discussion UPDATE: Elon responds, the white supremacists are fighting! Tech bros VS incels

[BeenTheShit]

These next 4 years are going to be a ******* rollercoaster. 

[Katamari]

17 hours ago, Dante Silva said:

WTF is a "Twink for Trump", is that actually a thing?

 

 

is the twink in the room with us now? 

[OBEY]

3 hours ago, Vermillion said:

 

He did not create Tesla tho... lmao a fraud.

[OBEY]

2 hours ago, VOSS said:

 

I mean... that was obvious. Like wow we truly are intelligent as we (the left) have been saying this about E*on for years lol. 

[SmittenCake]

 

 

 

[RihRihGirrrl]

5 minutes ago, SmittenCake said:

 

 

 

The whole 'President Musk' narrative id really about to take off lol

[SmittenCake]

 

 

 

[SmittenCake]

 

 

 

[SmittenCake]

 

 

 

[Mike91]

5 hours ago, Revolution said:

 

Not him calling MAGA racists 

idk, it sounds like identity politics to me.

 

[Trent W]

Trump backing him up

 

I think Trump is about to throw the Magas under de bus

 

Once he is in power he doesn't need to appeal to them anymore, he is done with them, the pandering is over 

 

I think Trump and Elon are about to have a honeymoon of explotation of the whole political spectrum 

 

They are gonna suck their power in every single way

[Damien M]

What a mess.

the fickle right wing coalition realizing the only thing they have in common is hating pronouns  

 

democrats SO desperate for a win that they wanna throw legal immigration under the bus for MAGA votes  

[Mike91]

10 minutes ago, Damien M said:

What a mess.

the fickle right wing coalition realizing the only thing they have in common is hating pronouns  

 

democrats SO desperate for a win that they wanna throw legal immigration under the bus for MAGA votes  

That's not what anyone is saying at all.  It's not throwing the entire immigration system under the bus to point out that companies take advantage of visas in order to force Americans to either accept worse paying jobs or get replaced by foreign workers. It has nothing to do with being more skilled either as there are plenty of highly-skilled Americans in the tech area who struggle to find work. 

 

It's also not throwing it under the bus to point out that if we want to pass sweeping progressive legislation that an influx of immigration will put a strain on already limited resources. MAGA isn't wrong about everything, they've just displaced their anger at the wrong people. 

 

All anyone is really saying is that dems need to shift the focus to class politics and rebrand themselves as the party of the working class again. That will require removing the old guard, which won't be easy, but there is a winning message there and this upcoming administration is probably going to gift it to them. If dems refuse to listen to the other side, then they're doomed for failure again. American politicians SHOULD be looking out for its own citizens' interests. How is that even remotely controversial? 

Edited 14 hours ago by Mike91

[harwee]

 

 

"Take a big step back and FUCK YOURSELF in the face."

 

 

I didn't know he posts like this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by harwee

[Vermillion]

 

[perfect blue]

42 minutes ago, Damien M said:

democrats SO desperate for a win that they wanna throw legal immigration under the bus for MAGA votes  

Anh, wrong. Leftists want to protect American workers from billionaire technocrats who intend to flood the labor force with cheap, indentured servants that will deflate wages and undermine worker rights.

 

Get out of the black and white "immigration good"/"immigration bad" mindset and THINK about the richest man in the world's intentions critically for a moment.

[Vermillion]

 

 

 

[Vermillion]

 

[SapphireSky]

What a ******* mess 

[Ohno]

Magas discovering that billionaires only care about themselves and profit. What a shocker! 

[Damien M]

Literally MAGA. Again, Dems won't win by going right-wing nativist.

The originals still exist and do that shtick better and more convincingly.  

 

1 hour ago, perfect blue said:

Anh, wrong. Leftists want to protect American workers from billionaire technocrats who intend to flood the labor force with cheap, indentured servants that will deflate wages and undermine worker rights.

 

Get out of the black and white "immigration good"/"immigration bad" mindset and THINK about the richest man in the world's intentions critically for a moment.

 

[perfect blue]

6 minutes ago, Damien M said:

Literally MAGA. Again, Dems won't win by going right-wing nativist.

The originals still exist and do that shtick better and more convincingly.  

 

 

Nice try neolib Bernie said it best 17 years ago.

 

 

[Communion]

39 minutes ago, Damien M said:

Literally MAGA. Again, Dems won't win by going right-wing nativist.

 

But this is the thing. A smart Democrat would be able to thread the needle on this issue that addresses the issue while getting a progressive goal acheived.

 

There's a path to trying to leverage the kind of H-1B reforms the tech wing want while also closing the kind of financial incentives corporations have to import foreign workers over native-born that the nativist MAGA wing want *and* leverage this trade-off to get reforms done to quicken and make easier the process for family-based immigration - something Dems who fashion themselves as pro-immigrant should want to actually achieve.

 

Democrats already let themselves get played by Republicans on this and only allowed Trump to radicalize more of their own voters into nativism. 

 

The GOP has tried to make family-based immigration so convoluted and broken that Democrats instead focused on making progress where they had more immediate ability - humanitarian immigration like asylum seekers. Only for the economic conditions of COVID to allow Trump to make people with family waiting "in line" for years to then resent the newly-arrived asylum seekers, who were only given temporary pardons to quicken the processing operations at the border to begin with.  

 

Dems don't have to accept a binary choice of either giving the tech right what they want in proliferating employer-based migration that suppresses wages + hurt American workers vs being anti-migration like the MAGA right and which normalizes racism.

 

The actual white supremacist wing of Trumpism is fairly powerless - to the point that Dems beat them in 2020. It was the largely working class swing voters - who had voted for Biden in 2020 - who got swayed into reactionary nativism by Trump 2024 because Biden sat on his hands over the economy. The billionaire corporations are the problem - not the green card holders, asylum seekers, H-1B's, etc.

 

"You can't beat the Republicans in their game of racism". EXACTLY, but you also then must address material conditions to STOP and REVERSE further radicalization.

Edited 11 hours ago by Communion

[Vermillion]

 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, perfect blue said:

Nice try neolib Bernie said it best 17 years ago.

 

 

He truly never misses.

 

Imagine the kind of tour-de-force a Democratic presidential figure would be arguing someone deserves to be reunited with their grandparent or children by having them come to live in America because immigration and diversity make us as Americans stronger while still pointing to the corporate class as the parasitic entity they are in trying to exploit immigration laws for their own benefit and profit-line.

 

"No foreign-worker visas granted to corporations who mass lay-off American workers" sounds like literal common sense policy in America 2024.

 

It feels important to note that things like the Employ America Act of 2009 (S. 2804) - that simply would have banned large companies from being granted any foreign-worker visas for a year if they planned any mass lay-offs of American workers - is the very kind of policy work that Hillary Clinton and Democrats tried to weaponize as somehow "anti-immigrant" in 2016 when running against Sanders despite Sanders largely being the candidate of choice by immigrant rights groups because he viewed them as people, not just potential cost-savings for businesses.

Edited 11 hours ago by Communion