrincess]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Nation said:

Funny, because the internet also pointed out "brutal" 's riff was similar to that of "Pump It Up" by Elvis Costello. In fact, it even caught the attention of Elvis himself on Twitter - and this is what he had to say about it:

 

 

This already disproves the theory that Olivia and her team went out of their way to get credits for the songs they were accused of copying regardless of pressure from the other party. What's more, Olivia's father has made his stance on the matter quite clear through some retweets during 2021-22, hinting at what happened behind the scenes with Paramore and Swift's teams.

 

 

 

 

Personally, I think it's quite telling that Olivia went from a very enthusiastic Swiftie to someone who completely stopped bringing her up in interviews and social media, didn't attend the "Eras Tour", and whenever questioned about any conflict answered with very neutral PR responses. Then there's "the grudge". It's not even about the royalties themselves, since the widespread coverage of her 'copying' "Cruel Summer" and "Misery Business" led to her artistry and songwriting being discredited, with increasing criticism of her being 'unoriginal' and 'ripping off' others even though several artists, including Swift herself, have done the same. And after spending the "Lover" era talking about how brutal the industry can be to female artists, how they're built up to be torn apart afterwards, Taylor was quite hypocritical for not standing up to defend Olivia (a longtime fan of hers!), even if she felt receiving the writing credits was fair from a justice standpoint.

 

 

Likely this is the best statement in this whole thread 

[skeeyee]

Well I think Taylor knows she could take Olivia. But Chappell however would want to squabble and she would drag taylord 

 

but really Chappell would have exposed and dragged Taylor on every media avenue if she tried this 

[Rv1709]

Chappel would destroy Taylor - she's unhinged 

[Tylerbv]

3 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

That's the thing. Nothing went behind the scenes. Olivia gave her those credits cause she wanted to. 

Not even you believe this

[dawnettakins]

Taylor and her fans are sooo incredibly insecure it's actually insane. 

 

One question or criticism and the downvote brigade is out like their lives and Taylor's depended on it. 

[M-P-B]

3 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

Proof? 

Olivia actually did an interview around GUTS release where she talked about it and outright said that giving away the credits was not what she wanted to do... It might have been Rolling Stone magazine but I'm not sure

[Zeferino]

These Stan wars always give me life

[4Real]

Why didn't Loona sue Taylor? 

 

 

[MissedTheTrain]

Why does nobody talk about how Paramore was also retroactively added to the credits for 'good 4 u' at the same time as Cruel Summer/deja vu?  We don't know exactly what happened, but we do know that nobody sued anyone.