base talk Is Madonna more respectable than Taylor?

[mxoonlight]

Asks forum of millennial gays if Madonna is more respectable than X. The answer may shock you!

[Gladiator]

Although I have a bias for Taylor, it would be really silly to suggest that she is not. In fact, I would say Madonna is not only more respectable but more respected, given the fact that she pretty much paved the way through a ton of risk taking (both in regards to the music she put out at the time, but what she said and what she stood for) for all women within music, not just within mainstream pop music. Although I think her public image in the rise of social media has taken a bit of a hit, it will never undo the legacy she paved.

 

 

Edited Thursday at 11:05 PM by Gladiator

[loveisdead9582]

It all depends on someone's criteria. as far as cultural impact and longevity go, it's Madonna. Taylor's presence and sales cannot be denied and considering she's about to overtake Madonna's sales after only 16/17 years it's certainly impressive. I don't understand why people can't respect both women for being incredibly successful.

[Capris Groove]

While it's not totally fair to say that Taylor has taken no risks, she can't be compared to Madonna, who essentially broke so much new ground and paved so many new paths that she should not have had the career longevity and success that she has. Sorry but 1) taking on the Catholic church, and 2) releasing a sex book are two things that should have ended her career overnight. But somehow she's blazed through everything (and still does) which is remarkable.

 

I really like Taylor. The Eras tour was one of the most fun concerts I've ever been to, and I think it's amazing that she's only getting bigger 15+ years into her career. It's awesome to see a woman accomplish so much. But Madonna wrote the blueprint of the female music star, and it hasn't really been changed since she did it.

 

[Punky Rooster]

59 minutes ago, loveisdead9582 said:

It all depends on someone's criteria. as far as cultural impact and longevity go, it's Madonna. Taylor's presence and sales cannot be denied and considering she's about to overtake Madonna's sales after only 16/17 years it's certainly impressive. I don't understand why people can't respect both women for being incredibly successful.

She isn't though, Taylor hasn't sold anywhere near as much as Madonna. 

[$ebert]

Taylor could never beat Madonna, stop trying.

 

Madonna is a legend and nobody will touch her crown as an artist, innovator, performer, gender breaking performer, that's why she's the queen. Taylor is popular, that's it. 

[Chris]

3 hours ago, Solaria said:

But is Madonna's position as the top selling female artist more respectable

Oh yes.

 

Anyone that says otherwise is delusional.

[BlahBlahBlah]

As far as I am concerned Taylor only has sales. She is creatively stunted and her singer/songwriter shtick has run its course, the GP fatigue will set in soon enough if she can't evolve beyond these mid albums. 

 

Madonna around the same age as Taylor is now was putting out masterpieces, LAP, Erotica, and even ROL at 40 YEARS OLD. Her artistry wasn't even beginning to slow down. 

[Maleficent]

2 hours ago, mxoonlight said:

Asks forum of millennial gays if Madonna is more respectable than X. The answer may shock you!

Girl shut up. You're on a forum in 2024, I don't know what demographic y'all are expecting

[LOTF]

Lmao the whole point of Taylor is playing into respectability politics. This is why her music is perceived the way it is. Madonna will never be about that life

[dumbsparce]

I'm sure the same was asked when Madonna overtook whoever was the best-selling female artist before her: "X did it without acting like a whh0re and promoting promiscuity". It really doesn't matter bc not only did they emerge under completely different cultural circumstances but they are also nothing alike as artists. Madonna will forever remain the most important female artist of all time no matter how many times she gets outsold.

Edited yesterday at 01:59 AM by dumbsparce

[loveisdead9582]

2 hours ago, Punky Rooster said:

She isn't though, Taylor hasn't sold anywhere near as much as Madonna. 

Am I misreading the OP? Or is it incorrect? Not trying to be rude or anything. Im just curious. 

[Bimbo]

7 hours ago, PaloSanto said:

Taylor is a singer-

[AshleyLovescats887]

None of them are. Gracie Abrams is more respectable than both. The actual Madonna, Taylor Swift AND Joni Mitchell of our generation.

[Soda Pop Queen]

Madonna has never been "respectable" by society's standards but her career will always hold more weight and be among the most respected in the arts.

 

[808dream]

Madonna had hits and massive sales when streaming wasn't even thought as possible, people had to physically go out and buy her stuff.

Comparing retail sales with Spotify streamings is crazy, it's like comparing a huge TRex fossile skeleton to an AI rendering, it's truly 2 diff things.

 

[AvadaKedavra]

I love taylor and all the white popgirls deeply but..........
 

 

[MatiRod]

It gets a bit silly when you try to compare streaming equivalent albums to album sales tbh. Who the hell knows how many streams Madonna would've been getting during her similar peak era of Blond Ambition Tour and Immaculate Collection.

[LikeaRebel]

Yes.

[Kimi]

well who won 4 albums of the year and has the biggest tour of all time

Edited 18 hours ago by Kimi

[cuteboyzay]

Why do Swifties ALWAYS have to bring up sales when it comes to anythingggg. Gosh it's so TIRING trying to get y'all to understand, no matter how much she sells, unless Taylor actually takes risks, stood up for marginalized communities, and didn't heavily align her self with so many right wing/republicans she would ACTUALLY gain some respect.

 

The answer is No. Taylor will not be as respectable as Madonna, unless that stuff changes. Madonna managed to sell upwards of 400-500M records while being incredibly grating and speaking up for so many social injustices. Dedicated whole projects to them, and STILL managed to sell insane. Without endless variants, without streaming, without playing it safe. No matter how much Taylor sells she will never have the same level of respect as Madonna or many other legends for that matter. Please stop asking these questions, they're so tiring. 

Edited 16 hours ago by cuteboyzay

[BnPac]

Those threads are just meant to downplay Taylor and get her dragged. 

 

Madonna deserves all the respect and we all love her for it but let the current popstars also exist and spray their wings. 

Edited 17 hours ago by BnPac

[RoyalT]

This thread is kinda pointless.

This is a question for 15-20 years at least after Taylor's peak, which who knows for how many more years it'll last.

During Madonna's peak she wasn't very respected, but it's irrelevant now. It's all about the legacy you create eventually.

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Sidenote, people in this thread still focusing on ~selling~ in this day and age will never fail to amuse me.

[RoyalT]

1 hour ago, cuteboyzay said:

Why do Swifties ALWAYS have to bring up sales when it comes to anythingggg. Gosh it's so TIRING trying to get y'all to understand, no matter how much she sells, unless Taylor actually takes risks, stood up for marginalized communities, and didn't heavily align her self with so many right wing/republicans she would ACTUALLY gain some respect.

 

The answer is No, and will always be "No"  unless that changes. Madonna managed to sell upwards of 400-500M records while being incredibly grating and speaking up for so many social injustices. Dedicated whole projects to them, and STILL managed to sell insane. Without endless variants, without streaming, without playing it safe. No matter how much Taylor sells she will never have the same level of respect as Madonna or many other legends for that matter. Please stop asking these questions, they're so tiring. 

There's more than one path to fame and legendary status.

[Mr. Stratus]

13 hours ago, Solaria said:

Soon Taylor will overtake Madonna as the best selling female artist of all time. We all know it, it's a matter of when, not if.

 

But is Madonna's position as the top selling female artist more respectable then when Taylor takes the crown, considering Madonna took much more artistic risks and didn't have social media and streaming tactics at the play of her hand? Discuss 

Both known as mediocre singers and actresses. However, Taylor has multiple AOTY wins and an Emmy. On balance, Taylor is more respected. 

Edited 17 hours ago by Mr. Stratus