base talk Is there a better performance than Beyoncé's?

[JO1s]

6 minutes ago, Elusive Chanteuse said:

 Gerl

 

The choreography is better, the vocals are fully live and they don't need 500 back up dancers to carry choreography. So I said what I said.

[Kingdom]

25 minutes ago, americanlife said:

Beyonce has had better performances in the past. This show was basically a rehash of her last few performances. Her schtick is growing old, hence the Cowboy Carter slump.

Beyonce did a country line dance during renaissance.

 

There is nothing beyonce did and i mean nothing she did at the 2024 halftime performance that was a repeat of what shes done before. 

[Popboi.]

Basically everyone lip-syncs to pre-recorded vocals (some more obvious than others) on halftime shows so that one particular criticism of her performance should stop 

 

 

Not from the currently active, there are better vocalists but none of them dance or put up a show like Bey, and those who dance better are much worse vocalists. 

[Pheromosa]

all these 20+ year old performances some of which are from dead people kind of prove everything huh  

[Chris]

Beyonce's music is just as good as MJ, Janet, Madonna, Mariah, and etc.

 

Her music is even better than some actually.

 

Like what?

 

[Havoc]

2 hours ago, Loca said:

In terms of craft, I'd say she is the best right now. If we look at mainstream artists at least. But she is very much a one trick pony, which could be a bad thing depending on who you ask. It's good that she has a landmark, distinctive style, but she won't be the type of performer to surprise you on a regular basis - and that's ok, she doesn't have to. 

One trick pony?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

+ Her halftime show, thats 4 vastly different, top tier performances all showcasing different strengths. She is the only performer I think of that has mastered singing, dancing and stage production. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Havoc

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[Ger.vaz]

Can Beyoncé lead a stage without dancers and Production? Just like the best Performers? Michael, Madonna, Shakira, Tina, Whitney.

 

her Dance was Never that unique.

[Mariano]

The insecurity  

 

Beyonce is one of the greatest performers of all time, u didn't need to create this thread in defense of a halftime performance where she mostly lip synced. It was still good, but she literally lip synced 90% of it. That's an automatic flaw and I say this as a huge Bey stan.
 

6 hours ago, NOW said:

Other than her idols (MJ, Madonna, Tina, etc.), no.

Gaga literally can and has done it, live. Inserting Madonna as if we wouldn't notice   When has she ever served vocals and choreo? 

Edited 11 hours ago by Mariano

[Freaky Prince]

Beyonce is an exceptional performer, but I feel like I've seen this exact performance 10 times already.

[Elusive Chanteuse]

4 hours ago, Chris said:

Beyonce's music is just as good as MJ, Janet, Madonna, Mariah, and etc.

 

Her music is even better than some actually.

 

Like what?

 

Is it really though? Lyrically definitely not. 
 

 

[Weld_E]

3 hours ago, Ger.vaz said:

Can Beyoncé lead a stage without dancers and Production? Just like the best Performers? Michael, Madonna, Shakira, Tina, Whitney.

 

her Dance was Never that unique.

The sneak 

 

But yes:

 

[Pop Fan]

I prefer Billie and Adele. Beyonce is so superficial and robotic as a performer. She's too focused on technical aspects of the performance and on making a big spectacle out of it. They're technically very good and entertaining but they're not emotionally impactful. She's not genuine or authentic as a performer. Watching her perform doesn't make me feel anything, her doesn't evoke/convey a lot of emotion. 

[Kahlo]

2 hours ago, Mariano said:

 

Gaga literally can and has done it, live. Inserting Madonna as if we wouldn't notice   When has she ever served vocals and choreo? 

What world are you living in? Most of the Blond Ambition and Girlie Show tours are pretty much flawless and fully live. The choreography is always versatile and different for every show and performance. Her voice is great there too, and there's no trickery with backing tapes like we see today. There was barely any high stage production, just raw theatrics. While doing all of that, she engages with the audience. It's raw, rock and roll and conceptual all at once.There's a reason why she was seen as the best female performer for almost 30 years.

 

 

 

[Mariano]

12 minutes ago, Kahlo said:

What world are you living in? Most of the Blond Ambition and Girlie Show tours are pretty much flawless and fully live. The choreography is always versatile and different for every show and performance. Her voice is great there too, and there's no trickery with backing tapes like we see today. There was barely any high stage production, just raw theatrics. While doing all of that, she engages with the audience. It's raw, rock and roll and conceptual all at once.There's a reason why she was seen as the best female performer for almost 30 years.

 

 

 

She was never seen as a better performer than someone like Tina turner.. maybe by her own fans   Point is she can't sing very well live so that automatically draws her back. She is still one of the greatest, I just find it funny that people are leaving artists like Gaga and Pink out, but mentioning others that can't really sing well live. 

[chaklux]

9 hours ago, Capris Groove said:

She lip synced the majority of it.

 

The below shows why Tina Turner is the greatest female performer who ever lived. Born to do it. 61 years old here, 100% live, dancing her ass off, but above all, dripping with charisma and always connected to the audience.

 

 

No disrespect to Tina but I disagree with this take. The key to Beyonce performance is the consistency in the quality of her performance. Yes, other artists might have few performances that are better but overall she is the best consistent wise. Many of you guys don't really watch her random tour performances on YouTube to see how great she truly is. 
 

Yes, she might have lipped part of this Netflix performance but she has given so many performances that she didn't lip and her great.

 

 Off the top of my head; Coachella, the two VMA medleys, Stevie Wonder Grammy tribute, freedom BET performance, billboard run the world performance, VMA ring the alarm performance,A night with Beyonce End of time performance, All night performance at the Tidal event, Love drought and Sandcastles Grammy 2017, and so many others random great ones from her tours. 

All these performances would have been epic and career defining for most artists but for Beyonce it has been normalised, so people sometimes don't appreciate how great this performances are.

 

She is also an amazing vocalist who can put on a great show even without dancing. 
MJ has does way more lipping than Beyonce , and people still praise him as the best ever.

 

The legends are amazing and there wouldn't be Beyonce today without them (Madonna, Tina Turner, MJ, Prince, etc) but I will maintain that Beyonce is the overrall best performer objectively.

[thirdward]

we can critique her on a lot of things but performing? yall are not real haters just trolls 

it's like coming for Taylor's sales that's the thing they are known for 

 

[swissman]

15 hours ago, Tusk said:

It was just her Coachella performance in a white leotard. 
 

It wasn't, like at all.

[swissman]

12 hours ago, Loca said:

In terms of craft, I'd say she is the best right now. If we look at mainstream artists at least. But she is very much a one trick pony, which could be a bad thing depending on who you ask. It's good that she has a landmark, distinctive style, but she won't be the type of performer to surprise you on a regular basis - and that's ok, she doesn't have to. 

I'm curious as to who are the performers you think have multiple "tricks".

[swissman]

9 hours ago, Ger.vaz said:

Can Beyoncé lead a stage without dancers and Production? Just like the best Performers? Michael, Madonna, Shakira, Tina, Whitney.

 

her Dance was Never that unique.

Uh, yes.

 

 

 

[Digitalism]

This was not her best but there isn't a better performer that is currently active 

[swissman]

12 hours ago, JO1s said:

The choreography is better, the vocals are fully live and they don't need 500 back up dancers to carry choreography. So I said what I said.

They don't need 500 backup dancers because there are 500 of them in the group.

[swissman]

15 hours ago, Anvarie said:

After 27 million+ Americans were dazzled by Beyoncé's Cowboy Carter halftime performance this past Christmas it got me wondering if there is a single artist (living or dead) who has put on a performance that could compete with the excellence Beyoncé executed. 
 

The criteria is simple. Post a video of a live performance that you think demonstrates the traits Beyoncé showcased: vocals, choreography, stage presence, stage production, etc.

 

Clips that I think highlight those traits mentioned above

 

 

Anyway to answer the OP, I think Beyoncé has better performances than the BeyoncéBowl one, probably the 2016 VMAs Medley or the 2013 Super Bowl ones are better if we are comparing similar ones, otherwise Coachella bests them all.

[Comedor]

9 hours ago, Ger.vaz said:

Can Beyoncé lead a stage without dancers and Production? Just like the best Performers? Michael, Madonna, Shakira, Tina, Whitney.

 

her Dance was Never that unique.

You are probably not a Beyoncé fan right? That's ok. The opening section of the RWT is Beyoncé on her own delivering some of the best vocals you will ever hear in your life. She has also done intimate sets in the past.

 

Also what's with the random ass limitations you are trying to impose on her? Having dancers, well executed choreo and production is now a bad thing? You are too used to The Errors.

[swissman]

9 hours ago, Ger.vaz said:

her Dance was Never that unique.

meanwhile Single Ladies launched an entire wave of people joining in on it and not because it was of the times (it updated Fosse, giving it its own unique vibe while setting it apart from the styles of dance that popstars were doing at the time)

 

not to mention the "uh oh" dance ushered in a wave of imitators and Beyoncé's choreography with Crazy in Love and Baby Boy started to convert the way R&B/pop singers danced, going from a more rigid, arm/footwork based style (like Janet's) to a more hip-based, sensual, feminine style like Beyoncé's.

 

and her incorporation of African styles, most notably the feature of Mozambican dance group Tofu Tofu in Run the World was quite unique for 2011, too... should we go on?

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by swissman