discussion UPDATE: Elon responds, the white supremacists are fighting! Tech bros VS incels

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[Gov Hooka]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

We've reached peak neoliberal brain rot if anyone can walk away from this kind of internal conflict amongst the modern right with the takeaway of "I don't have much sympathy here...but Dems should run on uncapping H-1B visas to re-win high income non-white demographics, though they should have always known Trump's racism included them".

 

Dems didn't lose rich people. There's probably actually too many high-income people over-represented in the party to begin with. Thus the inability of rank and file Dems to view such conflict as an opportunity to completely discredit America First nativism by showing voters fueled by economic resenent (and non-voters who sat out due to economic doomerism) that MAGA's populism was never actually populism and that income inequality can only actually be addressed via progressive policy. 

Spill. No leftists here are saying you gotta be buddy buddy with MAGAts but the public regardless of apparent "ideology" especially in the wake of Luigi's act, is very primed to class consciousness atm. The time to ramp up class based leftwing economic populist rhetoric and again reigniting a bold progressive legislative agenda is now… but idk everyone is just so checked out atm 

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[CandyCoatedClouds]

This is equal parts both hilarious that they're already imploding and yet tragic that they're the leading conservative minds in this country. This does give me hope that a trumpless America will not be easily controlled by Vance or Trump Jr. Like so many are speculating.

[Revolution]

 

Not him calling MAGA racists 

[Redstreak]

3 hours ago, Vermillion said:

 

 

7 minutes ago, Revolution said:

 

Not him calling MAGA racists 

so in one breath he admits he doesn't think they'll do as good a job but in another tweet says it's true meritocracy and not DEI? The implosion is gonna be beautiful

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

The Republican incel girlieesss are fightinggggg

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[AMIT]

7 hours ago, MattieB said:

Oh ******* please lmao. Trying to reason with or understand where these morons are coming from is literally futile. It's vertical morality, you'll never be able to get through to them. 

What form of radicalization makes you COMPLETELY write off other people's rights for your own best interest, every single person that voted for that man voted out of HATE first, Latinos for Trump don't want other Latino immigrants here, blacks for Trump are rampant c**ns who shuck and jive for a metaphorical seat at the table (and also to keep other black people off the table), gays for Trump think they're the special ones who can't be harmed so they send their ire to trans people, Arabs for Trump think they're set apart from the terrorists Maga brands them as on the daily, women for Trump are just doormats for their husbands and follow everything they say and do and finally the big bad white men want white supremacy back on top. 

And there were signs, Trump winning, the miss universe win, Jake Paul "defeating" Mike Tyson the black legend etc and this is just the beginning. 

Sometimes we have to fight fire with direct fire, the hand holding to explain why black people need dei, women need abortion rights etc is tired. THEY KNOW, they just don't care, they want as much chaos as possible. 

Yes, we did see the left and right come together to condemn the media for focusing on the sympathy for Brian Thompson. But most of the support for Luigi came from the left, this is a fact. Alot of the right from social media slowly changed their tune to the fact that he's a murderer and need to be put down. They will ALWAYS be the problem. 

The empathy can be brought back to them but it'd be extremely difficult, they'd have to be reprogrammed basically 

What is the point of the Democrats if not for getting people to vote for them? Again, not even Kamala's supposed base wanted her vague, rambling ass to 'represent' them. Who are they for then? What do them fundraise for? Where do you think the american political discussion should be heading to now? Luigi's brave act and subsequent reactions were very telling of the actual political situation in america (which neolibs also have a vested interest in hiding it) and exposed how united people can be when the issue is right. Why do you think Democrats failed and are still failing in doing anything meaningful about it in the aftermath? 

 

You've said it yourself that it is extremely difficult, and I agree! But that's for a myriad of reasons other than just - "they hate themselves!!! they're HATEFUL!1!!11", including the inability of the Democratic party to even at least try and court those people to their side. Of course if you let the Republicans have a field day like they have been since forever at this point (again, why do you think Democrats don't do anything to actually combat republicans besides shallow lip service and scolding their own disillusioned base?) things will keep getting more difficult. 

 

Again's Dem's current strategy is PROVEN to not work; Kamala's campaign BOMBED. If you see them doubling down on their failures then that should raise the biggest red flag but it seems like it doesn't for some of you and YOU still refuse to snap out of it and then you wonder why MAGA people are difficult to get through? 

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[tiejc]

57 minutes ago, Revolution said:

 

Not him calling MAGA racists 

Hitting them where it hurts with a new name next to deplorables and garbage

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[MattieB]

1 hour ago, AMIT said:

What is the point of the Democrats if not for getting people to vote for them? Again, not even Kamala's supposed base wanted her vague, rambling ass to 'represent' them. Who are they for then? What do them fundraise for? Where do you think the american political discussion should be heading to now? Luigi's brave act and subsequent reactions were very telling of the actual political situation in america (which neolibs also have a vested interest in hiding it) and exposed how united people can be when the issue is right. Why do you think Democrats failed and are still failing in doing anything meaningful about it in the aftermath? 

 

You've said it yourself that it is extremely difficult, and I agree! But that's for a myriad of reasons other than just - "they hate themselves!!! they're HATEFUL!1!!11", including the inability of the Democratic party to even at least try and court those people to their side. Of course if you let the Republicans have a field day like they have been since forever at this point (again, why do you think Democrats don't do anything to actually combat republicans besides shallow lip service and scolding their own disillusioned base?) things will keep getting more difficult. 

 

Again's Dem's current strategy is PROVEN to not work; Kamala's campaign BOMBED. If you see them doubling down on their failures then that should raise the biggest red flag but it seems like it doesn't for some of you and YOU still refuse to snap out of it and then you wonder why MAGA people are difficult to get through? 

If your campaign's foundation is based on empathy and the opposing party's foundation is hate. How the **** will you pull over his supporters to your side, when said supporters are in spaces/groups that contain people from the very demographic you're stripping rights away from, I want you to tell me what you can simply say to these red hats to sway them into empathy. What will you say to them to get them to understand their mothers, sisters and wives wombs are up to them and not them government, what will you say to black maga about keeping DEI, a system set in place to prohibit white people from using their race to strong arm themselves into unqualified positions, what will you say to Latino maga concerning the fact that the people they want out were once their parents, escaping to give them a better life. 

 

The ball's in your court. 

[MattieB]

54 minutes ago, Vermillion said:

 

Non whites realizing republican white people hate everyone will always be funny to me lmao. They have the "at least I'm not black" mentality, they're finding out quick where they land on the totem pole 

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[Chemist]

13 minutes ago, MattieB said:

If your campaign's foundation is based on empathy and the opposing party's foundation is hate. How the **** will you pull over his supporters to your side, when said supporters are in spaces/groups that contain people from the very demographic you're stripping rights away from, I want you to tell me what you can simply say to these red hats to sway them into empathy. What will you say to them to get them to understand their mothers, sisters and wives wombs are up to them and not them government, what will you say to black maga about keeping DEI, a system set in place to prohibit white people from using their race to strong arm themselves into unqualified positions, what will you say to Latino maga concerning the fact that the people they want out were once their parents, escaping to give them a better life. 

 

The ball's in your court. 

So your solution is never winning elections again? You need some of them back to the democratic party

[MattieB]

3 minutes ago, Chemist said:

So your solution is never winning elections again? You need some of them back to the democratic party

No one said THAT MY GOD! I'm saying alot of these people are too far gone and to assimilate empathy back to them will take a conjoined effort between the outsider and host. That's why the DNC failed, they got radicalized and abandoned all form of care for anyone but themselves. 

 

Democrats need to start fighting fire with fire, that is the only language they understand. Hand holding and explanations literally do nothing 

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[Communion]

@Veraher Feels also like most never actually looked into what Vance claimed to believe in his book and took the title as some badge of honor - owning being a hillbilly against some liberal elite - as opposed to basically being him seething that growing up in backwoods and backswamps to rednecks (in his view) purposefully failed him in the way he wanted to instead be launched for success from birth like he viewed most of his rich peers at Yale were by their (often foreign-born) parents. 

 

And that the premise is true - economic stability is required for generational upward mobility to occur - but Vance largely ascribed this instability as a personal ethical failing of most rural poor whites than an unfairness by some system (to the cheers and critical phase by elite liberal media post-2016).

 

A politician like Trump who claims to uniquely see the pain of the white working class is handing his voters over to Big Tech globalists who essentially see the WWC as a backwoods inversion of values and whom deserve to be innovated out of existence and replaced by AI than receive any policy solution to soften their pain.

 

That populism is the lifeblood of MAGA and not technocratic elite donors, it feels like Dems are guaranteed to misread the room and aim in trying to pander to the elite tech donors to win them back instead of exposing MAGA and stealing its populist valor (and gain back the working class voters they lost to Trump both times).

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Communion

[Radical Pessimism]

3 hours ago, Revolution said:

 

Not him calling MAGA racists 

said the racist himself