base talk Why did Taylor get songwriting credit from Olivia but not Chappell?

[Spicy Pisces]

45 minutes ago, glitch said:

getting 50% of Olivia's writing credits

Dang, so much over a bridge that inspired you? I just know Olivia learned to keep her cards to herself after this. Never meet your heroes.

[Yawn]

olivia stopped crying about josh/sabrina and how josh didn't want her so has been trying to play victim in this situation now

[Saint James]

how do you know that Taylor didn't sue Chappell… colloquially?

[Rep2000]

18 minutes ago, Loca said:

That makes two swifties who can't read, with a ratio of 100%. Explains so much

Bold of you to call anyone "can't read", considering you act dumb 24/7 in Taylor threads. 

[Blue Monday]

47 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

That's the thing. Nothing went behind the scenes. Olivia gave her those credits cause she wanted to. 

Yes! And Santa Claus gets in his sleigh with his flying reindeer and delivers presents all over the world on Christmas Eve 

[HarajukuPrincess]

I still like Taylor, but her betraying Olivia (especially the way she knowingly went about it) really soured her for me; no pun intended. Also the pettiness of knowingly blocking Billie from #1 on the Billboard 200. 

Edited December 30, 2024 by HarajukuPrincess

[Shelter]

There is still time 

 

[BnPac]

1 hour ago, Peak Now said:

Because Olivia herself said that she was "influenced" by Cruel Summer for the deja vu bridge, which would be a huge point against her if Taylor/UMG/whoever were to sue her

 

 

Hmmm no. That's no ground for anything. 

All artists are influenced. Most songs take inspiration from a song or an artist before. That does not warrant a credit. 

 

It's like saying all Folklore/Evermore + Midnights' songs should have Lana Del Rey credited with 50% because Taylor herself acknowledges her influence on those records. 

 

The whole Olivia's credits' situation is a sad consequence of Marvin Gaye's estate's greed and it's just a bunch of veterans bullying and stealing from a new comer. 

Edited December 30, 2024 by BnPac

[Marla Singer]

Chappell's not as much of a threat to her as Olivia was at the time.

[Don]

im confused. which part of my kink is karma sampled cruel summer?

[Miss Anthropocene]

My skink is karma is influenced by the sound of a vibrator, not Cruel Summer 

[glitch]

32 minutes ago, Saint James said:

how do you know that Taylor didn't sue Chappell… colloquially?

We all know Ms Roan wouldn't miss an opportunity to share that information with the class

 

[Moonlight Nation]

39 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said:

Yep. She also didn't credit Paramore. Sometimes you don't know you're copying something until the internet points it out. 

Funny, because the internet also pointed out "brutal" 's riff was similar to that of "Pump It Up" by Elvis Costello. In fact, it even caught the attention of Elvis himself on Twitter - and this is what he had to say about it:

 

 

This already disproves the theory that Olivia and her team went out of their way to get credits for the songs they were accused of copying regardless of pressure from the other party. What's more, Olivia's father has made his stance on the matter quite clear through some retweets during 2021-22, hinting at what happened behind the scenes with Paramore and Swift's teams.

 

 

 

 

Personally, I think it's quite telling that Olivia went from a very enthusiastic Swiftie to someone who completely stopped bringing her up in interviews and social media, didn't attend the "Eras Tour", and whenever questioned about any conflict answered with very neutral PR responses. Then there's "the grudge". It's not even about the royalties themselves, since the widespread coverage of her 'copying' "Cruel Summer" and "Misery Business" led to her artistry and songwriting being discredited, with increasing criticism of her being 'unoriginal' and 'ripping off' others even though several artists, including Swift herself, have done the same. And after spending the "Lover" era talking about how brutal the industry can be to female artists, how they're built up to be torn apart afterwards, Taylor was quite hypocritical for not standing up to defend Olivia (a longtime fan of hers!), even if she felt receiving the writing credits was fair from a justice standpoint.

 

 

[Peak Now]

8 minutes ago, BnPac said:

The whole Olivia's credits' situation is a sad consequence of Marvin Gaye's estate's greed

Well yes I never said it was a good thing. Blame Pharrell Williams v. Bridgeport Music for that!

 

Honestly I still think Geffen just handed over those credits to cover their asses and safeguard a just debuting artist's career, if you remember the G4U/MizBiz allegations were everywhere at the time 

[Polgg48]

main current targets for the torture poet songstress now is charli and billie with ariana on long sight, chappell need to prove her success on her new album first whereas chappell is like a... viral tiktok status atm and everyone knows it. plus swifties arent streaming chappell music as much as olivia who actually swifties fav too that's why taylor pressed so hard. until then...  

[teenager]

Because she felt directly threatened by her 

[HeavyMetalAura]

From what I've heard, Taylor's albums aren't getting as many streams as SOUR, so maybe Taylor was struggling financially and wanted to benefit from an up-and-coming artist's streams. The Deja Vu royalties were likely enough to sustain her so she didn't need to do the same to Chappel. 

[By the Water]

Chappell didn't openly admit to copying Taylor without giving her credit

[Headlock]

Cruel Summer you will always be that girl 

[burninredhot]

You know it's a dry day on ATRL when someone's making this same thread for the 100th time now 

[BlossomSoul]

1 hour ago, Badgalbriel said:

That's the thing. Nothing went behind the scenes. Olivia gave her those credits cause she wanted to. 

I'm sort of concerned for you

Edited December 30, 2024 by BlossomSoul

[BlossomSoul]

1 hour ago, Kern said:

I'm sure she gave away 50% of her song money because she felt like it's the right thing to do. I also love giving away money to my coworkers when I feel like they inspire me

/ end thread

[BlossomSoul]

1 hour ago, Loca said:

She knows Chappell won't put up with that **** and she won't be able to play the victim 

/end thread

[Nico Robin]

Am I missing something or do these two songs sound nothing alike??

[Dear Reader]

13 minutes ago, burninredhot said:

You know it's a dry day on ATRL when someone's making this same thread for the 100th time now 

 /end thread