news Trump: day 1 will ban trans people from military, schools and gender affirming care

[on the line]

2 minutes ago, Démodé said:

Like that wasn't ready to happen either way on some states already? Do you live in America or under a rock?

 

US has been taking the conservative turn for a long time now.

So... you wanted a more progressive candiate? I'm confused. 

[Minto]

why is the average left voter being blamed for the candidate they voted for losing, am i missing something  

[Démodé]

1 minute ago, on the line said:

So... you wanted a more progressive candiate? I'm confused. 

I would like a candidate who's explicitly against genocide, pro-choice, pro-abolitionism, pro-reproductive rights, pro-trans, among other things.

 

Queer rights were in peril in specific states, even when Trump was not president. Abortion rights as well, and bodily autonomy rights in general. Apart from that, the Biden administration continuously defended ongoing genocides happening literally anywhere. 

 

I would never vote for Kamala (let alone endorse her) cause "she's no Trump". These are capitalist impasses, like I wrote on another post before.

[on the line]

4 hours ago, RoseGold said:

all that doesn't change the fact that the mass campaign on social media discouraging people to vote for Kamala worked well, too well. It sucks living in a reality where the blue candidate isn't what the people truly deserve but now we are stuck with 4 years of this plus the damage he will go that will be here decades to come.

You did a better job conveying my feelings than I did.

 

Nobody wanted Harris, including me. Some of us just understood the assignment better than others.

[Jay07]

3 minutes ago, Démodé said:

I would like a candidate who's explicitly against genocide, pro-choice, pro-abolitionism, pro-reproductive rights, pro-trans, among other things.

 

Queer rights were in peril in specific states, even when Trump was not president. Abortion rights as well, and bodily autonomy rights in general. Apart from that, the Biden administration continuously defended ongoing genocides happening literally anywhere. 

 

I would never vote for Kamala (let alone endorse her) cause "she's no Trump". These are capitalist impasses, like I wrote on another post before.

Well congrats, you made your point, you are morally pure and really stuck it to capitalists. 

 

Or maybe sometimes you should vote for someone who isn't perfect but at least wouldn't ban trans people from schools or from getting the healthcare they need. 

[on the line]

4 minutes ago, Démodé said:

I would like a candidate who's explicitly against genocide, pro-choice, pro-abolitionism, pro-reproductive rights, pro-trans, among other things.

 

Queer rights were in peril in specific states, even when Trump was not president. Abortion rights as well, and bodily autonomy rights in general. Apart from that, the Biden administration continuously defended ongoing genocides happening literally anywhere. 

 

I would never vote for Kamala (let alone endorse her) cause "she's no Trump". These are capitalist impasses, like I wrote on another post before.

I'd love all those things too, but that's just not what we had as an option in our country's two-party system that this election was. Oh well, election is over, and now we all will deal with the consequences.

 

I'm just thinking of my trans friends today, not about politics and winning an argument or who is right or more morally superior. 

[Démodé]

1 minute ago, Jay07 said:

Well congrats, you made your point, you are morally pure and really stuck it to capitalists. 

 

Or maybe sometimes you should vote for someone who isn't perfect but at least wouldn't ban trans people from schools or from getting the healthcare they need. 

 

3 minutes ago, on the line said:

I'd love all those things too, but that's just not what we had as an option in our country's two-party system that this election was. Oh well, election is over, and now we all will deal with the consequences.

 

I'm just thinking of my trans friends today, not about politics and winning an argument or who is right or more morally superior. 

I never said that I feel morally superior to those who voted for sth I don't. I'm talking about my own conscience, no-one else's. 

 

And those arguments like "congrats, now watch trans people be banned from schools" just don't work. You need to be reminded that Roe v Wade was overturned during Dem administration because of Supreme Justices that were appointed by Trump BECAUSE the lifelong "liberal progressive" RBG refused to step down while she was alive. 

 

Don't tell me that all other laws/bills that protect women and queer people were safe because we had a democratic administration.

[Jay07]

Yes, RBG should have been pressured to step down. Obama should have protected abortion like he said he would. But two wrongs don't make a right.

 

Anyway as @on the line said, I'm too sad to try scoring points or whatever this thread has been. I just don't know where we go from here. How did the world get so hateful. Why are they coming for us? 

[Communion]

10 minutes ago, Minto said:

why is the average left voter being blamed for the candidate they voted for losing, am i missing something  

Because privileged, high income people of all races took over the Democratic Party and made it a pro-corporate neoliberal party that explicitly rejects the needs of low income people and the bullshit finally stopped with this election, with Dems finally losing all the low income voters (many people of color) that their high income donors and consultants said would never not vote for Dems. 

 

So now we have to listen to people with the same economic background of who caused all of this scapegoat progressives because it turned out rich white women in suburbs aren't a reliable voting bloc. 

[PrettyHurts]

Well it's over 

 

but seriously how may thing is he claiming to achieve on day 1? 

[DAP]

Damn that's crazy. Begs the question why Kamala tried hard to solicit votes of people that support this. 

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[305]

What in the world

What does "banning from schools" mean? Like teachers or students or both??

[loveisdead9582]

3 hours ago, OBEY said:

Chappell voted for Kamala. 

You understand you can vote for someone without ENDORSING them? You can also vote for someone as the lesser evil but still recognize they're bad/trash on certain issues. It ain't all black or white.

THIS!!! Say it louder for the idiots in the back. I don't think that many of us truly wanted Biden or Kamala to take office. We went for the best realistic choice out there because we saw what happened the first time Trump took office. Unfortunately too many of the "leftists" cannot or will not comprehend this very simple fact. As someone who agrees with many 'leftist' ideas, there are some on here who are absolutely insufferable and refuse to have any sort of actual conversation. They will deflect, twist your words, or outright lie. Oh, and despite the Trump administration being the ones to enact these policies, it will somehow be all the democrats fault. Not those who voted for Trump or actively advocated against voting for Kamala, but the democrats and liberals. 
 

OT: … if you're able to leave the country, do it. If you're able to find what would be considered a safe space (ie city, town, community, etc) do that if you can't afford to leave. Get your passports up. If you're able to get your licenses changed and whatnot, do that too. It's going to be a bumpy ride for the next four years. 

[loveisdead9582]

1 hour ago, Démodé said:

I would like a candidate who's explicitly against genocide, pro-choice, pro-abolitionism, pro-reproductive rights, pro-trans, among other things.

 

Queer rights were in peril in specific states, even when Trump was not president. Abortion rights as well, and bodily autonomy rights in general. Apart from that, the Biden administration continuously defended ongoing genocides happening literally anywhere. 

 

I would never vote for Kamala (let alone endorse her) cause "she's no Trump". These are capitalist impasses, like I wrote on another post before.

I agree with just about everything you said in the bolded text. It's not just Trump that's the issue. It's the people around him who have far worse agendas and will now be in a position to actually try and make those agendas come to pass. It's the judges his administration will appoint having a long lasting negative effect on the country and our rights. It's the boldness that people felt to be openly hateful and engage in hate crimes and even an attempted coup/treason - some of whom will likely be pardoned and allowed to walk amongst society again. There hasn't really been a great option since Bernie was running in the democratic primary in 2016 and we saw how the DNC messed that up.
 

That said, there was a clear lesser evil here where things would either a) have stayed the same or b) might have seen some of the more troublesome individuals age out. Trump had said he wouldn't run again if he lost. Glitch McConnell and many others like him were getting to the point where they aren't going to physically be able to continue to stay in politics. 

Edited 3 hours ago by loveisdead9582

[alexrex]

3 hours ago, MattieB said:

He didn't even want to touch it 

Yet some LGBT+ people voted for him 

[Phaunzie]

Hoping for nothing but the worst for Miss Blaire White

[Illyboy]

omw to text this to my american online bestie who is trans

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[queenoftheclouds]

No education for Trans people?

[a_d_22]

1 hour ago, Démodé said:

I would like a candidate who's explicitly against genocide, pro-choice, pro-abolitionism, pro-reproductive rights, pro-trans, among other things.

 

Queer rights were in peril in specific states, even when Trump was not president. Abortion rights as well, and bodily autonomy rights in general. Apart from that, the Biden administration continuously defended ongoing genocides happening literally anywhere. 

 

I would never vote for Kamala (let alone endorse her) cause "she's no Trump". These are capitalist impasses, like I wrote on another post before.

This is exactly the problem with the way the far left has gone in this country. Acting morally superior and being on your high horse isn't ever going to work. This alienates normal people and makes them roll their eyes, so in turn you get people wanting to kill the woke agenda cause it goes too far.

[Communion]

46 minutes ago, loveisdead9582 said:

That said, there was a clear lesser evi

Liberal egoism is never being wrong and never needing reflection on how and why millions of people rejected your candidate, and then attacking the people who actually recognize the harm of Trump - and thus actually want to make sure something changes in how Dems continue to poorly pick their candidates to avoid perpetual Republican rule - as somehow either at fault or happy Republicans won or both.

 

Anyone who isn't ready to recognize that Sanders needed to be the nominee in 2020 truly can't offer anything of value to such conversations cause they've still not yet accepted that basic fundamental truth. 

 

Centrism failed. Leftists were crying for 4 years to please act before centrism failed. We're seeing the expose happen in real time that Biden was mentally impaired mere months into the job. We now have to live under Trump again for 4 more years and figure out how to never let centrism ruin an election the way centrists crashed on this one. 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, a_d_22 said:

This is exactly the problem with the way the far left

Exit polls literally show the opposite.

 

The winning candidate won because his voters believed he was gonna give them exactly what they wanted and had an actual agenda for them. 

 

The losing candidate saw a huge chunk of her voters not vote for her because they liked her and trusted her but voted for her because the other candidate was worse to them. This resulted in her bleeding millions of voters in deep blue states and losing key constituencies in important swing states who were upset over the status quo. Losing countless voters not to Trump but to the couch. 

 

Kamala losing proves in actuality that the American public are tired of settling for imperfect candidates and want to embrace radical candidates who are willing to give them an enemy to hate. Who speak to the anger they possess and have. People don't want to be placated - they want vengeance and to be vindicated. 

[nadiamendell]

9 hours ago, Blade Runner said:

Lefties couldn't be happier, I guess. They told us both sides are equally evil. 

This HILARIOUSLY bad take. Lefties had been telling you all since the beginning that Biden should step aside in 2024 to let an ACTUAL primary take place and let the people pick their candidate. We wanted a candidate that could actually win and knew that Biden was not that person. Instead, he stayed in (encouraged by delusional centrists like yourself) for as long as possible to do as much damage as possible and then we were forced to get behind a candidate that was the most unpopular vice president in modern history. And yet here you are, blaming this on leftists. 

[loveisdead9582]

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

Liberal egoism is never being wrong and never needing reflection on how and why millions of people rejected your candidate, and then attacking the people who actually recognize the harm of Trump - and thus actually want to make sure something changes in how Dems continue to poorly pick their candidates to avoid perpetual Republican rule - as somehow either at fault or happy Republicans won or both.

 

Anyone who isn't ready to recognize that Sanders needed to be the nominee in 2020 truly can't offer anything of value to such conversations cause they've still not yet accepted that basic fundamental truth. 

 

Centrism failed. Leftists were crying for 4 years to please act before centrism failed. We're seeing the expose happen in real time that Biden was mentally impaired mere months into the job. We now have to live under Trump again for 4 more years and figure out how to never let centrism ruin an election the way centrists crashed on this one. 

Once again, you have managed to take my words out of context. Literally one post up from the very small snippet you quoted I said "I don't think that many of us truly wanted Biden or Kamala to take office." Of the choices that we were forced to pick from, there was a lesser of two evils. 

[AvadaKedavra]

Heartbroken for all my transgender sistrens. I wonder how much time it will take for LGBTI rights to have some visibility again.  How many decades years.
But there's only one way for this and is to fight. Like our old lgtbti icons did. Fight back against opression. We are back to Point Zero but we can escalate.

If i were american i would be real upset with the democrats cause all their lazyness,stupidity got trump elected and now we are losing everything
And the crazy thing is how theyre still blaming minorities. Still trying with their scapegoating.
 

Edited 2 hours ago by AvadaKedavra

[a_d_22]

10 minutes ago, Communion said:

Exit polls literally show the opposite.

 

The winning candidate won because his voters believed he was gonna give them exactly what they wanted and had an actual agenda for them. 

 

The losing candidate saw a huge chunk of her voters not vote for her because they liked her and trusted her but voted for her because the other candidate was worse to them. This resulted in her bleeding millions of voters in deep blue states and losing key constituencies in important swing states who were upset over the status quo. Losing countless voters not to Trump but to the couch. 

 

Kamala losing proves in actuality that the American public are tired of settling for imperfect candidates and want to embrace radical candidates who are willing to give them an enemy to hate. Who speak to the anger they possess and have. People don't want to be placated - they want vengeance and to be vindicated. 

The reason Kamala lost is because most of the US is economically illiterate and think good business man = good for the economy even though he's a terrible businessman and his economic policies are terrible for a lot of the people who voted for him. If Kamala would've run on an anti-Israel platform and some of those far left ideals Trump would've won more than 400 electoral votes.

Edited 2 hours ago by a_d_22