discussion UPDATE: Elon responds, the white supremacists are fighting! Tech bros VS incels

[Sawk]

THE FOUNDATION IS CRACKING 

 

 

[Jack!]

I feel so blasé about this, because it's losers on losers and still not an overall win to leveraging the scale of morality in an America where Donald Trump is the metaphorical bus driver. Elon has shown questionable stances on many issues, but I don't believe he wouldn't have known MAGA wouldn't have liked him speaking positively on the H-1B visa scheme, and even if this is showing he maybe has somewhat of a minuscule moral compass still inside of him, it hardly makes him a left wing saviour against the MAGAts.

 

He took grace in turning Twitter/X into a MAGA playground to help propagate the election. It's only an insight into the upcoming repercussions of another 4 years of Trump in office. This feels like someone turning to you for sympathy because they burned their hand because they put it in a pot of boiling water to see what happens. Like am I supposed to feel bad for anyone in this situation? No. You did this to yourself.

[uusagii]

 

[AMIT]

38 minutes ago, LustSpell said:

People sympathizing with MAGA in here and then were angry with Kamala during the campaign trying to court said alienated Republicans, but saying Democrats are missing out NOW by not trying to convert MAGA. Am I missing something here?

 

Like, I'm legitimately confused. I'm not trying to use this as a gotcha, but I don't know how we arrived here. Why are we trying to court scum? We were saying it was pointless 2-3 months ago because they would die before voting Democrat

Aren't liberals the ones always yapping about how expecing the president to be the nation savior is naive, how we should shut up and vote for the supposed lesser evil and also the ones that just got handed the biggest L in the latest election? It's not about "sympathizing with MAGA!!1!!" but rather about legitimately trying to understand what makes people actually become radicalized to the right and at least trying to see if anything can be done about it to reverse it. Have you missed one of the biggest political events of the year with the recent CEO murder and how shocked people were over how unifying such outcome was? This may shock you but deep down, a lot of so-called MAGAs also want better healthcare and less inflation and to live a decently comfortable life, but many are confused on how to get there. Saying that everyone else that doesn't share your thought process and values is "scum!" is basically just another form of taking the easy way out and a big reason why democrats will keep losing elections unless they wake the **** up. 

 

Kamala's campaign was alienating her OWN BASE, which is why turn out for her was in the pits, and you think she could have appealed to radicalized right wing folk with the same tired empty politician talk?  

[perfect blue]

Musk put a massive target on his back by making himself chief enemy of nearly every political faction in America. Will he live to see 2026?

[perfect blue]

1 hour ago, LustSpell said:

People sympathizing with MAGA in here and then were angry with Kamala during the campaign trying to court said alienated Republicans, but saying Democrats are missing out NOW by not trying to convert MAGA. Am I missing something here?

 

Like, I'm legitimately confused. I'm not trying to use this as a gotcha, but I don't know how we arrived here. Why are we trying to court scum? We were saying it was pointless 2-3 months ago because they would die before voting Democrat

This is very palpable moment for MAGAts, who are pissed about being betrayed by the richest man on the planet.

 

This is quite literally the perfect opportunity to imbue class consciousness in the far right, I don't know if we'll get a better opportunity. Left or right, we are now very close to sharing the same opinion that Musk and billionaires' unchecked greed must be stopped. I'm willing to set my differences aside and work with these people to accomplish that.

[MattieB]

1 hour ago, Jack! said:

I feel so blasé about this, because it's losers on losers and still not an overall win to leveraging the scale of morality in an America where Donald Trump is the metaphorical bus driver. Elon has shown questionable stances on many issues, but I don't believe he wouldn't have known MAGA wouldn't have liked him speaking positively on the H-1B visa scheme, and even if this is showing he maybe has somewhat of a minuscule moral compass still inside of him, it hardly makes him a left wing saviour against the MAGAts.

 

He took grace in turning Twitter/X into a MAGA playground to help propagate the election. It's only an insight into the upcoming repercussions of another 4 years of Trump in office. This feels like someone turning to you for sympathy because they burned their hand because they put it in a pot of boiling water to see what happens. Like am I supposed to feel bad for anyone in this situation? No. You did this to yourself.

That's what i said, we're caught in the stupidity crossfire

[fromily]

1 hour ago, LustSpell said:

People sympathizing with MAGA in here and then were angry with Kamala during the campaign trying to court said alienated Republicans, but saying Democrats are missing out NOW by not trying to convert MAGA. Am I missing something here?

 

Like, I'm legitimately confused. I'm not trying to use this as a gotcha, but I don't know how we arrived here. Why are we trying to court scum? We were saying it was pointless 2-3 months ago because they would die before voting Democrat

it's america. it's not about convincing people to vote for the other side, it's about subtly encouraging them not to vote at all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ worked amazing for the anti-kamala campaign~

[MattieB]

Just now, perfect blue said:

This is very palpable moment for MAGAts, who are pissed about being betrayed by the richest man on the planet.

 

This is quite literally the perfect opportunity to imbue class consciousness in the far right, I don't know if we'll get a better opportunity. Left or right, we are now very close to sharing the same opinion that Musk and billionaires' unchecked greed must be stopped. I'm willing to set my differences aside and work with these people to accomplish that.

The right operates with vertical morality, either it'll virtually be impossible or extremely difficult to do

[fromily]

13 minutes ago, perfect blue said:

Musk put a massive target on his back by making himself chief enemy of nearly every political faction in America. Will he live to see 2026?

well every (semi-sensible) rich person under the sun will have increased their personal security ten-thousand fold and will be limiting their public appearances rn for obvious reasons... but the muskrat is not a semi-sensible person so who even knows atp?

[MattieB]

1 hour ago, AMIT said:

Aren't liberals the ones always yapping about how expecing the president to be the nation savior is naive, how we should shut up and vote for the supposed lesser evil and also the ones that just got handed the biggest L in the latest election? It's not about "sympathizing with MAGA!!1!!" but rather about legitimately trying to understand what makes people actually become radicalized to the right and at least trying to see if anything can be done about it to reverse it. Have you missed one of the biggest political events of the year with the recent CEO murder and how shocked people were over how unifying such outcome was? This may shock you but deep down, a lot of so-called MAGAs also want better healthcare and less inflation and to live a decently comfortable life, but many are confused on how to get there. Saying that everyone else that doesn't share your thought process and values is "scum!" is basically just another form of taking the easy way out and a big reason why democrats will keep losing elections unless they wake the **** up. 

 

Kamala's campaign was alienating her OWN BASE, which is why turn out for her was in the pits, and you think she could have appealed to radicalized right wing folk with the same tired empty politician talk?  

Oh ******* please lmao. Trying to reason with or understand where these morons are coming from is literally futile. It's vertical morality, you'll never be able to get through to them. 

What form of radicalization makes you COMPLETELY write off other people's rights for your own best interest, every single person that voted for that man voted out of HATE first, Latinos for Trump don't want other Latino immigrants here, blacks for Trump are rampant c**ns who shuck and jive for a metaphorical seat at the table (and also to keep other black people off the table), gays for Trump think they're the special ones who can't be harmed so they send their ire to trans people, Arabs for Trump think they're set apart from the terrorists Maga brands them as on the daily, women for Trump are just doormats for their husbands and follow everything they say and do and finally the big bad white men want white supremacy back on top. 

And there were signs, Trump winning, the miss universe win, Jake Paul "defeating" Mike Tyson the black legend etc and this is just the beginning. 

Sometimes we have to fight fire with direct fire, the hand holding to explain why black people need dei, women need abortion rights etc is tired. THEY KNOW, they just don't care, they want as much chaos as possible. 

Yes, we did see the left and right come together to condemn the media for focusing on the sympathy for Brian Thompson. But most of the support for Luigi came from the left, this is a fact. Alot of the right from social media slowly changed their tune to the fact that he's a murderer and need to be put down. They will ALWAYS be the problem. 

The empathy can be brought back to them but it'd be extremely difficult, they'd have to be reprogrammed basically 

Edited 17 hours ago by MattieB

[perfect blue]

12 minutes ago, MattieB said:

The right operates with vertical morality, either it'll virtually be impossible or extremely difficult to do

In any case, everyone now views Musk as a pest and it'll be entertaining to see him eradicated.

[Communion]

3 hours ago, LustSpell said:

People sympathizing with MAGA in here and then were angry with Kamala during the campaign trying to court said alienated Republicans, but saying Democrats are missing out NOW by not trying to convert MAGA. Am I missing something here?

Yes, absolutely. It's crazy that liberals claim to hate Republicans yet don't understand who they are or what their various factions believe.

 

The "moderate" anti-Trump wing of the party that Harris tried to court with Liz Cheney endorsements is not whom is mad at Elon. Liz Cheney conservatives are the exact same type of person as Elon who still chose manipulating populist rage for their libertarian, pro-capitalist goals. 

 

Also...didn't liberals claim Harris lost due to Biden -> Trump converts and not just people staying home? And now you're trying to suggest it's wrong to want to convert and bring those voters who flipped due to the economy back home?

 

It's genuinely a skills issue if anyone thinks people want to convert Laura Loomer to a Dem and can't grasp why it will be bad for Dems if Elon Musk successfully converts populist rage from nativist anti-corporatism to accepting the already existing status quo of "illegal immigration that hurts workers = bad, legal immigration that hurts workers = good". That Trump would now have to do essentially nothing to achieve a reality his voters can claim aligns with what he promised. You actually DONT want struggling middle class reactionaries to accept a reality of "the billionaire is right, my situation will improve if we do trickle-down economics by allowing the rich to innovate American industry with as many foreign-born workers as possible! Trump made my life better without actually needing to materially improve it! Thanks Trump!!"

 

That there are a segment of voters who flipped from Biden to Trump who genuinely believe their economic position is worse off due to such type of legal migration as Trump claimed *and thus actually oppose it on the grounds of economic resentment and not racist caricatures* proves there is a class issue at the core of Trump's faux-populism and this elite liberal race reductionism that brands people as epistemologically evil for falling for Trump's lies on migration without offering alternative solutions for their pain is exactly why Dems lost in 2016 and 2024 to begin with. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Communion

[Sannie]

Indian Americans being like, "but when you said you hated non-whites, I thought we were an exception!"  

 

Anyways, Trump is a coward for not saying anything about this. A true leader would scold Elon and Vivek for shaming their base... Elon must have something big on Trump that's keeping him quiet.

[XDNA]

These are the MAGAts some think we should be appealing to? (and there's even more unhinged posts on twitter)

 

[Communion]

3 hours ago, Jack! said:

feel so blasé about this, because it's losers on losers and still not an overall win to leveraging the scale of morality in an America where Donald Trump is the metaphorical bus driver. Elon has shown questionable stances on many issues, but I don't believe he wouldn't have known MAGA wouldn't have liked him speaking positively on the H-1B visa scheme, and even if this is showing he maybe has somewhat of a minuscule moral compass still inside of him, it hardly makes him a left wing saviour against the MAGAts.

I find this perspective as fascinating as I find it perplexing. 

 

Elon Musk isn't trying to position himself to the left of the nativist MAGA right.

 

Musk isn't an anti-racist. He's not interested in some vision of racially diverse workplaces. His support for the very kind of H1-B visa scheme being discussed starts and stops with whatever maximizes his profits. 

 

That one can view Musk as somehow more compassionate in his desire to braindrain foreign nations while purposefully shortchanging American-born workers shows a misunderstanding of why billionaires like Musk support these visa programs to begin with. 

 

That some of these foreign-born, high-skilled workers Musk wants to mass import (and then exploit) just happen by chance to not be white doesn't make the corporate class like Musk somehow progressive. 

 

It's Musk trying to reshape nativist resentment that scapegoats migrants via racism into a still-racist entity that is friendly to corporate needs for foreign labor. See him and Vivek essentially going "no, you're confused, foreign-born Indians are NOT like the degenerate and low-culture lazy black Americans we SHOULD hate. Foreign-born, non-black degreed workers are actually good minorities unlike the low skilled migrants and black Americans we should hate!!!".

Edited 15 hours ago by Communion

[cuteboyzay]

1 hour ago, MattieB said:

Oh ******* please lmao. Trying to reason with or understand where these morons are coming from is literally futile. It's vertical morality, you'll never be able to get through to them. 

What form of radicalization makes you COMPLETELY write off other people's rights for your own best interest, every single person that voted for that man voted out of HATE first, Latinos for Trump don't want other Latino immigrants here, blacks for Trump are rampant c**ns who shuck and jive for a metaphorical seat at the table (and also to keep other black people off the table), gays for Trump think they're the special ones who can't be harmed so they send their ire to trans people, Arabs for Trump think they're set apart from the terrorists Maga brands them as on the daily, women for Trump are just doormats for their husbands and follow everything they say and do and finally the big bad white men want white supremacy back on top. 

And there were signs, Trump winning, the miss universe win, Jake Paul "defeating" Mike Tyson the black legend etc and this is just the beginning. 

Sometimes we have to fight fire with direct fire, the hand holding to explain why black people need dei, women need abortion rights etc is tired. THEY KNOW, they just don't care, they want as much chaos as possible. 

Yes, we did see the left and right come together to condemn the media for focusing on the sympathy for Brian Thompson. But most of the support for Luigi came from the left, this is a fact. Alot of the right from social media slowly changed their tune to the fact that he's a murderer and need to be put down. They will ALWAYS be the problem. 

The empathy can be brought back to them but it'd be extremely difficult, they'd have to be reprogrammed basically 

Gag it. 

[Communion]

22 minutes ago, XDNA said:

These are the MAGAts some think we should be appealing to?

No, you gotta worry about the below first, sorry!

 

 

[cuteboyzay]

I think this thing entirely shows why no matter what, the POCs/YT people that voted Republican this time around were def bottom of the barrel in terms of comprehension skills. Because the fact that these people are JUST NOW realizing that the current ideology of the Republican is in fact and indeed RACIST and SEXIST all around is hysterical. 
 

"I've recently been having trouble supporting the Republican Party because of how Racist/Sexist they can be."

B*tch where have you been the last 4 YEARS!? Gosh, this sh*t is so sad yet so funny. 
 

And why tf would Democrats court MAGA!? You need to tell that to the Republicans not the Democrats. Democrats would probably be more than willing to, it's the current Republicans that have the issue with working with ANYBODY. Even their own peers. 

Edited 15 hours ago by cuteboyzay

[Communion]

We've reached peak neoliberal brain rot if anyone can walk away from this kind of internal conflict amongst the modern right with the takeaway of "I don't have much sympathy here...but Dems should run on uncapping H-1B visas to re-win high income non-white demographics, though they should have always known Trump's racism included them".

 

Dems didn't lose rich people. There's probably actually too many high-income people over-represented in the party to begin with. Thus the inability of rank and file Dems to view such conflict as an opportunity to completely discredit America First nativism by showing voters fueled by economic resenent (and non-voters who sat out due to economic doomerism) that MAGA's populism was never actually populism and that income inequality can only actually be addressed via progressive policy. 

Edited 14 hours ago by Communion

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