news Trump: day 1 will ban trans people from military, schools and gender affirming care

[808dream]

9 hours ago, Dera said:

that was staged boss, I'm so certain

It might be, putting his own life at risk for propaganda is in line with the craziness of his words and actions. 

 

Are there any real proof or footage of the shooter being killed? 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, XDNA said:

Keep writing nonsensical essays for the next 10 years to support your online persona.

Not that coming from someone who has essays upon essays yelling at people that Joe Biden for years was as sharp as a tack. 

 

This was you *back in March* saying people were "MAGA Lite" for wanting an actual primary because Joe Biden's approvals were ih the toilet. 

 

On 3/16/2024 at 12:38 AM, XDNA said:

If you want to feel self-righteous by supporting a non-winnable candidate just so you don't vote Biden that's fine. Just come out and say that. But you'd also be a Trump MAGA-enabler. 

Months - years! - spent gaslighting and attacking people in defense of a deeply unpopular candidates who we now know didn't know where he was most of the time. 

 

"He has a stutter!!!"  Genuinely have some shame and slide back into the shadows. No one's trying to enact change from a forum, most certainly not people like you who stood by Biden's side via lies.

[l3disko]

19 hours ago, Leppie said:

Wonder how the Trans MAGA people will twist this...

No more than OP twisting it - making it seem like Trump made this brand new announcement that he's going to "deny trans people from getting an education in school" and "ban gender affirming care completely", like many people here seem to think. That is not the case, and this thread honestly pisses me off with the misinformation.

 

No, Blaire White and Trans MAGA isn't going to have a meltdown over this because they... like 95% of the trans community isn't going to be effected by this. Stop the hysterias, research further, and stop jumping to conclusions before y'all give yourselves self-endued strokes.

 

Trans people deal with enough without people creating these fake narratives.

 

and don't call yourself pro-trans if you're manipulatively creating stress onto trans people for the sake of furthering an anti-Trump message.

[ClashAndBurn]

3 minutes ago, Blade Runner said:

Y'all are gonna get what you're so desperate looking for. Congrats! 

And democrats don't deserve to win the presidency again. Especially since they're extremely likely to nominate this talentless hack yet again in 2028.

 

Democrats are ADDICTED to losing. It's so sad to watch

[Prodigal Self]

18 hours ago, XDNA said:

This whataboutism is a false equivalence.

 

Biden or Harris could've been bald, ugly, or had bad teeth. Had either won trans people would not be facing bans in the military or schools or care.

What is even your point? They didn't and they wouldn't because nobody wanted to vote for them??

[Kimbra]

2 hours ago, Suilen said:

I guess all the Somebody That I Used to Know royalties dried up.

Let's hope the engagements on ATRL are enough to keep the T's fed and sheltered.

[XDNA]

58 minutes ago, Communion said:

Not that coming from someone who has essays upon essays yelling at people that Joe Biden for years was as sharp as a tack. 

 

Eh? I don't recall writing essays on ATRL of all places, because I hardly put any effort here (mainly because the site is so buggy). However, the little attention I give appears to really ruffle your angel feathers. 

58 minutes ago, Communion said:

This was you *back in March* saying people were "MAGA Lite" for wanting an actual primary because Joe Biden's approvals were ih the toilet. 

 

Based on historical data incumbent candidates have an advantage. Me favoring him back then, (before we knew all the stuff we know now) has nothing to with him. It has to do with wanting to win the election and stopping Trump. Some of us understood the assignment.

58 minutes ago, Communion said:

 Months - years! - spent gaslighting and attacking people in defense of a deeply unpopular candidates who we now know didn't know where he was most of the time. 

 

"He has a stutter!!!"  Genuinely have some shame and slide back into the shadows. No one's trying to enact change from a forum, most certainly not people like you who stood by Biden's side via lies.

And here again you're telling someone that doesn't share your POV to shut up. That reveals more about your fragile narrowmindedness than it does about anyone else.

 

There's something very creepy about digging through people's old posts to find some out-of-context and out dated information for a gotcha moment. I pity you for wasting your time on that. I could do the same to you, but it's Christmas week and I have better uses for my time.

Edited yesterday at 05:03 AM by XDNA

[Sergi91]

7 hours ago, Sergi91 said:

The left was too focused on genocide abroad and forgot we will have problems domestically with a second Trump term. Well here we are. 

Everyone who unlikes this is in denial. 
All of you are up for a joyride starting at the end of next month. 
And where is mother darling Jill Stein? 

[Démodé]

5 hours ago, Into The Void said:

Unfortunately life's not fair and we don't always get what we want.

Tell this to Palestinians who are being slaughtered with your (and my) money.

[XDNA]

3 hours ago, Démodé said:

Tell this to Palestinians who are being slaughtered with your (and my) money.

I suggest you approach voting as a strategic process instead of exclusively a moral one. 

 

I recommend reading about Ruwa Romman's thoughts on voting:

https://19thnews.org/2024/10/ruwa-romman-georgia-gaza-election/

 

If you are looking for the perfect politician to fix and save everything, that's never going to happen. But if you view politics as sort of a board where you've got all these pieces and you're trying to move them in the best direction possible as you do other work, I think we can really, really change things, and that's why I wanted to get to a point where we stop arguing about whether or not we should vote. The right doesn't argue about whether or not they should vote. They just vote.

Edited 18 hours ago by XDNA

[Pop]

Congratulations to everyone who normalised this fascist and spent the last 4 years dragging Biden and Kamala. 

 

I hope you can sleep at night knowing what you've done and what's going to happen. 

 

edit: I see the regular Leftist Bernie Bro's are STILL doing it in this thread. They won't be happy until we're all burning in a concentration camp i guess 

Edited 18 hours ago by Pop

[Communion]

7 hours ago, XDNA said:

There's something very creepy about digging through people's old posts to find some out-of-context and out dated information for a gotcha moment. I pity you for wasting your time on that. I could do the same to you, but it's Christmas week and I have better uses for my time.

girl... you STARTED this and are doubling down on trying to FINISH IT by telling random people that they have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS. 

 

You're complaining about my rhetoric as unfair or mean and aggressive, seemingly unaware that I am literally just turning back your own logic on you.

 

It's concerning that you're such a Democratic partisan that you can't or refuse to see that plain fact. 

 

I blame the people with power for losing - you seemingly blame people with no power at all *except* for yourself? Voters apparently need to know better but you had no way of knowing the man with the slurred speech and brain fog was sun-downing and thus your blind support for him is somehow defensible?

 

"Incumbent advantage!!!" - girl... he had historical negative approvals *before* his dementia-ridden debate. 

 

Even now, as Trump declares his aims to essentially eliminate trans people, you have more anger for the people *actually* defending trans people while having nothing to say towards the elected officials with your same ideology and partisanship like Seth Moulton or Collin Alred trying to throw trans CHILDREN under the bus.

[XDNA]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

girl... you STARTED this and are doubling down on trying to FINISH IT by telling random people that they have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS. 

 

You're complaining about my rhetoric as unfair or mean and aggressive, seemingly unaware that I am literally just turning back your own logic on you.

 

 

I'm pointing out the irony here of the online performative purists. Turns out they're not as pure as they want to believe, because their actions contributed to benefitting Trump, thus the harm and suffering of LGBT people and multitudes of other people as well.

 

1 hour ago, Communion said:

 

I blame the people with power for losing - you seemingly blame people with no power at all *except* for yourself? Voters apparently need to know better but you had no way of knowing the man with the slurred speech and brain fog was sun-downing and thus your blind support for him is somehow defensible?

 

"Incumbent advantage!!!" - girl... he had historical negative approvals *before* his dementia-ridden debate. 

 

There's plenty of blame to go around for the current outcome. I have blamed the DNC and Biden as well. And I have made posts about that previously. 

 

And I'm ALSO laying blame at the electorate because in this election EVERYONE knew what the alternative was.

And despite this many Leftists were chronically online attacking Harris to demoralize voter turnout, so yes, they too contributed to the outcome.

 

 

1 hour ago, Communion said:

Even now, as Trump declares his aims to essentially eliminate trans people, you have more anger for the people *actually* defending trans people while having nothing to say towards the elected officials with your same ideology and partisanship like Seth Moulton or Collin Alred trying to throw trans CHILDREN under the bus.

People defending trans people after they voted against their interests? Gee, that sure is helpful. 

 

And no, now Trump is the incoming president and the most influential and powerful person, so that is my focus. Not some random members of congress. Notice I don't make threads about random Republican congress members either. I know you're still fixated on Harris, seeing your latest thread, so you do you.

 

Edited 16 hours ago by XDNA

[Communion]

41 minutes ago, XDNA said:

because their actions contributed to benefitting Trump

And you're being told this view of yours is objectively incorrect and that it's insane to suggest blame is somehow applicable to anyone besides the people with the $1b war chest who blew it all and let nearly 90% of the country shift right. 

 

There's no irony. There's no avenue for your weird "dunk" on anyone. 

 

You're the one who got exactly what they wanted. 

 

You got the candidate you wanted. 

You got the kind of campaign you wanted. 

You got the kind of coalition you wanted. 

Or, at least, the establishment you defend got everything they wanted. And it didn't work. 

 

Trans people are going to die under Trump and Biden and Harris did everything in their power to seemingly help his ascension to power. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Communion

[Prodigal Self]

3 hours ago, Pop said:

Congratulations to everyone who normalised this fascist and spent the last 4 years dragging Biden and Kamala. 

 

I hope you can sleep at night knowing what you've done and what's going to happen. 

 

edit: I see the regular Leftist Bernie Bro's are STILL doing it in this thread. They won't be happy until we're all burning in a concentration camp i guess 

Well you're gonna have to thank Hillary Clinton for that (whom you adore very much, I'm sure)

I'm not gonna entertain the rest since you're not even American

[XDNA]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

And you're being told this view of yours is objectively incorrect and that it's insane to suggest blame is somehow applicable to anyone besides the people with the $1b war chest who blew it all and let nearly 90% of the country shift right. 

 

There's no irony. There's no avenue for your weird "dunk" on anyone. 

 

You're the one who got exactly what they wanted. 

 

You got the candidate you wanted. 

You got the kind of campaign you wanted. 

You got the kind of coalition you wanted. 

Or, at least, the establishment you defend got everything they wanted. And it didn't work. 

 

Trans people are going to die under Trump and Biden and Harris did everything in their power to seemingly help his ascension to power. 

 

 

 

I nor anyone that voted for Kamala got what we wanted from the election outcome.

 

It was the online performative left that made statements like:

• "Kamala is just as bad or worse than Trump."
• "I want Kamala to lose to teach liberals a lesson."
• "Americans deserve Trump."

ATRL users remember these statements. Even if now many leftists deny or deflect these. 

The online performative left purists got what they wanted - a Trump presidency. Own it.

 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by XDNA

[on the line]

10 hours ago, XDNA said:

Eh? I don't recall writing essays on ATRL of all places, because I hardly put any effort here (mainly because the site is so buggy). However, the little attention I give appears to really ruffle your angel feathers. 

Based on historical data incumbent candidates have an advantage. Me favoring him back then, (before we knew all the stuff we know now) has nothing to with him. It has to do with wanting to win the election and stopping Trump. Some of us understood the assignment.

And here again you're telling someone that doesn't share your POV to shut up. That reveals more about your fragile narrowmindedness than it does about anyone else.

 

There's something very creepy about digging through people's old posts to find some out-of-context and out dated information for a gotcha moment. I pity you for wasting your time on that. I could do the same to you, but it's Christmas week and I have better uses for my time.

That poster is a creep. I only see its post when people quote it. Ignore it please so I don't have to be reminded of its creepiness. I wish the ignore feature actually worked on this forum.

[XDNA]

12 minutes ago, on the line said:

That poster is a creep. I only see its post when people quote it. Ignore it please so I don't have to be reminded of its creepiness. I wish the ignore feature actually worked on this forum.

You're absolutely right! I gave that person the benefit of the doubt for far too long. Let me gift myself some peace by adding them to the ignore list.

[Chemist]

22 hours ago, a_d_22 said:

The reason Kamala lost is because most of the US is economically illiterate and think good business man = good for the economy even though he's a terrible businessman and his economic policies are terrible for a lot of the people who voted for him. If Kamala would've run on an anti-Israel platform and some of those far left ideals Trump would've won more than 400 electoral votes.

Nah she lost because everyone hated Biden and they didn't trust the democrats to run the country again

[Chemist]

Blaming leftists for Kamala's loss is an easy scapegoat. If this is the Democrats' takeaway from the election, they will continue losing FOREVER and it will be deserved. 

[on the line]

39 minutes ago, XDNA said:

You're absolutely right! I gave that person the benefit of the doubt for far too long. Let me gift myself some peace by adding them to the ignore list.

Enjoy your merry little Christmas <3

[I♥Toronto]

My trans girlfriend died on the 13th. I'm glad she doesn't have to deal with this crap. She got lucky.

[ClashAndBurn]

9 hours ago, Pop said:

Congratulations to everyone who normalised this fascist and spent the last 4 years dragging Biden and Kamala. 

 

I hope you can sleep at night knowing what you've done and what's going to happen. 

 

edit: I see the regular Leftist Bernie Bro's are STILL doing it in this thread. They won't be happy until we're all burning in a concentration camp i guess 

Liberal smooth brain: How DARE you say anything negative about Biden and Harris

 

Girl, this garbage doesn't work anymore

[rac7d]

On 12/23/2024 at 3:57 AM, Onyxmage said:

You cant ban American citizens from attending school.

They can't and they wont

 

but they will take whatever gender you had at birth and Proably keep that on your paperwork, so if you can get over that He's not doing much. If you are disrespected beyond that it's harassment, which won't be tolerated.

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, rac7d said:

They can't and they wont

 

but they will take whatever gender you had at birth and Proably keep that on your paperwork, so if you can get over that He's not doing much. If you are disrespected beyond that it's harassment, which won't be tolerated.

I'd imagine it also bans social transitioning as well, so preferred pronouns won't be permitted. Also strict enforcement of dress codes and bathrooms to ban crossdressing for boys and making sure students use the bathroom corresponding to their assigned gender at birth (which most schools would deem the best option for them both for safety reasons and legal purposes).

 

Does refusal to address a student by his or her preferred pronouns constitute harassment? That depends on courts, but in a world where Trump rescinds the Biden Title IX expansion including transgender protections, my guess would be no.

 

In short, they're not banning trans children from going to school. They're banning the ability to identify as trans while at school.

 

In order to ban trans teachers from working at schools, the Supreme Court would need to overturn Bostock v. Clayton County. A 2019 case that was a 6-3 decision. And Chief Justice Roberts would need to either reverse his decision on that case or retire and be replaced by another Trump appointment in the near future. As it is now, assuming the votes are the same, Bostock would be upheld by a 5-4 or 6-3 margin depending on Amy Coney Barrett.

Edited 6 hours ago by ClashAndBurn