news Insurance industry pressured DOJ to charge Luigi Mangione federally to deter copycats

[anti-bitch]

Dunno what to say about this topic, but the thread on LPSG dedicated to Luigi has 133 pages already. 

[Cesar]

27 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said:

Would I love to see politicians do something about homelessness? Of course but how long exactly will that take in Congress? 50 years? 100 years?
Like there's so many perpetually online people from rural bumble **** nowhere talking about "lets just provide mental services you guys! lets work together" like nah, stfu. Unless y'all have been stuck in a subway car with a half naked homeless person ranting and screaming at everyone or gotten mugged or chased by a homeless person in a city, literally stfu. 

I live in NYC, born & raised. I've experienced all of those scenerios. the Subway wasn't ALWAYS like this. Those homeless people are victims of the healthcare industry and capitalism as a whole. There are no adequate mental health services in the city. The homeless issue is caused by the 1%. 

[Cesar]

6 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said:

Over simplification and ignores how just a few weeks ago there ppl got stabbed to death by a homeless person in NYC. But sure oh no let's clutch our pearls in the meantime. When's the last time you got mugged or chased by a homeless person on the streets by the way?

Homeless is caused by what exactly? I empower you to think, and actually use empathy as to what drives people to become homeless.

[artc0cx]

Still amazed at how hot he is, the full body picture, average body hot face, thats how I liked them lord 

[americanlife]

I thought about it and I remembered my job's health insurance is United HealthCare. My prescription used to be fully covered under Medicaid. Ever since I've had that insurance, I have a copay. It was $55 one time, then I had to use good rx to get it for $30. So yeah, they had it coming.

[Communion]

This is why moral grandstanding about individual morals is nonsense. It is coming from no different of a place than the below. Someone's whiteness is not relevant when the victim was also white. Someone's malehood is not relevant when the victim is also a man. Someone's family being affluent is not relevant when the victim is a rich ceo with 50x the wealth. What's relevant is the material action of not having access to healthcare driving someone to commit murder. 

 

All guilty parties not wanting to talk about ABOLISHING INSURANCE and trying to essentialize individual realities are doing so to obscure the issue of our societal sickness at the hands of private insurance companies. 

 

 

 

[Virgos Groove]

Just now, RideOrDie said:

not the "let's not normalise violence/murder to change systems! otherwise we become targets!" do some of y'all hear what you are saying... were you listening your history class at school... have you ever picked up a history book... some of y'all forgetting we are animals, so continue being prey i guess...

And what's really funny is we've BEEN the targets. The ultra-rich have been waging class war and they're not stopping.

 

When they force you to pay exorbitant insurance and then refuse to pay when you need it, that's class war. When they lay you off and and then reward themselves with multimillion-euro bonuses, that's class war. When they back anti-immigration rethoric which allows them to economically exploit undocumented migrants more easily, that's class war.

[CoolNebraskaGuy]

My only sorrow regarding this sh*tshow is that I doubt anything meaningful will come of it. The public consciousness will move on soon enough and we will continue allowing ourselves to be ravaged by these corporations 

Edited December 10 by CoolNebraskaGuy

[Capris Groove]

It's a proven and incredibly well-known fact that violence and homicide rates go down the safer, more prosperous, and happy a society is. Switzerland, Iceland, Japan, Denmark, Norway.

 

America's leaders can afford to give the country universal healthcare like every other developed country has, and they choose not to, knowing that it will result in many people's deaths. And that is an act of murder.

Edited December 10 by Capris Groove

[RideOrDie]

1 minute ago, Virgos Groove said:

And what's really funny is we've BEEN the targets. The ultra-rich have been waging class war and they're not stopping.

 

When they force you to pay exorbitant insurance and then refuse to pay when you need it, that's class war. When they lay you off and and then reward themselves with multimillion-euro bonuses, that's class war. When they back anti-immigration rethoric which allows them to economically exploit undocumented migrants more easily, that's class war.

 

Just now, CoolNebraskaGuy said:

My only sorrow regarding this sh*tshow is that I doubt anything meaningful will come of this. The public consciousness will move on soon enough and we will continue allowing ourselves to be ravaged by these corporations 

this sad tea...

[CoolNebraskaGuy]

9 minutes ago, Communion said:

This is why moral grandstanding about individual morals is nonsense. It is coming from no different of a place than the below. Someone's whiteness is not relevant when the victim was also white. Someone's malehood is not relevant when the victim is also a man. Someone's family being affluent is not relevant when the victim is a rich ceo with 50x the wealth. What's relevant is the material action of not having access to healthcare driving someone to commit murder. 

 

All guilty parties not wanting to talk about ABOLISHING INSURANCE and trying to essentialize individual realities are doing so to obscure the issue of our societal sickness at the hands of private insurance companies. 

 

 

 

The rhetoric in that tweet is so cringe. This idea that only marginalized people should be given platforms, be listened to, or be praised for their actions is political poison. I'm saying that as a queer POC. Being on the left is the worst I swear to GOD  

 

 

 

 

Edited December 10 by CoolNebraskaGuy

[ClashAndBurn]

11 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said:

Over simplification and ignores how just a few weeks ago there ppl got stabbed to death by a homeless person in NYC. But sure oh no let's clutch our pearls in the meantime. When's the last time you got mugged or chased by a homeless person on the streets by the way?

You notably did not answer my question, so I will assume that yes, you don't view homeless people as human beings and that they deserve nothing more than to be treated as vermin that must be exterminated for your own personal comfort.

 

The real pearl clutchers are the city slickers like yourself that are blaming all of your cities' problems on the homeless while voting for NIMBY city council members that vote against affordable housing and homeless shelters being built in their communities out of fear that property values will go down. Instead, you'll get gentrification and luxury apartments approved that don't do anything for housing supply for the people that need it. And then you're surprised that the homelessness situation is only getting worse instead of better?  

 

I don't live in a city with robust public transportation either. But I don't need to to know that your cities' political trends that come from Dem voters and politicians only caring about identity politics and nothing else... don't set themselves up for longterm success.   

[Cesar]

12 minutes ago, Capris Groove said:

It's a proven and incredibly well-known fact that violence and homicide rates go down the safer, more prosperous, and happy a society is. Switzerland, Iceland, Japan, Denmark, Norway.

 

America's leaders can afford to give the country universal healthcare like every other developed country has, and they choose not to, knowing that it will result in many people's deaths. And that is an act of murder.

We need to talk about why they choosing to.

 

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/unitedhealth-group/summary?id=D000000348

 

United Healthcare lobbies and contributes to both corporate parties. Shocker, of course they will never give us Universal Healthcare.

 

[perfect blue]

48 minutes ago, CallumDavies said:

The rule of law is a principle that is applied to societies through a complex system of actors. Like all systems created and run by humans its messy, complicated and can sometimes lead to very bad outcomes, and often leads to consistently bad outcomes for certain groups. I think that is wrong. But, like all systems, can be improved.

 

Killing people to get your own way undermines your own position if you recognises that everyone should have equal protection under the law. If you don't think that then we hold different political and philosophical positions, and that's okay.

 

I want freedom and safety for the people I know and love, including my community and the places I grew up and lived in. That means I also believe we need to afford those rights to people I think are bad, including those who don't believe in my rights, security and welfare.

 

Murdering people in cold blood isn't okay.

Yeah, FYI everyone agrees that murder is bad. That's why we're glad that Luigi Mangione shined a spotlight on Brian Thompson, who systemically murdered thousands of Americans during his tenure as CEO. That is why the broader reaction to his death has been overwhelmingly apathetic if not celebratory.

 

Don't you understand that people are backed into a corner with no options other than violence? That they recognize that the law has abandoned the common people to protect and uphold mass murderers like Brian Thompson, which is why they are engaging in desperate acts of violence? Peaceful protests like Occupy Wall Street were helpful in spreading awareness but produced no material change. That was 15 years ago, and after a global pandemic millions are dead and the 1% have doubled their wealth while everyone else suffers.

[Virgos Groove]

And just one more thing: due to its internal problems, people tend to forget just how RICH America is. GDP per capita of 86k, good territory, lots of resources, you name it.

 

It's ridiculous that there is 3rd World-level poverty in the South and Apalachia. It's ridiculous that there are homeless tent camps in most major cities. It's ridiculous that the world's richest country can't deliver healthcare for its people. It's ridiculous that a city like New Orleans has a crime rate comparable to the worst of Mexican cartel-dominated towns. It's ridiculous that a country with a GDP per capita of 86k is #55 on the life expectancy index.

 

I live in a Western European country (the poorest of them, but still) and we have lots of the same problems: inequality, homelessness, you name it. Hell, people were still living like medieval peasants as late as the 80s. But even we can deliver a better standard of living than y'all. That's insane.

 

I don't write this to brag, but to remind American "It just can't be done!!!" centrists just how much your ruling class is ripping you off. You should be wearing clothes made out of myrrh and riding on high-speed trains covered in gold. That's how much wealth there is in your country*.

 

*Of course, a lot of that wealth is exploited from the Global South, but we can have that conversation in another time.

Edited December 10 by Virgos Groove

[BionicWooHoo]

14 minutes ago, Cesar said:

Homeless is caused by what exactly? I empower you to think, and actually use empathy as to what drives people to become homeless.

 

2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

You notably did not answer my question, so I will assume that yes, you don't view homeless people as human beings and that they deserve nothing more than to be treated as vermin that must be exterminated for your own personal comfort.

 

The real pearl clutchers are the city slickers like yourself that are blaming all of your cities' problems on the homeless while voting for NIMBY city council members that vote against affordable housing and homeless shelters being built in their communities out of fear that property values will go down. Instead, you'll get gentrification and luxury apartments approved that don't do anything for housing supply for the people that need it. And then you're surprised that the homelessness situation is only getting worse instead of better?  

 

I don't live in a city with robust public transportation either. But I don't need to to know that your cities' political trends that come from Dem voters and politicians only caring about identity politics and nothing else... don't set themselves up for longterm success.   

Yup and what exactly are people supposed to do in the meantime they wait for affordable housing to be built and wait for politicians to care about funding for mental health? You both are acting like I'm calling for the state-sanctioned killing of homeless people while offering ZERO actual real-time solutions for people being put into dangerous situations by said homeless people. The idea that Daniel Penney did exactly what needed to be done bc people like you have no actual solutions other than cry about mental health funding on the internet and the idea that homeless people shouldn't die are not mutually exclusive. 

Also lmao at you blaming Democrats for these issues. Yea because historically, red states have always done so well financially and never needed to be subsidized by blue ones. Please.

[artc0cx]

22 minutes ago, artc0cx said:

Still amazed at how hot he is, the full body picture, average body hot face, thats how I liked them lord 

Like id do anything for him in this picture

 

[Gui Blackout]

oh he's lame af

[Capris Groove]

Good Lord, and can we please stop acting as though people haven't fought for universal healthcare through every single other means? Golly gee, why didn't he just try protesting, or writing a letter to the president? Newsflash, people have. Strongly. Widely. For decades.

 

Your favourite presidential candidate Mrs. Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton, back when she was a lot more progressive, took this on headfirst in the 90s. She said universal healthcare now. She was arguably in the second most powerful position in the country to do so, and had a **** ton of Senate experience at this point. She was fought against so feverishly that she couldn't bring the issue up again for 7 years. Michael Moore tried to make a citizen's arrest for the Flint water crisis and couldn't. Hundreds of thousands of people have marched in every decade for it. It always gets shot down. That isn't fair democracy.

[Cesar]

1 minute ago, BionicWooHoo said:

 

Yup and what exactly are people supposed to do in the meantime they wait for affordable housing to be built and wait for politicians to care about funding for mental health? You both are acting like I'm calling for the state-sanctioned killing of homeless people while offering ZERO actual real-time solutions for people being put into dangerous situations by said homeless people. The idea that Daniel Penney did exactly what needed to be done bc people like you have no actual solutions other than cry about mental health funding on the internet and the idea that homeless people shouldn't die are not mutually exclusive. 

Also lmao at you blaming Democrats for these issues. Yea because historically, red states have always done so well financially and never needed to be subsidized by blue ones. Please.

You keep mentioning these issues but they all tie back to politicans being only interested in their corporate interests / donors. Democrats are very much too blame, as again you can see above they (& republicans) have no interest in providing universal healthcare since they. They can't even built provide adquate affordable housing, due to real estate lobbyists. 

 

This is not a blue and red issue. When they are both the different sides of the same coins. Homeless people aren't hurting you, Immigrants aren't hurting you. Stop the ignorance. 

[Cruel Summer]

That "manifesto" is so short and to-the-point. How fascinating.

[nadiamendell]

26 minutes ago, CoolNebraskaGuy said:

My only sorrow regarding this sh*tshow is that I doubt anything meaningful will come of it. The public consciousness will move on soon enough and we will continue allowing ourselves to be ravaged by these corporations 

It's sad, but true. The public will move on without some kind of real movement. He seems to have had good intentions, but the judge will likely throw the book at this guy and they'll try to make an example of him. Standing up to powerful forces is a dangerous game to play. 
 

It's been fun making memes, but in the end I feel bad for him. 

[BeenTheShit]

Mangione's attorney said: "I've seen zero evidence" that his client is the shooter. 

Edited December 10 by BeenTheShit

[GraceRandolph]

 

[Illyboy]

44 minutes ago, artc0cx said:

Still amazed at how hot he is, the full body picture, average body hot face, thats how I liked them lord 

full body picture? I believe I saw one in tv but would you mind sharing it here just to check if it's the same one?

👀

edit: nvm I saw you posted it later and it indeed is the same one that I saw

Edited December 10 by Illyboy